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Too long; didn't read.

I was at work though and didn't have 5 hours spare to read it.

I do love a man with a sense of humour....it was meant to be humorous wasn't it?

No idea why you feel it's necessary to be so daft. If it'd take you five hours to read a few paragraphs, a suggestion - maybe a chat with a neuro specialist? Is this a recent problem, must be murder when it comes to newspapers, let alone books. Hope you manage to find a cure, UTB
 



in a year cloughs changed the team a year ago to a totally new team Doyle apart , straddled the board changes , thats seen us gain a prince , lose him but retain his son in his stead, gone from being 35 million in debt to solvent and 21st staring div 2 in the face to top 6 , its hard tp maintain stability with so many changes up front and behind the scenes , but its not been boring,
 
He took over a strange squad he had to do some strange stuff
From the start of this season,it's all his squad,his decisions and his strange motives.He hasn't took over anything and will get judged more on this season than last season imo.
 
hes done what all managers do take a punt on players ,,, not all work out,

fergie remember bought taibi djemba djembs and anderson for big money , so not all players work out even at the top, and we are buying at Lidl


who was that player bought pre season for millions and sold before hed played , cant remember now.
we are 3 points off second with game in hand so its not that strange surely
we cant just say why havent we started like bristol city , they had a stable board and team for
longer
 
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I do love a man with a sense of humour....it was meant to be humorous wasn't it?

No idea why you feel it's necessary to be so daft. If it'd take you five hours to read a few paragraphs, a suggestion - maybe a chat with a neuro specialist? Is this a recent problem, must be murder when it comes to newspapers, let alone books. Hope you manage to find a cure, UTB

Bless you and your superiority complex. Unluckily, you really don't have a clue.

Keep believing though Champ. Remember, you're a god in your own household

/bow x
 
Bless you and your superiority complex. Unluckily, you really don't have a clue.

Keep believing though Champ. Remember, you're a god in your own household

/bow x

They do say that less is more....let's revise that shall we? Less is less, especially when you chose to be unnecessarily attritional and uninformative.

Born again atheist Pierre, no god complex in my igloo. It just strikes me that behaving like this achieves what exactly? Is life that frazzled that you have a need to kick out?
 
hes done what all managers do take a punt on players ,,, not all work out,

fergie remember bought taibi djemba djembs and anderson for big money , so not all players work out even at the top, and we are buying at Lidl


who was that player bought pre season for millions and sold before hed played , cant remember now.
we are 3 points off second with game in hand so its not that strange surely
we cant just say why havent we started like bristol city , they had a stable board and team for
longer
You don't seem to have read the thread properly,iv'e clearly stated i like Clough,but also like iv'e stated it doesn't change the fact that he's played players out of position and to me that's strange as i always think a manager should play players in their strongest position.

Where have i mentioned signings,you really are losing me.
 
you said it was his teams ergo his buys
how can you play a pro out of position ,,didnt arsene wenger play thierry henry out of position
its a squad game with 7 8 major ways of playing a system surely players now adays have to be flexible
if you play a diamond v one team but revert to 442 within a game to compete dont players have to move around

If any player can only play in one position these days , they are of little use
 
from a yeovil fan
“Sheffield United are a different side these days. Pass you to death. Long way away from the side we did over in the play offs. “

if only we that stand and watch it close up could see it
 
They do say that less is more....let's revise that shall we? Less is less, especially when you chose to be unnecessarily attritional and uninformative.

Born again atheist Pierre, no god complex in my igloo. It just strikes me that behaving like this achieves what exactly? Is life that frazzled that you have a need to kick out?

You don't want to be around him when he has a snooker ball, a sock and some H2S to play with.
 
You don't want to be around him when he has a snooker ball, a sock and some H2S to play with.

Bladesway, if I knew what H2S was I'd be able to comment, but as there's an absence of a smiley (you know, that thing always used to excuse the inexcusable) I'll assume you're alluding to violence or a threat.
 
Bladesway, if I knew what H2S was I'd be able to comment, but as there's an absence of a smiley (you know, that thing always used to excuse the inexcusable) I'll assume you're alluding to violence or a threat.

Twas a joke, you should always take my posts as such. I don't think posting a lot of words on a forum should make even the angriest poster threaten violence do you?

Oh and FWIW great OP.
 
I thought I'd write a some observations about SUFC under Nigel Clough. Appointed as manager just over a year ago, the club were in a dire position when Clough signed as manager, and we looked likely candidates for relegation to the lowest tier of the professional game. At that moment we were 21st in division one, things looked bleak after a terrible run of results under former manager David Weir.

Clough came in and his first task was to instil a more professional attitude amongst the players, most importantly to give them belief, but also to stop the slide that we were on. Very slowly this began, at a snail's pace to begin with, but bit by bit, United, under Clough, took one step at a time and started to move in the right direction up the division. One of the most positive changes to happen that season was the loan signing of Cardiff's John Brayford. Such was his impact that Brayford became the unofficial 'reason to believe' United fans had been deprived of. I can't recall a player making a greater impact on the fans, the players, the way we played etc, than Brayford. Affectionately named 'The Beard', Brayford was a class above anything we had at that time, or since, some might chip in, a point you won't find me disagreeing with. We also had the loanee Conor Coady, signed from Liverpool by the previous manager. Coady was initially a puzzle, almost like a fish out of water, but slowly the boy began to impose himself, becoming an integral part of Clough's plans.

Clough's management style was something we were getting used to. He saw potential where many fans turned their nose's up. In Murphy and Flynn, we had two players who had underwhelmed. Clough could see that they had far more to offer and he set about challenging them to stake a place in the team. The result of which was that we finally saw two moderate players blossom into two essential players. Well done Clough I say. Then there was the team bogeyman, Michael Doyle. I was one of many who couldn't fathom why Doyle was a regular week in, week out. But Nigel saw what other managers saw, and played Doyle regularly. The good thing is, that under Clough, Doyle has managed to remove the status of club misfit and become a player we can all respect and realise what value he brings to the team, at least on this level.

That season became one of promise. Ultimately unfulfilled promise, but what it showed was that in Nigel Clough we had a manager who could galvanise the team and thus the supporters. We had the mother of FA Cup runs, being beaten in the semi-final, but far from disgraced. What a run we had in the cup that season! We went to Villa, it was already written that we were meant to lose. Oh yeah? Tell that to the six thousand Unitedites who travelled that day. Even the Villa fans were generous enough to say we were the best set of travelling fans they had seen. Oh, there was the small question of the game we were meant to lose.....we met blow for blow, we outplayed 'em, and who can forget Flynn's killer goal? There was the game against Nottingham Forest at t'Lane, did we play well or what?!? Then we popped down to Fulham for a replay, with many of our 'bredren' thinking that all good things must come to an end. Jeez, a game in which we took the scalp of another team from the Premiership, and were we on a roll!?!? After the gloom of almost diving into relegation suicide, here we were, playing as if we were capable of facing anyone, and what a feeling that season created in everyone. Ok, we were never, realistically, going to get promotion, it was just too late for that to happen. But what a rollercoaster we were on, and it was a sign of a club who had been in the doldrums for far too long, suddenly realising what this club was capable of. I'm not talking about European cups, but our ability to compete in domestic competitions. We had regained the pride that had been allowed to fall by the wayside, and it felt fantastic.

So, fast-forwarding to this season, and expectations were understandably high. Perhaps we should have aimed a little lower, but after last season, and the new regime in control of the club, who could blame anyone for looking forward with ambition? Up until now it's been a strange, at times unsettling season. Frustration and disappointment have raised their heads more than once, and a few of our supporters have asked questions of Clough's suitability to take this club forward. My response to that is.....heresy. Not because I see only good in our manager, no, he's fallible, but then he's human. Here's something to remember, Alex Ferguson got rid of Jaap Stam, a colossus of a defender, and as integral as a player could be at that time. But Ferguson felt betrayed by Stam over a disclosure in a book and it was the end of Stam's career at Old Trafford. Rightly or wrongly, that was Ferguson's style of management. It sent out a clear message, and it gets respect and fear in equal proportions from those who play for him. If that's what it takes then so be it. I should add that Ferguson was a lucky so and so. He managed a great club, had resources to burn, and knew, that if necessary, he could go and buy another centre half to replace Stam. Which brings me onto our manager. What I see in Nigel is the same determination his dad had. You wouldn't want to cross Nigel's path that's for sure, and we should realise that in his hands this club is moving forward.

From languishing in 21st position to currently rising to 6th, in just over a year, with significant personnel changes, boardroom changes, and the hint that United might just be on the cusp of doing more than simply talking about being successful, United have made significant improvement all round. There are over 30 games still to be played, and to paraphrase Clough, if we're in the top group around xmas he'll be happy knowing we can kick on from there. Those are the words of a grounded, determined man. Clough is someone who knows the difficulties that surround managing a club, especially a club like United where it doesn't take much for the baying pack to let it be known that they're not happy. I must add, that discontent has more than a shred of substance. We've been mismanaged, had no serious leadership, and never really promised to deliver in a timescale that I dare not admit too. The fact is we're a club with an infrastructure that flatters to deceive, but the most important factor, the team, is well below the standards of everything else that this club represents. Some of our fans still cannot grasp this fact, because that is what it is, a fact, not an interpretation. But none of this is Clough's fault. He's here to address the everyday problems that hopefully will lead onto success in a higher division. He wants this as much as anyone, so don't let that cynic standing next to you turn your thoughts with tales of doom and gloom. Clough knows his job, far more I'd add than the merchant of gloom who can't see the wood for the trees.

You can bet your bottom dollar that we'll see highs and lows before the season ends. Promotion is the only thing that matters, we know it, but so does Clough. Nigel has and will make mistakes. Anyone who imagines it will be an easy path ahead of us is fooling themselves. What Clough is, I'm convinced, is a man who doesn't need to be told twice. That's a good talent in my book. Make your mistake and then move on, wiser and better for the experience. He's robust, and so should we be. Once we're in the Championship I expect anywhere between 2-4 seasons as we learn to adjust. Maybe too slow for some, but I'd rather we had a solid foundation as we make a concerted drive for promotion to the Premiership.

My one, final, observation is with the supporters of this club. We can be a miserable bunch of bollock heads at times, but what I do know is that even the chief flag wavers for the miserablists is as passionate as anyone else. And it's this passion that unites us. Last night we had over 19 and a quarter thousand inside the ground, on a miserable Tuesday night. That's over a thousand more than QPR had at Loftus Road last Sunday against Liverpool! Think about that, a Sunday match, at home, and against the scousers, and they couldn't top the number we attracted last night. A division separates us from the 'R's' but we're still a bigger club in principal than they could hope to be.

So lads and lasses, miserablists and optimists, and that select bunch of realists that I count myself amongst, let's keep focussed, I sometimes think we underestimate our worth to what happens at this great club.....oh, and well done Cloughie UTB!
great post my use of words arnt to your standard but i agree totally with you we just need a bit of patience and nigel
will get us there like his dad he"s the gaffer and lets the players know it !!
 
great post my use of words arnt to your standard but i agree totally with you we just need a bit of patience and nigel
will get us there like his dad he"s the gaffer and lets the players know it !!

Think we'll need to squeeze our fingers really tight finlay, a bit of luck should never be sniffed at mate.

Thanks for your post, and let's hope that this time next season we're in the Championship UTB
 



'Kin 'ell Alf
I started after tea and only just finished now at 21:34
Now I need a lie down

Young Ken, at least you persevered....mind you, it was only a few paragraphs. Since Monday I've read a 90 page book and I'm a quarter way through something almost the same length, but then I always did have talent for page turning.

Hope you have a good kip mate UTB
 
you said it was his teams ergo his buys
how can you play a pro out of position ,,didnt arsene wenger play thierry henry out of position
its a squad game with 7 8 major ways of playing a system surely players now adays have to be flexible
if you play a diamond v one team but revert to 442 within a game to compete dont players have to move around

If any player can only play in one position these days , they are of little use
You've lost me.What you're saying has nothing to do with what iv'e said on this thread,but if it makes you feel any better it's been a perfect start and Clough has done nothing wrong what so ever:rolleyes:ffs.It's like having a chat with my 6 year old daughter.
 
Dostoyevsky himself could not have put it better.

He might have used fewer words, though....
 
from a yeovil fan
Sheffield United are a different side these days. Pass you to death. Long way away from the side we did over in the play offs. “

if only we that stand and watch it close up could see it

Music to my ears! Football's coming 'ome.
 
Dostoyevsky himself could not have put it better.

He might have used fewer words, though....

Some words are lonely mate, a lack of use will see them wither away and we'll forget they ever existed.

Seriously, I know it stated the obvious, but sometimes I find we go round and round, we focus on who's at CH, or why is so and so on the bench (all things we'll never discover the real reasons behind), and this minutiae becomes the focus, rather than attempting to grasp the underlying foundations that make everything possible.

I know having a naturally upbeat approach to most things can bring about a clamour that sings an off-key refrain of clapper, whatever that is, but I'm a long way from being uncritical. I doubt we have too many mugs amongst us, but the lack of relative success has been wearing for everyone, hence our current state. It's a people game, and we've not always appointed well. Supporting this, the decisions from on high have also lacked the necessary foresight. But we're where we are, there's a reason behind all of this, so let's try and crack on, appreciate the manager we have, and see if our current decent position sets us up for an assault on the promotion places between now and the end of the season.
 
You've lost me.What you're saying has nothing to do with what iv'e said on this thread,but if it makes you feel any better it's been a perfect start and Clough has done nothing wrong what so ever:rolleyes:ffs.It's like having a chat with my 6 year old daughter.

all managers get things wrong I said that , butlers not worked out , but I was just saying all incoming players are punts at our level , the general movement has been forward , the fact is blades fans expect it to be instantaneous , soley on the fact we get bigger gates r were in the prem for one season in the last twenty years season, we have to face up to the fact Clough inherited a very downbeat poor league one team, he didnt get any quality left to him
 
Good OP and good thread. Nice to read a thread about what should be our primary concern Sheffield United FC and not contaminated by the thing that seems to dominate this forum and every thread of late. As a club we have progressed in the last 12 months or so but we do need to get out of this division sooner rather than later - something I think everyone at the Lane knows, NC most of all because he won't be given 5 years to get us out.

To be fair NC has had to deal with the consequences of some of the cock-ups in the summer transfer market - partly down to him, partly to others- (the way the sale of HM1 was handled, 3 missed signings on deadline day, the inherited injury to Wallace, the Derby affair, the Butler fiasco, resigning Porter and the ridiculously unfit state Higdon turned up in) and this may have affected some of the team selections which have, at times, appeared a bit wacky.and as if NC did not know his best side or is a bit of a moody bugger if someone pee's him off.

It would be nice if, after the January transfer window, we were able to say "wow, we turned our effectiveness in the transfer market around" - but at the moment I would say it is the weakest part of SUFC under NC (to be fair United's transfer dealings have been poor for a good while before NC came). I say this not to have a go at him or to slag off all the signings, but simply to suggest that this is the area we need to improve most in to move forward as a club, especially as we are told we no longer need to sell to stay afloat.

NC's strongest suit, in my opinion, is that he is a good "3 wheels on my wagon" manager and is good at making do with what he has got and getting a performance out of an imperfect side. Last season is testament to that.

I remain optimistic that NC will deliver and get us out of this division. UTB
 
all managers get things wrong I said that , butlers not worked out , but I was just saying all incoming players are punts at our level , the general movement has been forward , the fact is blades fans expect it to be instantaneous , soley on the fact we get bigger gates r were in the prem for one season in the last twenty years season, we have to face up to the fact Clough inherited a very downbeat poor league one team, he didnt get any quality left to him
So am i right in thinking your making generalisations on blades fans in general and not me then,because iv'e never once said something will happen instantaneously

I'm talking about Clough from the start of this season,this is the season that counts,last season is history and it's this season he will get judged better on imo as this season is ALL his squad,whether anyone is still here from last season or not.ALL the decisions he makes this season are all down to him,the book stops there.

And just for you i'll take you back in the thread to this post
You've got to admit he has played players in their wrong positions for no APPARENT reason and this is what i was mainly getting at,but like i say,hopefully this is all done and dusted now and just turns into old news that never concerned any of us:)
Do you really think that i hate Clough and think he's a shite manager?

This was the first post you replied to of mine.
He took over a strange squad he had to do some strange stuff
He didn't take over a strange squad at all,he took over a mediocre one that SHOULDN'T have been in the bottom four imo,but was there down to poor management from Weir.He also didn't have to do any strange stuff either when he took over,he just had to get the basics right and build a solid foundation from the back to get the team moving in the right direction and Cloughy did that brilliantly.

You kept referring to the word strange! I wrote that because i thought it was the right word to put when Clough at the start of THIS season was playing players out of position when we allready had players who could play there,i haven't imagined it all have i?You my friend have took strange to another level.

Oh and btw,i liked itsinyerblood 's post as believe it or not,i like Clough,but that won't stop me questioning some of his decisions if i feel the need to.He certainly hasn't done everything by textbook,but tbh,i propably wouldn't have it any other way,that would be boring.
 
My one, final, observation is with the supporters of this club. We can be a miserable bunch of bollock heads at times, but what I do know is that even the chief flag wavers for the miserablists is as passionate as anyone else. And it's this passion that unites us. Last night we had over 19 and a quarter thousand inside the ground, on a miserable Tuesday night. That's over a thousand more than QPR had at Loftus Road last Sunday against Liverpool! Think about that, a Sunday match, at home, and against the scousers, and they couldn't top the number we attracted last night. A division separates us from the 'R's' but we're still a bigger club in principal than they could hope to be.

So lads and lasses, miserablists and optimists, and that select bunch of realists that I count myself amongst, let's keep focussed, I sometimes think we underestimate our worth to what happens at this great club.....oh, and well done Cloughie UTB!


Good OP, but a little unfair on QPR. Their capacity is less than 18,500 so if they got a thousand less than us it would suggest they had a capacity crowd.
 
Good OP, but a little unfair on QPR. Their capacity is less than 18,500 so if they got a thousand less than us it would suggest they had a capacity crowd.

That's a fair comment. I suppose it would have been more constructive to comment on the fact that a 4-seasons-on-the-trot division one side can attract over 19K on a damp Tuesday night. That's pretty amazing in my book, and although it's not fair to over-egg this example, I would suggest that it points towards a larger support as we climb the divisions.
 
That's a fair comment. I suppose it would have been more constructive to comment on the fact that a 4-seasons-on-the-trot division one side can attract over 19K on a damp Tuesday night. That's pretty amazing in my book, and although it's not fair to over-egg this example, I would suggest that it points towards a larger support as we climb the divisions.


I agree our attendances are remarkable, especially if you think back to that memorable 2002-3 season when we reached two cup semi finals and a play off final in a higher division. Our average attendance for that season was only just over 18,000. We have at least improved in some areas since then. Just need to improve in the most important area - on the pitch!
 



That's a fair comment. I suppose it would have been more constructive to comment on the fact that a 4-seasons-on-the-trot division one side can attract over 19K on a damp Tuesday night. That's pretty amazing in my book, and although it's not fair to over-egg this example, I would suggest that it points towards a larger support as we climb the divisions.
They will have to extend the ground by the time we get into the Champions league:D
 

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