Pre-season

[bertieblade]

Hopefully we start off fitter, with a plan to use the ball quicker, get beyond the opposition, use midfield players who have a chance of dominating the opposition, use two wide men who change wings to get past the opposition on the inside and outside and take the game to the opposition to dictate to them. Anything else is a bonus.

COYRWW

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

First Confirmed Fixture

An XI going to Hallam on 21 July

Will it be streamed?

 

[Torrix1889]

Every team would have done a lot better if they'd held on to every lead they had. If anyone's spinning it's you by including the losses under Selles to claim that Wilder had a worse record than he did.

This is a thread about pre-season. Please don't hijack it. There are plenty other threads where you can post your dubious stats.

I haven't included Selles' stats at all.

No hijacking here, the thread is about pre season and what a difference a high tempo approach could have made to a technical one. You obviously don't like reading what are facts and truth!

Stats are stats, they are not dubious at all, it just depends what way you want to spin things. We lost more games from a winning position then anyone else in the division, all under Wilders watch.

Yes, we started horrifically badly under Selles, but that was for 5 league games, your hero Wilder had 41 games after that to make things right but the football we were subjected to was dross, the team selections at times were baffling and the in game changes bizarre.

Take your Wilder tinted glasses off for a second

 

[Dkc]

I haven't included Selles' stats at all.

Take your Wilder tinted glasses off for a second

....what we do know was the fact that we a) lost more games than any other team in the championship last year, (bar the Pigs)

Most of that under Wilders watch. That's not all down to pre-season and 5 games under the inept Selles....

That last stat you mention is totally down to Selles. Remove those five league games from the equation and we end the season on a respectable 17 losses, same as Derby and better than most.

Okay there is no guarantee that Wilder wouldn't have lost a couple of early games but I doubt anyone thinks he would have lost six in a row.

Everyone acknowledges that our defence looked shaky this season and dropping points from winning positions has been a concern. There's no hiding that. But if you look at Wilder's overall record on preserving a lead it's decent.

Even without 'Wilder-tinted glasses' it's hard to argue that last season was as catastrophic as some are making out. If Wilder's 1.46 PPG average had been sustained over the full season, we would have finished on 67 points. Given the shambles he inherited that is a decent achievement.

 

[jt64]

When Wilder replaced Selles we were bottom of the league on zero points. After Wilder took over we gained 60 points and finished mid-table. We'd probably have made the playoffs if we hadn't had such an appalling start.

Yeah, I guess if we did beat three of the top 5, rather than lose as you would expect a mid table team to do, we might have finished higher up. But this concept that someone else other than Selles would have magically got more than 3-4 points out of a horrifically tough start is hilarious

 

[prince albert]

I haven't included Selles' stats at all.

No hijacking here, the thread is about pre season and what a difference a high tempo approach could have made to a technical one. You obviously don't like reading what are facts and truth!

Stats are stats, they are not dubious at all, it just depends what way you want to spin things. We lost more games from a winning position then anyone else in the division, all under Wilders watch.

Yes, we started horrifically badly under Selles, but that was for 5 league games, your hero Wilder had 41 games after that to make things right but the football we were subjected to was dross, the team selections at times were baffling and the in game changes bizarre.

Take your Wilder tinted glasses off for a second

But this thread has been hijacked, it was primarily about a pre-season piss up and someone has brought football into it.

 

[Torrix1889]

That last stat you mention is totally down to Selles. Remove those five league games from the equation and we end the season on a respectable 17 losses, same as Derby and better than most.

Okay there is no guarantee that Wilder wouldn't have lost a couple of early games but I doubt anyone thinks he would have lost six in a row.

Everyone acknowledges that our defence looked shaky this season and dropping points from winning positions has been a concern. There's no hiding that. But if you look at Wilder's overall record on preserving a lead it's decent.

Even without 'Wilder-tinted glasses' it's hard to argue that last season was as catastrophic as some are making out. If Wilder's 1.46 PPG average had been sustained over the full season, we would have finished on 67 points. Given the shambles he inherited that is a decent achievement.

You state "Wilders overall record on preserving a lead is decent"

How do you come to that? Again we lost more points from a winning position than any other team in the division. Please quantify that for last season?

 

[Dkc]

You state "Wilders overall record on preserving a lead is decent"

How do you come to that? Again we lost more points from a winning position than any other team in the division. Please quantify that for last season?

I said overall record

 

[Old Programme seller]

That last stat you mention is totally down to Selles. Remove those five league games from the equation and we end the season on a respectable 17 losses, same as Derby and better than most.

Okay there is no guarantee that Wilder wouldn't have lost a couple of early games but I doubt anyone thinks he would have lost six in a row.

Everyone acknowledges that our defence looked shaky this season and dropping points from winning positions has been a concern. There's no hiding that. But if you look at Wilder's overall record on preserving a lead it's decent.

Even without 'Wilder-tinted glasses' it's hard to argue that last season was as catastrophic as some are making out. If Wilder's 1.46 PPG average had been sustained over the full season, we would have finished on 67 points. Given the shambles he inherited that is a decent achievement.

Perhaps the recruitment would have been better so it’s not exactly like for like I do think that if CW had been left in charge we’d have been in the play offs but also if we’d have chosen a better manager we could have been in the play offs or better.

 

[Dkc]

if we’d have chosen a better manager we could have been in the play offs or better.

No shit. I was really hoping that man was Selles. Everyone was hoping he succeeded. I can remember the optimism when we kicked off against Bristol City.

Actually he's probably back in his home town of Valencia now after being sacked by Zaragoza. If we come over this summer Wilder could take him for a pint.

 

[Nick Jansky]

Trouble is, with a couple of them and one in particular it is not moderate drinking

A long standing issue at the club, also a major part of why the team imploded so spectacularly following the covid lockdowns. Still, culture innit.

 

[Bartleby]

Name names!

interesting. Is it correlated with minutes the player can manage on the pitch perchance?

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

Under Wilder we had 17 losses. Same as Derby who just missed out on the playoffs. And better than most teams in the Championship.

That's a bogus comparison.

Derby had 17 losses in total but they lost two of their first five games.

So they lost two games fewer than we did under Wilder.