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chesblade said:
West ham and Leeds interested apparently, hoping to get at a cut down price
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I just don't see how he fits into any Premier league team if I'm honest.
The first time he avoids a tackle, let's a man jog past him, or gives a lazy free kick away at the edge of his box and he'll be on the bench for the rest of the season.
 
bertieblade said:
Everyone hopes to buy players at a cut price but why should we sell for less than we think he is worth? He has at least two years on his contract, is getting better and is one of a number of players of value which means that we cannot be forced to sell.
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Gus?
 
Good point Got him Mixed up with Sydie
Whilst ever we have a number of clubs interested we can try to drive the price of Hamer up, but doubt we will get more than £6m abd he will be a bargain for that
 
Love it when he breaks the one dimensional chokehold of Wilder’s tactics and twats it from the edge of the area. That’s what we’re going to miss.
 
Kozzy_is_my_Dad said:
Let's be honest, it will be back to Cov (if remaining in the UK is possible due to personal circumstances) or a move to Holland, if not.


This is the system I would like to see. I know we won't and I know we have no say, but still.

I can't help but think that we've missed a trick in recruiting to a formation that includes:

Cooper

Seriki Tanganga An actual good centre half Burrows

Athletic CM x 3

O'Hare, Hamer

Bamford

That way, you get the press and chance creation and natural linkups of Hamer and O'Hare, a supply line for Bamford (and which could also rejuvenate Campbell), you get legs in midfield, and that gives you some licence to get some form, attacking and confidence into the WBs for width. We also need a serious CB option to settle Tanganga down and get Burrows back to form.
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I think k we've seen this season that Burrows is I capable of playing LB without a really strong LCB and LW who tracks back. Your system above seems to lack both.

Personally i think Burrows should be playing LW/LH or LCM. He's too good a footballer not to be in our XI but he's not a good enough defender/doesn't want to defend to play as a LB.

We'd look exponentially better with McCallum as LB, Burrows as LW and Gus as a No 10. The fact we have never seen this is a reflection of Wilder as a coach in this third stint. I'd like to bet Wilder MkI tries this formation...
 
3Cheers4Ramirez said:
He's only a LB for me, but needs the right players around him to cover
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So he cannot fulfill the basic requirements of being a full back , I.e tackle so we put guys round him who can do his job and theirs.
The guy is a wide left midfield player, in the mould of Ian jock Bryson, buys half a yard and puts good balls into the box.
He is very similar to Seriki, who is another full back who cannot defend but is better creating in the opposition half, although he has the added advantage of pace to get beyond players.
 
bertieblade said:
So he cannot fulfill the basic requirements of being a full back , I.e tackle so we put guys round him who can do his job and theirs.
The guy is a wide left midfield player, in the mould of Ian jock Bryson, buys half a yard and puts good balls into the box.
He is very similar to Seriki, who is another full back who cannot defend but is better creating in the opposition half, although he has the added advantage of pace to get beyond players.
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Totally agree. My lad plays full back to a decent level at U14's and the basics such as holding shape, not being too far from your CB, knowing what's behind you at all times, never allowing the cross - Burrows does none of these.

Disagree on Seriki though. I think he's a much better defender than he gets credit for - he's just knackered after a long season.
 
Seriki, rarely shows any of the opposition one way or the other, as he stands square on when they attack him and the goal that we conceded on Saturday was indicative of his inability to cover , anticipate and pick people up as his positional awareness is terrible. Hopefully it is something that he can work on, as he has strength, touch and pace to enable him to go a long way
 
chesblade said:
West ham and Leeds interested apparently, hoping to get at a cut down price
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Completely doesn't fit the recruitment style of either of them so I'm assuming this is just extremely lazy paper talk
 
bertieblade said:
Everyone hopes to buy players at a cut price but why should we sell for less than we think he is worth? He has at least two years on his contract, is getting better and is one of a number of players of value which means that we cannot be forced to sell.
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His initial contract was until June 2027 and I have seen no indication that he has signed an extension at any point. So he has one year left. Much to people's surprise, nobody is ever forced to sell anybody (barring the obvious such as having a release clause in your contract), despite what people might say in that we were "forced" to sell Ndiaye, but if we can get a fair chunk more than what is left on his registration (which is roughly four million), or even roughly that amount, we should likely cash out, given that even with Hamer we are nowhere near a promotion run next season and without Hamer we're nowhere near a relegation level squad. There is no scenario where the amount of added value Hamer generates next season is anywhere near what is lost when the remainder of his contract expires (oddly, the exact opposite of the Ndiaye situation).
 



jt64 said:
His initial contract was until June 2027 and I have seen no indication that he has signed an extension at any point. So he has one year left. Much to people's surprise, nobody is ever forced to sell anybody (barring the obvious such as having a release clause in your contract), despite what people might say in that we were "forced" to sell Ndiaye, but if we can get a fair chunk more than what is left on his registration (which is roughly four million), or even roughly that amount, we should likely cash out, given that even with Hamer we are nowhere near a promotion run next season and without Hamer we're nowhere near a relegation level squad. There is no scenario where the amount of added value Hamer generates next season is anywhere near what is lost when the remainder of his contract expires (oddly, the exact opposite of the Ndiaye situation).
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Err , I have already admitted I got him mixed up with Sydie
 
bertieblade said:
So he cannot fulfill the basic requirements of being a full back , I.e tackle so we put guys round him who can do his job and theirs.
The guy is a wide left midfield player, in the mould of Ian jock Bryson, buys half a yard and puts good balls into the box.
He is very similar to Seriki, who is another full back who cannot defend but is better creating in the opposition half, although he has the added advantage of pace to get beyond players.
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Burrows never makes himself half a yard though, he is totally reliant on being played in and arriving later

Full backs like this don't get started as a winger because they're shit in that position
 
A couple of observations (everyone is entitled to their opinion):

- an attacking midfielder who contributes over 0.6 goal contributions per game in a struggling team, whilst arguably being played out of position, is exceptional.

- you attack and defend as a team. Burrows has been weak defensively many times this season, but he played all 24/25 with Hamer in front of him, and we got 92 points and pre-Souttar’s injury, had a water tight defence. And his crossing and occasional goal are key parts of our team dynamic. McCallum, when fit, has looked good, but I wouldn’t write off Burrows just yet. I would be more interested in how we fill the huge physical gaps in central defence and midfield since Souttar and Souza went.
 
Coolblade said:
A couple of observations (everyone is entitled to their opinion):

- an attacking midfielder who contributes over 0.6 goal contributions per game in a struggling team, whilst arguably being played out of position, is exceptional.

- you attack and defend as a team. Burrows has been weak defensively many times this season, but he played all 24/25 with Hamer in front of him, and we got 92 points and pre-Souttar’s injury, had a water tight defence. And his crossing and occasional goal are key parts of our team dynamic. McCallum, when fit, has looked good, but I wouldn’t write off Burrows just yet. I would be more interested in how we fill the huge physical gaps in central defence and midfield since Souttar and Souza went.
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Burrows, McCallum, & Seriki will be our flying overlapping wingbacks next season, mark my words, we'll go three at the back plus wingbacks, it's the Wilder way
 
What a player he would be if he really had a crack at getting himself fit and firing
 
MayorOJC said:
Done some digging into the stats this season to see just how impactful Gus has been, and how we can even start to think about replacing him. For the record, not a Hamer hater - I like him a lot.

As our main creative threat, let's see how he does compared to all Championship players at chance creation (per 90):

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Unsurprisingly, fourth highest chances created per 90, up there with some of the league's finest in Scienza, Hackney, Clarke and James. Ouch, this could be expensive to replace.

But what if some players on this list take all their teams' set pieces? That could artificially inflate stats such as chance creation and assists, making them seem more threatening in-play that they actually are. Let's look at chance creation (per 90) excluding set pieces:

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Don't squint too hard, he really isn't there. Take away corners and free kicks from everyone, and Gus Hamer is not in the top 50 Championship chance creators (he landed at #65).

Of the 2.3 chances he creates per 90, 61% are from set pieces! Only a handful of players in the league have that ratio or higher (Matty James, Doughty, De Keersmaecker and Cantwell).

This is a good thing. It is significantly cheaper and easier to replace a set-piece taker than an open-play creator. We already have two set-piece specialists at the club in Rothwell and Burrows.


Any standouts in the Championship?
I'm not going to look at just chance creation for this. I'll be using an index that takes 9 attributes (including open play chances, cross accuracy, progressive carries, total defensive actions and non-penalty goals vs. xG.).

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No surprise to see Clarke, Azeez, Scienza, Thomas and Roberts in the top 10. Hello Femi and Ogbene.

In terms of who could potentially be available in summer? Wes Burns still has it at 31 years old and is coming to the end of his contract - but that may be extended. Mohamed Belloumi at Hull has had injury problems - but don't be surprised if he tears up the league next year if fit. Divine Mukasa is going to have a fantastic career. More of a number 10 than a wide player - but I'd love to see us push for him on loan next season. Ryan Alebiosu at Blackburn ironically impressed a lot on here with how well he managed Hamer defensively. Bit further down, but Adam Idah has strong creative stats despite not scoring many as Swansea's centre forward. He looks more like a wide forward to me. Lewis Dobbin has some positive attributes, but misses out on this list mainly due to often playing as a CF.

Here's the same for League One. Previously linked Reyes Cleary and Brighton (via Bolton)'s Amario Cozier-Duberry are the standouts, excluding promoted players. Might be worth looking at Huddersfield's young Cameron Ashia, although he is perhaps a bit rawer than the two above.

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Personally, I think there's significantly better value abroad. Follow the Norwich model - everyone in England will rip us off. Can see if there's any interesting options for replacing Peck or McGuinness if there's interest.

Data taken from https://footverse-v2.streamlit.app , which uses Opta as its source. Not affiliated by me.
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Linked today with Cameron Ashia from my list. Would take him as a cheap punt with potential resale value - but definitely not a Championship first-team player at his current level.

Belloumi getting his POTY campaign started early in the play off semi.
 
IdLiketoRogerMoore said:
I think k we've seen this season that Burrows is I capable of playing LB without a really strong LCB and LW who tracks back. Your system above seems to lack both.

Personally i think Burrows should be playing LW/LH or LCM. He's too good a footballer not to be in our XI but he's not a good enough defender/doesn't want to defend to play as a LB.

We'd look exponentially better with McCallum as LB, Burrows as LW and Gus as a No 10. The fact we have never seen this is a reflection of Wilder as a coach in this third stint. I'd like to bet Wilder MkI tries this formation...
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Why do fans keep putting wing backs on the wing as a winger.
Its is a different skill set and wing backs have the advantage of attacking a retreating team.Wingers have the problem of attacking from mostly negative positions so pace and trickery is vital and most fullback don't have that .
We have tried it a few times in my time as a Blade going right back to Len Badger who was a skillfull fullback but not a winger.
 
finlaytheblade said:
Why do fans keep putting wing backs on the wing as a winger.
Its is a different skill set and wing backs have the advantage of attacking a retreating team.Wingers have the problem of attacking from mostly negative positions so pace and trickery is vital and most fullback don't have that .
We have tried it a few times in my time as a Blade going right back to Len Badger who was a skillfull fullback but not a winger.
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I think Burrows has shown enough technical ability to play other positions. He played a couple of games in centre midfield last season, and although didn't do great, based on what we've seen this season he was no worse than 2026 Arblaster and most of Rothwells appearances...

I think it's a very narrow-minded view to think a player cant play other positions. Based on your logic because Len Badger didn't work a thousand years ago, we should stop experimenting. It's not like we are endowed with great players and McCallum is a better LB than Burrows. I'd rather Tufty earned his money and found a way of getting the best players on the pitch then we had a very binary outlook.

In terms of Burrows being a 'winger' I'd argue he's more of an old school LH in the same mould of a Beckham. He had a semi-decent career despite never having the pace or skills to run past a FB....

Like I say, it's a very binary mindset to have, and with our budget next season, we need to find creative ways to get our best players on the pitch.
 
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IdLiketoRogerMoore said:
I think Burrows has shown enough technical ability to play other positions. He played a couple of games in centre midfield last season, and although didn't do great, based on what we've seen this season he was no worse than 2026 Arblaster and most of Rothwells appearances...

I think it's a very narrow-minded view to think a player cant play other positions. Based on your logic because Len Badger didn't work a thousand years ago, we should stop experiencing. It's not like we are endowed with great players and McCallum is a better LB than Burrows. I'd rather Tufty earned his money and found a way of getting the best players on the pitch then we had a very binary outlook.

In terms of Burrows being a 'winger' I'd argue he's more of an old school LH in the same mould of a Beckham. He had a semi-decent career despite never having the pace or skills to run past a FB....

Like I say, it's a very binary mindset to have, and with our budget next season, we need to find creative ways to get our best players on the pitch.
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Stockport just played their centre-forward at centre-back in a play-off semi, so anything is possible.
 
MayorOJC said:
Stockport just played their centre-forward at centre-back in a play-off semi, so anything is possible.
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I still stand by my idea that Bogle could have been a brilliant box to box centre midfielders, and it's a hill I'm prepared to die on!!

Amuses me that my boy plays to a high level and the higher he goes the more coaches are keen for young lads to play multiple positions! So we're supposed to believe once they turn pro they can no longer move positions?!?!
 



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