Time to look towards 26/27

[CarlMcBlade]

what has Seriki done to be punished?

Have I missed something. He strikes me as a very serious and ambitious young man

Absolutely nothing. He is our most effective player going forward, the only one that runs at defences and tries to get past them.
Why was the lad on the bench if he was fit enough to play?

 

[I should coco]

Great response, how’s about you reply to the rest of the message?

I couldn't read past the first bit of lunacy.

 

[Kenworthy’s Tash]

I think an essential prerequisite to even contemplating a replacement manager is to appoint someone at board level with a track record of identifying and recruiting unproven coaching talent.

Clubs like Brighton, Bournemouth, even Swansea have a track record of repeatedly doing so. We certainly do not.

It's entirely understandable that much of our fan base leans towards a known quantity. Why would anyone trust the current incumbents to roll the dice again?

Won’t happen anyway, the accountant Bettis has way too much influence and will block any attempt to water down his power, or replace his mate Wilder. That’s the first issue that needs resolving, the removal of Bettis.

 

[I should coco]

Absolutely nothing. He is our most effective player going forward, the only one that runs at defences and tries to get past them.
Why was the lad on the bench if he was fit enough to play?

Obviously the bloke who sees his players every day in training, can't possibly be trying to rest a young player, or do what's best for him.

The obvious answer is that Wilder MUST hate him, because he's a nasty bitter old man. God knows how he ever won all those promotions with different clubs, as he's obviously a shit manager, because we didn't thrash West Brom.

 

[CarlMcBlade]

Same old Wilder haters over and over again, his remit THIS time was keep us up. He’s done it, owners have already stated he’s staying (thank God).

From where we were when he picked up the reins he’s done a fantastic job.

The 20 that hate him on here, absolutely love a short term fail, I can here the keys clattering as I leave the ground but sorry lads suck it up he’s here next year and the vast majority couldn’t be happier.

Yes, there are a tiny number irrational Wilder “haters” on here. But stating the vast majority of people “couldn’t be happier” is probably irrational in itself. I would suggest the vast majority of fans are fairly indifferent to who is in the dugout, as long as United are winning.
Yes, I wasn’t happy that CW got sacked when he did, but if the boards gamble had paid off and Selles was a roaring success, the “vast majority” would have got behind him and Wilder would still sat on his sofa home.

 

[Danetheblade]

I couldn't read past the first bit of lunacy.

Weird that, cause you’ve clicked reply, then deleted the other part. If you’re going to converse, at least converse about the full message. It’s boring cherrypicking and makes for shit debate.

 

[Yoonitedite]

Don't forget, Wilder has saved us from certain relegation. Deserves another crack next year for me.

Nothing was certain about relegation after 5 games.
Possible yes but not certain after so few games.
Exaggeration doesn't make for a convincing argument.

 

[Yoonitedite]

Ok back to the OP, time to prepare for
next season. Firstly let's stop the shit on Wilder as whatever your view hes going nowhere.

Re the team, now is the time to play our players and decide who we r keeping and getting rid of and get the ones we are keeping embedded into our way of playing.

That means Rothwell needs regular games so he can hit the ground running next season. Drop Bindon ( unless we r sure we r signing him in the summer) and bring McGuiness in to see whether he can cut it at this level or if he's going to be one of the casualties. Give Faxon some game time to see if hes good enough to back up Cooper or whether we need to move him on. Give Chong an extended run to see if hes good enough and decide which of Cannom or Campbell we r keeping and getting them more minutes as we cant carry both of them next season.

Three or four good additions and a proper pre season and w will be able to challenge for top 5 next season. If we arent doing by Xmas that's tje time to have the Wilder debate

Are you assuming Wilder will match your suggestions or hoping he does.

 

[FriethBlade]

Are you assuming Wilder will match your suggestions or hoping he does.

Neither just saying what id do. Dont see the point of giving game time to loanees now the play offs are out of reach. Let's use this as a real life pre season to decide who is staying, who is going and get minutes into the likes of Rothwell and Blaster as early prreperation for next season

 

[Yoonitedite]

Neither just saying what id do. Dont see the point of giving game time to loanees now the play offs are out of reach. Let's use this as a real life pre season to decide who is staying, who is going and get minutes into the likes of Rothwell and Blaster as early prreperation for next season

I don't disagree with your thinking and see the merits of it.
I'm still not convinced Wilder's yer man to build and sustain a prem team given our poor infrastructure and antiquated thinking.

 

[I should coco]

Weird that, cause you’ve clicked reply, then deleted the other part. If you’re going to converse, at least converse about the full message. It’s boring cherrypicking and makes for shit debate.

Thanks for the forum etiquette lecture.

IIRC, the rest of your post was about the Charlatan having support staff around him. I thought he'd brought his own people in, but if he didn't insist on that, then he's even more of a cretin than I first thought.

 

[SwissBlade]

Spot on SwissBlade

So many of the Wilder detractors argument is that they want change, any change is a good thing, and it’s always because they have an inherent dislike of the man and evidently display no realisation, no acknowledgement whatsoever of where we were before he came in and where we are now.
They spout endless bollocks about a DoF and a “tactically aware” young coach or manager with absolutely no recognition that the coaching and training infrastructure is no where near what is needed for that type of set up. Even if they do give a cursory nod to the backroom staff required it’s as though that can be magically in place in a nanosecond and a new coach in place to bring on the nirvana of all appointments.

They spout about the rest of us settling for a mid table championship team and them being so much more progressive and wanting to compete and impress in the top league. No one iota of cognisance that without a level of investment unprecedented in Sheffield United history that pipe dream sits in a bin of delusional unreality matched only by our near neighbours spendageddon mentality (evidently without the infrastructure investment too).

Where I do agree on the progress front is that the owners should (if they have any level of ambition for this club) get the infrastructure right (cat 1 academy is the very start of that) as a foundation.

Where I differ significantly is that they seem to fail to understand that without that (huge level of investment and a programme that will take a minimum of 3 years) no DoF and head coach combo will make any positive contribution whatsoever. In fact we have witnessed first hand what that naive level of thinking results, and it isn’t pretty.

We are not a club set up for a continental style management and coaching programme. We are a provincial, working class, inner city team that represents its roots and values and mirrors the tribal nature of its heritage. Whilst not winning owt for over 100 years I believe that is the pinnacle of what we can achieve within our present budget. And I’m fine with that. Owning the city and laughing at that other lot is an ok default position. The odd promotion and foray into the top league is as good as it gets for us. And I’m fine with that at the moment.

What’s the alternative outcome?
Cleverly run but ultimately insipid and nondescript clubs like Brentford, Bournemouth and Brighton?

Have a go spunkathon clubs like Forest?
Cheating clubs like Leicester or Wham?

Strikes me the analogous performance to aspire to are clubs like Palace, Leeds, or Sunderland (if we have their level of investment), or Wolves (see where they are now) who sustained a top flight place for quite a long time.

The main thing I laugh at with these types of threads is the ridiculousness of the expectation that just a DOF and a trendy coach will be the panacea in an instant.

Bonkers.

That’s possibly your best post on this forum. Brilliant

 

[Kenilworth]

That’s possibly your best post on this forum. Brilliant

Cheers you cheeky bastard

I’ve made many such erudite missives in my near 15,000 (note my massive rounding uplift in attendance figures) contributions to this fine den of iniquity



True, I’ve made many a shitwasp, crap joke, as well. It keeps me entertained.

 

[djbaldken]

I know it’s upsetting to hear that your hero isn’t all you’d hoped they would be. But sadly, Wilder just doesn’t have it anymore and we need to move on.

I'm not upset at all. And Wilder is not my hero.
I just don't agree with your opinion.

 

[reedy63]

Okay, saying Wilder has to move on, but who do you think you can replace Him. The owners got it wrong appointing selles.
They dont know owt about football.

 

[Kenworthy’s Tash]

Okay, saying Wilder has to move on, but who do you think you can replace Him. The owners got it wrong appointing selles.
They dont know owt about football.

Hence why you get a decent DoF, instead of leaving important football decisions to a feckin accountant! You couldn’t make it up!

 

[I should coco]

Yes, a Dirtector of Football worked really well for Norwich, Rangers and Celtic.

I note that the Scabs were prepared to let a good manager like Nuno leave, but they have just decided that perhaps Edu is not all that.

Appointing a DoF, is not a simple silver bullet. Arguably, if you get that wrong, it's even worse that getting the head coach wrong.

Still, it sounds progressive and it's a way for the anti-Wilders to get him out, so I expect to hear more of this drivel spouted.

 

[CarlMcBlade]

"If".

Has anyone provided any evidence that Wilder was punishing Seriki?

Yeah “If”…Does anyone on here really know what goes on behind the scenes at the lane. But if we only ever commented on what we knew…Football forums wouldn’t exist.

 

[CarlMcBlade]

…Football forums are 99% rumour and speculation…1% fact.
But that’s why we love them.

 

[Upton_Blade]

Same old Wilder haters over and over again, his remit THIS time was keep us up. He’s done it, owners have already stated he’s staying (thank God).

From where we were when he picked up the reins he’s done a fantastic job.

The 20 that hate him on here, absolutely love a short term fail, I can here the keys clattering as I leave the ground but sorry lads suck it up he’s here next year and the vast majority couldn’t be happier.

I'm no Wilder "hater" as you put it but when this season draws to a close he'll have been in charge for 40 of the 46 games.

That's 120 points he's had to play for whilst being in charge.

Dependent on how we finish the season we'll probably finish on around 60 points so he'll have earned around 1.5 PPG since returning.

Not sure that could be classed as "fantastic".

 

[Kenilworth]

Hence why you get a decent DoF, instead of leaving important football decisions to a feckin accountant! You couldn’t make it up!

So, you shift all the decisions to a single person from a single person where the infrastructure is not geared towards a director of football?
Genius.
It’s so bloody simple why haven’t they done it already?
Oh, I don’t know. Maybe because it’s a fucking ludicrous idea until the investment has been made and the structure is in place.

 

[Kenilworth]

I'm no Wilder "hater" as you put it but when this season draws to a close he'll have been in charge for 40 of the 46 games.

That's 120 points he's had to play for whilst being in charge.

Dependent on how we finish the season we'll probably finish on around 60 points so he'll have earned around 1.5 PPG since returning.

Not sure that could be classed as "fantastic".

Context important as it’s not a tap.
Lost first 5 games and inherited a squad low on everything.
In those circumstances 1.5 pts per game is a very good return. The comparator you need is what we would have done if Wilder had been given the whole of this season. I’ve absolutely no doubt we’d have been at least in the play off positions.

 

[Upton_Blade]

Context important as it’s not a tap.
Lost first 5 games and inherited a squad low on everything.
In those circumstances 1.5 pts per game is a very good return. The comparator you need is what we would have done if Wilder had been given the whole of this season. I’ve absolutely no doubt we’d have been at least in the play off positions.

I'm not surprised you hold that view based on your previous postings tbh.

 

[Kenilworth]

I'm not surprised you hold that view based on your previous postings tbh.

And I’m right.

 

[Upton_Blade]

And I’m right.

I don't think so but on you go Chief .

 

[Nagima]

I would probably give Wilder another season.
That's not to say he hasn't weaknesses.

Selles obviously was the wrong fit and incapable of understanding that 433 doesn't work with O'Hare, Peck and Hamer as the middle 3.

Wilder has brought improvement and stability. As yesterday's match highlighted he is not good at making in game adjustments to positions and tactics. Not being able to see that one of our better performing players was actually limiting the effectiveness of other players and how we played.

Jairo dropped deep to receive the ball and provided protection for the centre backs. The problem was when we had possession he dropped between the centre backs pushing them wide and directing them to pass out wide and up the side. That would be ok now and then but it was continual.

By dropping back receiving the ball only left peck to pass to through the middle leaving a 2 v1 against that pass. By pushing the ball out wide to our centre halves he has actually slowed the transition from defence to attack.

Not only slowed it but limited its options as Burrows who is the next in the chain is now high and wide but receiving the ball stood still. The same on the other side with hoever.
That then allows WBA a low block with and us playing tippy tappy too many touches and creating very little. We saw some improvement in the second half before returning to form for the rest of the game.

The players are not blameless either. I thought their attitude in the warm ups was jokey and skittish. When it needs to be focused and tuned in.

All of above is supported by they performance we saw yesterday. The near misses, events and the stats.

We had about twice as much possession and had more touches in the box with a slightly better xg and a similar number of shots. Davies made some really great and important saves. WBA looked poor in the first half and we left them in the game. It cost us.

Yesterday was the most frustrating match for me. You could see the problem 15 minutes into the game. I really don't know what the coaches and Wilder are doing when they A don't see the problem and B dont have any plan B...even to just shake it up and put a bit of life into it.

 

[I should coco]

I'm not surprised you hold that view based on your previous postings tbh.

So are you seriously saying that inheritting a team that has lost 6 games and is completely on the floor, is the same as at the start of the season?

If so, I can't imagine why anyone would entertain serious debate with you. If not, you are letting the anti-Wilder mist speed your fingers across the keyboard.

Either way, you need to give your head a wobble.

 

[Upton_Blade]

So are you seriously saying that inheritting a team that has lost 6 games and is completely on the floor, is the same as at the start of the season?

If so, I can't imagine why anyone would entertain serious debate with you. If not, you are letting the anti-Wilder mist speed your fingers across the keyboard.

Either way, you need to give your head a wobble.

And another Wilder fanatic enters the fray.

My head certainly doesn't need "a wobble" as you put it.

Tell me. Those Wilder pyjamas you wear. How often do you wash them??

 

[Kenilworth]

I don't think so but on you go Chief .

Pleased you acknowledge the hierarchy

 

[Kenilworth]

And another Wilder fanatic enters the fray.

My head certainly doesn't need "a wobble" as you put it.

Tell me. Those Wilder pyjamas you wear. How often do you wash them??

Ooh look. Ad hominem

No logical argument so reverts to personal attacks