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YES Blade said:
The Americans must think it’s a Wrexham shirt then
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A few who I’ve spoken to do struggle with the concept of Wales and Scotland as countries. It’s piss funny when you’re with Welsh or Scottish mates and they ask whether Scotland and Wales are part of England.
 
About time the other Champ teams just voted them back to the Welsh league.

Apparently bidding 15m for Adam Armstrong. Not saying he’s worth that but they’ve gone from nice fairytale to pretty much every Championship teams most hated.

I don’t dislike the owners but it’s pretty obscene the amount they are supposedly allowed to spend. Hopefully they get caught in some FFP trap but I’m not banking on it.

They are probably the team we would need to hunt down as well if we were to spring a surprise. Win the game in hand, beat them at the Lane and then you’re looking at outperforming them by 3 points and hoping the GD comes good.

I’d still say we have a better XI than them, ironically due to our home grown lads. Can’t stand financially doped up teams getting success.
 
Champagneblade said:
About time the other Champ teams just voted them back to the Welsh league.

Apparently bidding 15m for Adam Armstrong. Not saying he’s worth that but they’ve gone from nice fairytale to pretty much every Championship teams most hated.

I don’t dislike the owners but it’s pretty obscene the amount they are supposedly allowed to spend. Hopefully they get caught in some FFP trap but I’m not banking on it.

They are probably the team we would need to hunt down as well if we were to spring a surprise. Win the game in hand, beat them at the Lane and then you’re looking at outperforming them by 3 points and hoping the GD comes good.

I’d still say we have a better XI than them, ironically due to our home grown lads. Can’t stand financially doped up teams getting success.
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Their income (outside of player transfers) is probably higher than many clubs. The new owners strategised this which is why they have an internationally watched show on TV and have United Airlines and Google as sponsors.
 
Selling all their old gold shirts to the Wednesday millions will be enough to buy at least 4 Adam Armstrongs
 



Maybe this is for the unpopular opinions thread but…….

The top of the premier league is a closed shop because Man City, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea can spend £100m on a player, they have the global branding that nets them huge income to (maybe City will come a cropper when their charges are finally resolved) justify this spending and the huge wages the go with it in the context of FFP.

The next band - Villa, Newcastle, Spurs also have sources of ownership based wealth that means they are economically miles apart from anybody like us.

I could continue down the hierarchy - Wolves, West Ham , Forest have all spent shedloads. How can a team like United, or Ipswich, WBA, Norwich, Derby play by the same rules and hope to survive….?

So the alternative approaches:

1 - find an investor and heavily pump prime the ascent to a Premier League power. It worked for Blackburn - and it worked for Man City before the FFP drawbridge was pulled up. The only way to pursue this route now is to gamble and hope that (if you are starting in the championship) you get promoted and survive so that you don’t face the EFL penalties that will be lying in wait after relegation

2 - differentiate yourself on or off the pitch - we did it in 2017-20 with (largely) novel tactics. The moneyball clubs have done it by being more nimble and informed in picking up, developing and selling on talent. Or maybe make yourself interesting as a brand so that you get people/revenue streams that wouldn’t otherwise be remotely bothered in a small provincial club to buy into the novelty and thus legitimately fund a rise up the leagues.

As far as I am aware Wrexham have not broken any rules. It’s probably a novelty that can’t be repeated. But to people who are effectively saying ‘No - you are a pissy little team and shouldn’t be able to access the big boys club’ - why does this annoy you so much?


That said I’ll piss myself if we beat them to 6th spot.
 
Since the Premier League became the all conquering empire awash with obscene amounts of money,
I have always revelled in unfashionable “little” teams like Bournemouth, Brentford etc getting promoted to the Prem to shove it up the hierarchy and break the elitist model. But what that has meant to muppet clubs like us who never seem to plan for the potential of promotion and ultimately humiliate ourselves, is that now we can’t even compete with smaller (but savvy) clubs like the ones mentioned above.
Now, I don’t think I could cope with another Cinderella club like Wrexham overtaking us and becoming a Premier league staple.
 
I can't see this being a regular occurrence, plus I'm a big fan of It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia, so the whole Wrexham thing doesn't bother me. I get why it's not universally popular though.

I know they've been bankrolled and it's hardly an organic rise up the league, but to go from nowhere in the National League to spending 10 figures on a single player is still an amazing story. I remember my mind being blown when we dropped £7m on Luke Freeman then shortly followed it up with £17m.on Mcburnie! Wednesday have shown that you can't just throw a bit of cash around and make it work, there's a lot more to it than that.

Plus it adds a new team to the mix. It's boring seeing the same names in and around the premier league bottom half/championship top 6.
 
Nedski said:
Plus it adds a new team to the mix. It's boring seeing the same names in and around the premier league bottom half/championship top 6.
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Very real chance we could get 3 "new" teams in the PL next year. Top 10 currently has just Ipswich receiving parachute payments.

(last time they were in PL in brackets)
  1. Coventry (2001)
  2. Middlesbrough (2017)
  3. Ipswich (2025)
  4. Hull (2017)
  5. Millwall (Never)
  6. Wrexham (Never)
  7. Bristol City (Never)
  8. Watford (2022)
  9. Preston (Never)
  10. Stoke (2018)
If Boro or Hull get 2nd after Coventry, then one of the "nevers" get up, it would be zero parachute clubs promoted
 
mattbianco1 said:
Very real chance we could get 3 "new" teams in the PL next year. Top 10 currently has just Ipswich receiving parachute payments.

(last time they were in PL in brackets)
  1. Coventry (2001)
  2. Middlesbrough (2017)
  3. Ipswich (2025)
  4. Hull (2017)
  5. Millwall (Never)
  6. Wrexham (Never)
  7. Bristol City (Never)
  8. Watford (2022)
  9. Preston (Never)
  10. Stoke (2018)
If Boro or Hull get 2nd after Coventry, then one of the "nevers" get up, it would be zero parachute clubs promoted
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Be a real struggle next season for us if that happens as They’ll be 6 teams on parachute payments
 
I think there's more than a hint of jealousy here. I challenge anyone to say they wouldn't have been delighted if we'd got their owners and achieved what they have in such a short space of time. I think it's a great story because just before they were taken over the club was dying on it's arse with a dickhead owner so you can't really blame their fans for being full of themselves. Plastic FC means nothing these days because unless a club has got substantial backing, they won't break through the current closed shop. Are Man City that much different? A club going nowhere and had just scraped out of League 1 via penalties in a play-off final against Gillingham, then they hit the jackpot.
Who wouldn't want that to happen.
Brighton have had some journey, a club without a ground as recently as the mid nineties and close to going out of business and bottom end of (old) 3rd division. Do we begrudge their success now?
 
coaxingstar71 said:
I think there's more than a hint of jealousy here. I challenge anyone to say they wouldn't have been delighted if we'd got their owners and achieved what they have in such a short space of time. I think it's a great story because just before they were taken over the club was dying on it's arse with a dickhead owner so you can't really blame their fans for being full of themselves. Plastic FC means nothing these days because unless a club has got substantial backing, they won't break through the current closed shop. Are Man City that much different? A club going nowhere and had just scraped out of League 1 via penalties in a play-off final against Gillingham, then they hit the jackpot.
Who wouldn't want that to happen.
Brighton have had some journey, a club without a ground as recently as the mid nineties and close to going out of business and bottom end of (old) 3rd division. Do we begrudge their success now?
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I think the biggest issue isnt the rags to riches part, as you said rich backers come in and change clubs fortunes however the force feeding BS from the media seemingly eulogising them as a model to follow gets peoples goat. Facts are they have hit the jackpot - it is by no means a fairytale. I personally am sick of them being spunked over by everyone. Let them get to PL. It'll happen I have no doubt but once Hollywood decide they are bored watch wheels come off
 
scouseblade said:
I think the biggest issue isnt the rags to riches part, as you said rich backers come in and change clubs fortunes however the force feeding BS from the media seemingly eulogising them as a model to follow gets peoples goat. Facts are they have hit the jackpot - it is by no means a fairytale. I personally am sick of them being spunked over by everyone. Let them get to PL. It'll happen I have no doubt but once Hollywood decide they are bored watch wheels come off
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I would counter that it isn't the club's fault how they are perceived by the press.
Is it not a fairytale for those fans? One day your club is on it's arse staring extinction in the face, the next, two Hollywood filmstars want to take over and take the club on an incredible journey to the Premier League. Sounds like one to me.

To use your parlance, did we not get spunked over when we went up in 2019? Magazine articles in Spain, YouTube videos analysing our style of play, pundits drooling over our innovative tactics and the overlapping centre backs, praise from Pep and the others. Don't tell me you didn't enjoy it.
 



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