What seems to have been overlooked .

[AWetFlannel]

Whether this serious flaw in our set up is down to the manager , his assistant or the defensive coach or a combination of all three is a matter for debate but is almost certainly the reason we conceded the first two goals which were crucial to the end result .

Or the players not following instructions, or not being switched on enough to follow them well?

The manager is and should always be culpable for results and performances ultimately, but you can't know for sure that our set piece set up is flawed due to their fault solely.

 

[brownblade]

And rumoured we’ve paid around £8M for the pair & 4 year contracts

There's no way that's true.

 

[FredZeppelin]

Whilst I agree that Adam Davies wasn't totally to blame for yesterday's embarrassment and shouldn't be used a scapegoat, what I would say is that my criticism of him is based on his 'consistently shit performances'. He's NEVER been any fucking good!

He's consistently poor in his shot saving, coming out for the ball, and his distribution. Worst of all though, is that he must transmit the same lack of confidence to the players that he does to the crowd. He's bloody terrible. Watch him 'warm up' before a game. He doesn't even 'go through the motions'. He's just not bothered imo.

If you still feel sorry for him or want to defend him then ask yourself this, are you happy to have him in our goal for any length of time?

The management are negligent by keeping him imo. He is beyond terrible. FFS get rid!

utb

 

[bladesmanluke]

Rubbish that Davies wasn't to blame. He was almost stood on the far post when Reed struck the first. No wonder he got nowhere near it

 

[tincan]

The blame lies firmly with the coach who had 10 days to prepare the team for the Giants of Mansfield yet delivered another garbage performance. The team had experienced internationals on the pitch yet none had the gumption to show a modicum of leadership.
Made worse at halftime when no subs despite the 1st 11 being so bad.

 

[John Street West Terrace]

There's no way that's true.

McGuinness alone was rumoured to be £6M

 

[John Street West Terrace]

Rubbish that Davies wasn't to blame. He was almost stood on the far post when Reed struck the first. No wonder he got nowhere near it

And 4th goal left his front post wide open when narrowing angle

 

[Rochdaleblade]

Whilst I agree that Adam Davies wasn't totally to blame for yesterday's embarrassment and shouldn't be used a scapegoat, what I would say is that my criticism of him is based on his 'consistently shit performances'. He's NEVER been any fucking good!

He's consistently poor in his shot saving, coming out for the ball, and his distribution. Worst of all though, is that he must transmit the same lack of confidence to the players that he does to the crowd. He's bloody terrible. Watch him 'warm up' before a game. He doesn't even 'go through the motions'. He's just not bothered imo.

If you still feel sorry for him or want to defend him then ask yourself this, are you happy to have him in our goal for any length of time?

The management are negligent by keeping him imo. He is beyond terrible. FFS get rid!

utb

It's incredible to me that he has been with us for 4 years and never looked good enough whenever he has played, yet he is still our back up keeper.

 

[MayorOJC]

Might be a bit harsh (and I generally think goalkeepers are unfairly criticised), but most Championship keepers would be disappointed to let that in. It's closer to the middle of the goal than the far post. He was stood too far wide trying to see around Evans.

 

[FriethBlade]

Chong started to go and close him down for the first but then generously stopped to let little Louis shoot uncontested.

Chong bottled it like he didn't fancy being hit by the ball. For us to then let the same player score an identical goal from an identical situation was absolutely farcical.

It had to be down to instructions from the management team as it was noticeable that we had all our players defending in the box, almost like the thinking is that if we crowd the box as much as possible we r less likely to concede

 

[SwitchBLADE Smiles]

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Might be a bit harsh (and I generally think goalkeepers are unfairly criticised), but most Championship keepers would be disappointed to let that in. It's closer to the middle of the goal than the far post. He was stood too far wide trying to see around Evans.

This image is quite telling. He’s full stretch at the very top of his dive to save the shot… and bang in the middle of the goal, meaning he was way over to his right when the ball was struck. Basic positional awareness means he probably wouldn’t have to even dive to save that. It’s the kind of stuff you’d expect to see from academy players and work to coach out of them, not a 33 year old experienced professional.

 

[CrookesBlade]

In my opinion I don’t think we do any preparation or tactical set up to account for the opposition in any cup games. Think it’s a case of telling them to go out there and don’t get injured or pick up a booking.

Regardless of opinion on Wilder his sides are generally front foot, aggressive etc. The number of changes are hardly an excuse, every player out there bar A Davies (who the criticism of is massively exaggerated) has been involved regularly this season yet they
step out in cup games and look like they only met 5 mins before kick off.

 

[pollster]

During the game itself and in the aftermath of our embarrassing defeat , there has been the usual tendency to blame it on the performances of certain individuals with some justification in a number of cases , although I find the criticism of the goalkeeper over exaggerated .

In my view he could only be reasonably expected to save one of the four but even then , there were others more culpable in the events leading up to this.

Looking at the broader picture and which has been pointed out on BBC’s match day highlights , the reason we conceded the first 2 goals was down to ridiculous marking from the corners that led to them . In both cases , they had two men on the edge of the box waiting for the outball and we had no one within 10 yards of them .

Granted they were both good strikes , but Reed should never have been given the time and space to execute them . The fact that this happened not once but twice is unforgivable.

Whether this serious flaw in our set up is down to the manager , his assistant or the defensive coach or a combination of all three is a matter for debate but is almost certainly the reason we conceded the first two goals which were crucial to the end result .

Thanks for creating a new thread on what I pointed out on the match thread yesterday.
And also indicated it is a historical flaw under Wilder eg Stoke City away last season.
Spotted seemingly by all the 'expert summarisers of the opposition teams as yesterday. (radio Nottingham)
I would have thought even without my experience of watching all matches ONLINE with constant (ANNOYING) close ups of Wilder micro managing EVERY aspect of play from even when Cooper puts the ball down and kicks long (eg last seconds before HT at Hillsborough last season, Anel told to play sideways some 9 minutes into the first home game v QPR last season (just before we went 2-0 up) etc
The fact that a highly successful manager at Brentford who was (said to be) our set piece coach for under Wilder 2 seasons ago was an apparent disaster creating F ALL for us, was a roaring success at Brentford the following year gives some sort of clue that EVERYTHING is down to Wilder's instruction to all but the totally brain dead.
As is the fact that journeyman Wilder is unable to organize hence a total reliance of players who have learned their trade elsewhere and has conducted the worst transfers in SUFC history destroying what should have been probably the best crop of youngsters this club has ever produced
WILDER IS THE PROBLEM.
as if we do not have enough with clown owners COH.

 

[Kenilworth]

Thanks for creating a new thread on what I pointed out on the match thread yesterday.
And also indicated it is a historical flaw under Wilder eg Stoke City away last season.
Spotted seemingly by all the 'expert summarisers of the opposition teams as yesterday. (radio Nottingham)
I would have thought even without my experience of watching all matches ONLINE with constant (ANNOYING) close ups of Wilder micro managing EVERY aspect of play from even when Cooper puts the ball down and kicks long (eg last seconds before HT at Hillsborough last season, Anel told to play sideways some 9 minutes into the first home game v QPR last season (just before we went 2-0 up) etc
The fact that a highly successful manager at Brentford who was (said to be) our set piece coach for under Wilder 2 seasons ago was an apparent disaster creating F ALL for us, was a roaring success at Brentford the following year gives some sort of clue that EVERYTHING is down to Wilder's instruction to all but the totally brain dead.
As is the fact that journeyman Wilder is unable to organize hence a total reliance of players who have learned their trade elsewhere and has conducted the worst transfers in SUFC history destroying what should have been probably the best crop of youngsters this club has ever produced
WILDER IS THE PROBLEM.
as if we do not have enough with clown owners COH.

 

[Grey Blade]

That is ridiculous . Why on earth is no one picking up the 2 players on the edge of the box. I reckon 9 defenders would have coped with 5 attackers.

It does make me wonder how Chelsea manage to leave 3 players up when defending a corner.

 

[jt64]

In my opinion I don’t think we do any preparation or tactical set up to account for the opposition in any cup games. Think it’s a case of telling them to go out there and don’t get injured or pick up a booking.

Which, given yellow cards in the Cup don't count towards the league and haven't done for years, would be a very baffling strategy

 

[Nick Jansky]

You could also say that the first two goals came from their corners failing to beat the first man, so our set up for the corner was good, the clearance and closing down the man on the edge of the box were wank

The second one beat the first man. With the way we were set up it didn’t matter whether the first one beat the first man or not, any defensive header was going to give us problems. So no, I don’t think we were at all well set up. We didn’t need that many people around the 6 yard box.

 

[SwissBlade]

The second one beat the first man. With the way we were set up it didn’t matter whether the first one beat the first man or not, any defensive header was going to give us problems. So no, I don’t think we were at all well set up. We didn’t need that many people around the 6 yard box.

Commentator even said that the corner failed to beat the first man again for the second. So it was probably the second man. But that’s just semantics, we were able to clear both corners. That won’t have been Mansfields tactic.

We should’ve dealt with the ball out and the shots better

 

[ThatJa]

Maybe Davies wasn't to blame for all of the goals, fair.

Lets be right though, he's been stealing a wage whilst here... he's the new Jake Eastwood.

 

[Nick Jansky]

Commentator even said that the corner failed to beat the first man again for the second. So it was probably the second man. But that’s just semantics, we were able to clear both corners. That won’t have been Mansfields tactic.

We should’ve dealt with the ball out and the shots better

If you look at the number of players they had in the penalty area (5) and the positioning of their other players I would say they absolutely expected to lose the first header. It was very tactically astute.

We were unable to deal with the ball out because of the ridiculous decision to completely flood the 6 yard box against 5 men. And we didn’t learn from it.

 

[Varkanoid]

Another spin that does not excuse no marking on Reed is that they wanted to pack the box to make sure Davies doesnt have to make a "save" as they knew where the ball would go.

 

[SwissBlade]

If you look at the number of players they had in the penalty area (5) and the positioning of their other players I would say they absolutely expected to lose the first header. It was very tactically astute.

We were unable to deal with the ball out because of the ridiculous decision to completely flood the 6 yard box against 5 men. And we didn’t learn from it.

Not sure it was ridiculous to defend a corner with men in the box. As I said we dealt with the ball in. We didn’t deal with the ball out, twice, and the shot, twice which I already agreed with.

 

[Rufus Smalls]

10 players to handle 5 from the opposition. All ball watching. Very poor tactically.
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As others have said, a junior football team would get a bollocking if they packed the box like that from an opposition corner.

Who the hell is instructing our players to pack the box and ignore players outside the box ??

 

[Rufus Smalls]

And 4th goal left his front post wide open when narrowing angle

Harsh on Davies. I thought it was a very neat finish.

 

[TJ blade]

And 4th goal left his front post wide open when narrowing angle

The 4th goal, he seemed to move out of the way of the shot!

 

[100% part time blade]

, every player out there bar A Davies (who the criticism of is massively exaggerated) has been involved regularly this season yet they step out in cup games and look like they only met 5 mins before kick off.

 

[The Crab]

McGuinness alone was rumoured to be £6M

Dear god I hope that isn’t true.

 

[John Street West Terrace]

Dear god I hope that isn’t true.

Me & you both !!!!

 

[finlaytheblade]

Me & you both !!!!

Wouldnt surprise me ! they were throwing money around like confetti in the last few days of the window in a panic !!.

 

[Keen Blade]

Defensively we were very poor imo.

We got done for pace by simple through balls and quick runners.

Very basic stuff which a lower league side were able to exploit.

The 2 strikes by LR were also avoidable (the 2nd also taking a big deflection) but why is he given such time & space.

Cloughie took advantage of our 2 slow (unfit) centre backs and yet we changed nothing during the game to stop their quick striker.

Does Wilder ever react effectively to what's happening in a game ?
You know - stuff of which the whole crowd can see the significance - but he can't ?

He ought to come and sit on the kop near me for a game or two.
The anguished shouts about what needs attention during a game would give him a much better insight than he displays from his very poor view at pitch level , which is blocked by the bodies of the players.

Or get in the directors box for an even better view.

Touchline is a crap view - gives you no proper depth perspective or any idea of action beyond a very short radius.