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Totally agree with Blader on this one (that may be a first!)
The FA have brought this upon themselves by forming the Premier League with its obscene wages, over hype, prima donnas, foreign coaches and so-called experts spouting b*llocks on Match of the Day !
We have a national side that basically would struggle to hold it's own in our own Premier League yet when its 'World Cup' time we have idiots who's only connection with football is 'Match of the Day' driving round with England flads stuck on each corner, huge flags of St George draped out of their house windows and an excuse to drink Tesco & Asda dry every time there's an England match on the telly.
Whilst for the majority of my life I have had to endure the dross served up at BDTBL the special moments eg Wembley 2014, Cup Runs 2003, Promotion 2007, Bassett Era in the 90's, Harris team of the early 70's have made it all worth while - give me the Blades anytime before England...........................thinking about it the fact they were on ITV last night summed it all up ITV Sport, Adrian Chiles and England Football team deserve one other - they are all sh!te !
 

We need a manager whos going to get the players up for it. All I heard yesterday on the radio was Gerard going on about how shit it will be if we loose, FFS he sounds like me when Im stepping up to a 1 foot putt at golf and then go on to miss it. They should be thinking about winning the game not how bad it will be when they lose it.

I want a manager whos going to get them playing 110% I want Neil Warnock England Manager! :)
 
The art of defending hasn't been lost, it's just Jagielka, Baines and Johnson are exceptionally wank at top class international level.

England's qualification group for France 2016 features San Marino, Switzerland, Slovenia, Estonia and Lithuania, I think Woy's Boys should get through those lot.

Hart, Smalling, Ward, Walker, Stones, Davies, Shaw, Cahill, Henderson, Wilshere, Huddlestone, Welbeck, Barkley, Townsend, Sterling, The Ox, Walcott, Sturridge, Rodriguez, Rooney.

If Woy can't get the above squad working together in an attacking pacey style in 2 years, then The Fa might as well pack up and sell Wembley to the NFL.
 
SheepdipBlade said:
And there lies the problem. The English Premier League has invested heavily in bringing in overseas talent at the expence of developing English talent. If England ever want to make the quarter finals of a world Cup again they need to insist on a quota of 5-7 homegrown (ie eligable for England) players in every matchday squad.
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Oh FFS!

Making teams select sub-standard English players is not the right way to go about this. What we should be asking is why our players are substandard...improve the players, and clubs will sign them.

To pick up on a point that Linz made, we barely hve any players (none?) playing overseas. With Global Scouting networks of the rich clubs, is this because:

  1. The players don`t want to move abroad
  2. The players aren`t good enough to justify bringing them into a foreign country
Its probably 10% the first, 90% the second.

We need to make an investment in coaching at the very bottom of the ladder. We need to sort the problem from teh bottom up. However part of that will be sorting out the funding. The PL has more cash than you can shake a stick at, but you have more chance of getting a pint out of Boycott than the PL amending the distribution of money...
 
Worksop_Blade said:
The art of defending hasn't been lost, it's just Jagielka, Baines and Johnson are exceptionally wank at top class international level.

England's qualification group for France 2016 features San Marino, Switzerland, Slovenia, Estonia and Lithuania, I think Woy's Boys should get through those lot.

Hart, Smalling, Ward, Walker, Stones, Davies, Shaw, Cahill, Henderson, Wilshere, Huddlestone, Welbeck, Barkley, Townsend, Sterling, The Ox, Walcott, Sturridge, Rodriguez, Rooney.

If Woy can't get the above squad working together in an attacking pacey style in 2 years, then The Fa might as well pack up and sell Wembley to the NFL.
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If England fail to beat Costa Rica, it will be their worst ever performance in a WC tournment (previous worst 1950: one win two losses and out in the first round; though they did finish second in the group, but only one went through). In that scenario RH won't see out next week as manager.
 
SellyOakBlade said:
Oh FFS!

Making teams select sub-standard English players is not the right way to go about this. What we should be asking is why our players are substandard...improve the players, and clubs will sign them.

To pick up on a point that Linz made, we barely hve any players (none?) playing overseas. With Global Scouting networks of the rich clubs, is this because:

  1. The players don`t want to move abroad
  2. The players aren`t good enough to justify bringing them into a foreign country
Its probably 10% the first, 90% the second.

We need to make an investment in coaching at the very bottom of the ladder. We need to sort the problem from teh bottom up. However part of that will be sorting out the funding. The PL has more cash than you can shake a stick at, but you have more chance of getting a pint out of Boycott than the PL amending the distribution of money...
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You missed out the fact that with the exception of about 3 or 4 teams, English clubs pay more. If that changes, our players will go abroad again, like in the 1960s and 1980s when there were a number of good players in Italy.

The worst thing about England doing badly is that everyone will agree that Something Must Be Done and I'm worried that the something will be Greg Dyke's idiot B teams league.
 
Revolution said:
You missed out the fact that with the exception of about 3 or 4 teams, English clubs pay more. If that changes, our players will go abroad again, like in the 1960s and 1980s when there were a number of good players in Italy.

The worst thing about England doing badly is that everyone will agree that Something Must Be Done and I'm worried that the something will be Greg Dyke's idiot B teams league.
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Indeed. If I have disentangled the football clubs from the following table correctly, of the 22 top paying football clubs 11 are English, 6 Italian, 3 Spanish and 2 German. By the by, how do QPR manage to pay the 7th highest wages in England?

http://www.theguardian.com/news/dat...est-paid-team-in-global-salary-survey-compare
 
Glad I follow Norn Iron. At least no one expects them to do well and no one is suicidal when they don't. A bit like following the Blades on Mogadon really...
 
Darren said:
If England fail to beat Costa Rica, it will be their worst ever performance in a WC tournment (previous worst 1950: one win two losses and out in the first round; though they did finish second in the group, but only one went through). In that scenario RH won't see out next week as manager.
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Scorers and times, please! :D
 
Revolution said:
You missed out the fact that with the exception of about 3 or 4 teams, English clubs pay more. If that changes, our players will go abroad again, like in the 1960s and 1980s when there were a number of good players in Italy.

The worst thing about England doing badly is that everyone will agree that Something Must Be Done and I'm worried that the something will be Greg Dyke's idiot B teams league.
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Sending them round to Alfreton when they get back for a good kicking seems like a plan; I'm buying into this B team idea.
 
SellyOakBlade said:
Bernie Eccleston?
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A bit of maths gives the following mean and median weekly wages

England mean: £43,717 median £31,981
Germany: mean £27,889 median £25,233
Italy: mean £25,157 median £14,205
Spain mean: £23,185 median: £14,329

So basically, your average top division player can earn a third as much again in England as he can in Germany and over twice as much as he could earn in Spain or Italy.
 
My wife's a pig (and by that I mean a Wednesday fan, not an ugly wife, before anyone comments...) and she was gutted with the result last night. I'm a Blade and I was, well, a bit Meh..... I'm used to seeing my side underachieve. She's deluded and thinks every loss (club or country) requires a national day of mourning.
 

QPR - That is why the Football League wants a few quid to fine for them breaking the financial fare play rules.
 
I firmly believe the FA, media and biennial "England" fans are out of step with [most of] those of us who actively support football.

I would prefer the England team to be successful rather than not, but that's where it ends.

The lifeblood of our football existence is the League: week-in, week-out; highs and lows; transfers and trophies; pies and promotion; last-gasp winners and stratospheric spot-kicks; Deane and Stein.

I resent any intrusion by the FA or anybody else into my weekly football fix. Bollocks to rain, snow, unexploded bombs and international breaks. Fuck off, all of you. You have no right to intervene in my week-end. I exempt you Summer: we all need a rest and you do at least compensate with your Cricket, Golf and barbecues

Problems? Yes there are. A deluded, self-interested FA who purport to tell us fans what we want and couldn't be more wrong in the telling and a sycophantic bunch of reporters and TV presenters who have a vested interest in perpetuating the myth.

The football that is my passion is played out at venues all the way from St. James's Park to Home Park but chiefly at Bramall Lane. Wembley is for cup-ties and play-offs. Once every four years (sometimes two) I allow myself the distraction of international football (the 'friendlies' in between go completely un-noticed) but I have no partisan interest. I delight in the flourishing excellence of the greatest of the great, Pele, Beckenbauer, Cruyff and, yes, Charlton, Moore and Banks but not the surly mediocrity and false pride of nondescripts like Terry, Ferdinand, Gerrard et al.

In the barmy, Alician world of the FA, we should all structure our gardens for the sole benefit of the flower that might bloom (it rarely does) every four years, at the expense of the hardy annuals that bring us colour and pleasure every day of the week. These are dangerous people, with madcap ideas. They have nothing in common with real football and real fans. They will take away our heritage for a couple of dollars if we let them.
 
Pinchy said:
I firmly believe the FA, media and biennial "England" fans are out of step with [most of] those of us who actively support football.

I would prefer the England team to be successful rather than not, but that's where it ends.

The lifeblood of our football existence is the League: week-in, week-out; highs and lows; transfers and trophies; pies and promotion; last-gasp winners and stratospheric spot-kicks; Deane and Stein.

I resent any intrusion by the FA or anybody else into my weekly football fix. Bollocks to rain, snow, unexploded bombs and international breaks. Fuck off, all of you. You have no right to intervene in my week-end. I exempt you Summer: we all need a rest and you do at least compensate with your Cricket, Golf and barbecues

Problems? Yes there are. A deluded, self-interested FA who purport to tell us fans what we want and couldn't be more wrong in the telling and a sycophantic bunch of reporters and TV presenters who have a vested interest in perpetuating the myth.

The football that is my passion is played out at venues all the way from St. James's Park to Home Park but chiefly at Bramall Lane. Wembley is for cup-ties and play-offs. Once every four years (sometimes two) I allow myself the distraction of international football (the 'friendlies' in between go completely un-noticed) but I have no partisan interest. I delight in the flourishing excellence of the greatest of the great, Pele, Beckenbauer, Cruyff and, yes, Charlton, Moore and Banks but not the surly mediocrity and false pride of nondescripts like Terry, Ferdinand, Gerrard et al.

In the barmy, Alician world of the FA, we should all structure our gardens for the sole benefit of the flower that might bloom (it rarely does) every four years, at the expense of the hardy annuals that bring us colour and pleasure every day of the week. These are dangerous people, with madcap ideas. They have nothing in common with real football and real fans. They will take away our heritage for a couple of dollars if we let them.
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With you pretty much all the way there Pinchers - except the Golf
(men - or indeed women - with sticks wound up about half as tightly as the mile long piece of elasticated rubber that constitutes the ball they are attempting to hide in a hole in the ground about 300 or more yards away)
 
Pinchy said:
I firmly believe the FA, media and biennial "England" fans are out of step with [most of] those of us who actively support football.

I would prefer the England team to be successful rather than not, but that's where it ends.

The lifeblood of our football existence is the League: week-in, week-out; highs and lows; transfers and trophies; pies and promotion; last-gasp winners and stratospheric spot-kicks; Deane and Stein.

I resent any intrusion by the FA or anybody else into my weekly football fix. Bollocks to rain, snow, unexploded bombs and international breaks. Fuck off, all of you. You have no right to intervene in my week-end. I exempt you Summer: we all need a rest and you do at least compensate with your Cricket, Golf and barbecues

Problems? Yes there are. A deluded, self-interested FA who purport to tell us fans what we want and couldn't be more wrong in the telling and a sycophantic bunch of reporters and TV presenters who have a vested interest in perpetuating the myth.

The football that is my passion is played out at venues all the way from St. James's Park to Home Park but chiefly at Bramall Lane. Wembley is for cup-ties and play-offs. Once every four years (sometimes two) I allow myself the distraction of international football (the 'friendlies' in between go completely un-noticed) but I have no partisan interest. I delight in the flourishing excellence of the greatest of the great, Pele, Beckenbauer, Cruyff and, yes, Charlton, Moore and Banks but not the surly mediocrity and false pride of nondescripts like Terry, Ferdinand, Gerrard et al.

In the barmy, Alician world of the FA, we should all structure our gardens for the sole benefit of the flower that might bloom (it rarely does) every four years, at the expense of the hardy annuals that bring us colour and pleasure every day of the week. These are dangerous people, with madcap ideas. They have nothing in common with real football and real fans. They will take away our heritage for a couple of dollars if we let them.
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Completly agree, except for the cricket, men doing fuck all for hours while everyone else falls asleep ;)
 
Ted Danson said:
Completly agree, except for the cricket, men doing fuck all for hours while everyone else falls asleep ;)
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In danger of getting pelters from the feminista there TD
- you see how I covered my statement with the now obligatory - or indeed women - caveat?

You never know when they are going to sneak up on you and rip your balls off for neglecting them.
I suppose they have their daytime TV, hospital dramas and Jezza Kyle and we have our Cricket
It's a tricky world we live in, that's for sure.
 
Pinchy said:
I agree entirely with the sentiments expressed.

I would only add that the Everton centre-back was exposed for the limited player he actually is.
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I wouldn't single him out tbh. The Liverpool contingent were absolutely shocking ( Coady couldn't have done worse than Gerrard ).
Johnson was absolutely dreadful, Henderson was anonymous, Stirling reminded me of Brandy ( lots of jinking about and no end product, constantly losing the ball and giving away free kicks )
Rooney was strolling around like it was a practice match !! Not fit to wear the shirt is my opinion and if we lose to Costa Rica I think Hodgson should be left behind in Brazil when we come home; and sacked .....
UTB & FTP
 
stringjunior said:
My wife's a pig (and by that I mean a Wednesday fan, not an ugly wife, before anyone comments...) and she was gutted with the result last night. I'm a Blade and I was, well, a bit Meh..... I'm used to seeing my side underachieve. She's deluded and thinks every loss (club or country) requires a national day of mourning.
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Yeah but England aren't massive though are they so they don't deserve a National day of mourning for the loss !!!
UTB & FTP
 
Pinchy said:
I agree entirely with the sentiments expressed.

I would only add that the Everton centre-back was exposed for the limited player he actually is.
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Whilst I would agree with you the Jagielka is not international class (as are most of his teammates), I am beginning to wonder if he took advantage of you or one of your loved ones in some way during his time at SUFC, such is your repetitive vitriol against the poor unfortunate lad!
 
TonyAgana said:
Since fucking when does a player "retire from International football"??! How fucking arrogant is that shit?
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A condition of being a professional footballer should be the duty to represent their country when called upon. Retiring from this should mean the end of your career, because if they're good enough it should be up to the national team's manager as to whether they get picked or not. If they want to stop playing tfor their country then they should have to stop playing completely, not just get picky about when they play.

Terry, Shearer, Scholes and how many others have done it? Yet you get the feeling that even now players like Beckham, Zidane, Davids and the like would still play for their countries even though they've retired from club football.
 
shorehamview said:
A condition of being a professional footballer should be the duty to represent their country when called upon. Retiring from this should mean the end of your career, because if they're good enough it should be up to the national team's manager as to whether they get picked or not. If they want to stop playing tfor their country then they should have to stop playing completely, not just get picky about when they play.

Terry, Shearer, Scholes and how many others have done it? Yet you get the feeling that even now players like Beckham, Zidane, Davids and the like would still play for their countries even though they've retired from club football.
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Maybe we should have taken Beckham anyway? Couldn't have run around less than Gerrard and we had a couple of free kicks he might have popped in.
:)
 
Fiery Blade said:
Totally agree with Blader on this one (that may be a first!)
The FA have brought this upon themselves by forming the Premier League with its obscene wages, over hype, prima donnas, foreign coaches and so-called experts spouting b*llocks on Match of the Day !
We have a national side that basically would struggle to hold it's own in our own Premier League yet when its 'World Cup' time we have idiots who's only connection with football is 'Match of the Day' driving round with England flads stuck on each corner, huge flags of St George draped out of their house windows and an excuse to drink Tesco & Asda dry every time there's an England match on the telly.
Whilst for the majority of my life I have had to endure the dross served up at BDTBL the special moments eg Wembley 2014, Cup Runs 2003, Promotion 2007, Bassett Era in the 90's, Harris team of the early 70's have made it all worth while - give me the Blades anytime before England...........................thinking about it the fact they were on ITV last night summed it all up ITV Sport, Adrian Chiles and England Football team deserve one other - they are all sh!te !
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