Conor Coady

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Pleeeeeeeeeze come back Conor ,you love us,we love you !
No brainer m8,I know you read this board,only one more season in the pub league,then Championship,the Prince will be spending then,the Lane will be rockin'and you'll be our captain lifting the champ trophy,you'll be a legend in Sheff..our Gerrard !!
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Again, just rumours, tittle-tattle and gossip but apparently we too have our bid in for Coady and it's been accepted!?!?

950k is the figure quoted! :O

Which leads me to believe it's either bull or proper 'game-changing' stuff! :D

Hope we push it through in the face of stiff competition from Wolves...
 
What does "reportedly preparing to bid" mean?

I wouldn't be surprised if the "reports" came from Blades fans working themselves up into a frenzy.
 
Don't know what the problem is with how some of us view Wolves? Aren't they doing what we should be doing? If we want Coady then presumably we'll come in with a bid that his club find attractive? Same applies to Harry. If we're determined to secure him to a new agreement, we'll offer something that reflects our desire to keep hold of him. If we're half-hearted in our approach then we'll find that we lag behind other, more ambitious clubs.

It's moments like this that offer an insight into the reality of what this club wants for it's future. I recall having heard that we're no longer a selling club, which I've bought into. But while I won't panic, I'd also like to see a sign of our new regime's intention to strengthen the squad with proven talent, not simply adding player's bought at football's equivalent of a car boot sale. Nothing wrong with that if they turn out to be as good as Scougall, but a little balance would be nice, so alongside the bargain buys, retaining Harry's services would show that we have the ambition to match the club's fine words. Or is this a reality check for what's to come?

I could be having one of those moments that I thought was behind us, where another of our highly regarded home grown talent takes flight because this club seems content to poodle along without gritting it's teeth and acting like a club with ambition. If Harry left we'd survive, we always do, but is that it? I'm now sick and tired of looking at the fixture list and anticipating another season in this god-awful division.

I'd like to think I adopt a considered view of the club's affairs, but without know what finances are available to Clough, all I can do is respond to the figures bandied about, and hope Nigel has both the resources to secure those players he feels will become the backbone of this club's future, as well as the backing of the club to make this happen.
 
itsinyerblood said:
Don't know what the problem is with how some of us view Wolves? Aren't they doing what we should be doing? If we want Coady then presumably we'll come in with a bid that his club find attractive? Same applies to Harry. If we're determined to secure him to a new agreement, we'll offer something that reflects our desire to keep hold of him. If we're half-hearted in our approach then we'll find that we lag behind other, more ambitious clubs.

It's moments like this that offer an insight into the reality of what this club wants for it's future. I recall having heard that we're no longer a selling club, which I've bought into. But while I won't panic, I'd also like to see a sign of our new regime's intention to strengthen the squad with proven talent, not simply adding player's bought at football's equivalent of a car boot sale. Nothing wrong with that if they turn out to be as good as Scougall, but a little balance would be nice, so alongside the bargain buys, retaining Harry's services would show that we have the ambition to match the club's fine words. Or is this a reality check for what's to come?

I could be having one of those moments that I thought was behind us, where another of our highly regarded home grown talent takes flight because this club seems content to poodle along without gritting it's teeth and acting like a club with ambition. If Harry left we'd survive, we always do, but is that it? I'm now sick and tired of looking at the fixture list and anticipating another season in this god-awful division.

I'd like to think I adopt a considered view of the club's affairs, but without know what finances are available to Clough, all I can do is respond to the figures bandied about, and hope Nigel has both the resources to secure those players he feels will become the backbone of this club's future, as well as the backing of the club to make this happen.
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It might be down to Harry wanting to play at a higher level though mate...he's pretty much done the lot in L1 and I'm guessing it may well be down to release clause/promotion clause or length of contract...summat's up anyhow :(
 
Esablade said:
It might be down to Harry wanting to play at a higher level though mate...he's pretty much done the lot in L1 and I'm guessing it may well be down to release clause/promotion clause or length of contract...summat's up anyhow :(
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I get all the possibilities Esa, and it's crossed my mind about what I'd do in Harry's shoes. The thing is this though, the club know what every player's contract extend's to, so it's down to them to react in accordance with these facts. I look at other Boards and see real fire in their bellies, the sort of thing that makes me envious. I'd love united to act in a similar predatory manner when it came to signing other club's best players. No one is going to convince me that we can't compete, well not if the ambition and desire was there?

We have a great manager in Clough, I'm just a little concerned that his hands are tied and that's why he's looking further afield for bargain buys. I love the thought that we can pick up a player for next to nothing, but I was under the impression that things had changed at united?

Don't get me wrong, I've posted many times that a considered approach is healthy and in the best interests of SUFC. What does concern me is that this miserly approach has become habitual. I hope not, otherwise what is the point of the club? To remain in the lower ranks of the football league? To talk a good talk, but always to fall at the first hurdle? I could, mistakenly, be anticipating another player waving goodbye to us. If Harry does go then good luck to him, but what an indictment that would be of this club's intentions.
 
itsinyerblood said:
I get all the possibilities Esa, and it's crossed my mind about what I'd do in Harry's shoes. The thing is this though, the club know what every player's contract extend's to, so it's down to them to react in accordance with these facts. I look at other Boards and see real fire in their bellies, the sort of thing that makes me envious. I'd love united to act in a similar predatory manner when it came to signing other club's best players. No one is going to convince me that we can't compete, well not if the ambition and desire was there?

We have a great manager in Clough, I'm just a little concerned that his hands are tied and that's why he's looking further afield for bargain buys. I love the thought that we can pick up a player for next to nothing, but I was under the impression that things had changed at united?

Don't get me wrong, I've posted many times that a considered approach is healthy and in the best interests of SUFC. What does concern me is that this miserly approach has become habitual. I hope not, otherwise what is the point of the club? To remain in the lower ranks of the football league? To talk a good talk, but always to fall at the first hurdle? I could, mistakenly, be anticipating another player waving goodbye to us. If Harry does go then good luck to him, but what an indictment that would be of this club's intentions.
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I don't think this has much of a grasp of the realities of the impact of the game changing money that has come into the PL in the last year. The relegated clubs are coming down from the PL with £60M over 4 years. Next year, if we manage to get up, we could be faced with half a dozen teams with 10 times our budget. These are sums that leave the have-nots with tremendously difficult issues. If we give Harry a deal that we can't really afford what do we do with the next youngster that makes good?

We have to hope that we can hang onto Clough and that he can make the multimillion pound difference, it is possible, look at Burnley and Dyche this year but it is going to get ever more difficult as the odds against stack up. We have sort of got used to the idea that the PL clubs can hoover up all the young talent and let it fester in the reserves, the new reality may well be that a gang of yoyo clubs can cherry pick all the decent prospects from the lower championship and league 1. £60M a year minimum for a season in the PL plus £60M over 4 years for failure, that is not a sum that can be matched by a sane board of directors, it's bloody unhealthy that 2 of last seasons promoted teams had nutters in the boardroom (Cardiff and Hull) and so do 2 of this years in QPR and Leicester. If the PL is not going to enforce FL budget limits,which is what it is saying about QPR, then it will be seen as the green light for the 3 relegated clubs to flout the FL rules in order to ensure that they go up while the rest of the clubs are isolated.

This set up utterly stinks and I feel that only a dramatic act on the part of the FL has any long term chance of saving the unique depth of heritage for English football, namely to tell the PL to do one and refuse to accept relegated clubs from the PL into the the FL, while they are at it they can tell them to piss off with their scam to take all the best youngsters as well and their loathsome ideas for feeder clubs and b teams. The PL would become desperate viewing if the relegation issue was taken out of the mix with only 4 or 5 teams with anything to play for, viewing figures would fall and the money men would turn off the taps. Any team outside of the top 6 might as well be that bloody lot who used to turn out day after day to lose to the Harlem Globetrotters.

Of course there are risks with this, clubs could go bust, and the elite may well hook up with the other corporate teams from Europe to create a super league; but the spirit shown by the likes of Wimbledon, Accrington and others over the last few years shows that it takes a hell of a lot to kill passion for a football club and I for one would welcome the likes of Man City and Chelsea pissing off into a European cheats league. The huge positives are that it would allow clubs to retain their pride, a sense of control of their own destinies and generate real sporting competition rather than a competition based on bank balances, media hype and global billionaire prick waving.
 

I am wondering whether the Coady thing is a bargaining chip Wolves are going to use to secure Harry. You let us have Harry and you can have Coady type thing. This also might be why we are trying to get the McGinn deal done quickly.
 
Paulus said:
I don't think this has much of a grasp of the realities of the impact of the game changing money that has come into the PL in the last year. The relegated clubs are coming down from the PL with £60M over 4 years. Next year, if we manage to get up, we could be faced with half a dozen teams with 10 times our budget. These are sums that leave the have-nots with tremendously difficult issues. If we give Harry a deal that we can't really afford what do we do with the next youngster that makes good?

We have to hope that we can hang onto Clough and that he can make the multimillion pound difference, it is possible, look at Burnley and Dyche this year but it is going to get ever more difficult as the odds against stack up. We have sort of got used to the idea that the PL clubs can hoover up all the young talent and let it fester in the reserves, the new reality may well be that a gang of yoyo clubs can cherry pick all the decent prospects from the lower championship and league 1. £60M a year minimum for a season in the PL plus £60M over 4 years for failure, that is not a sum that can be matched by a sane board of directors, it's bloody unhealthy that 2 of last seasons promoted teams had nutters in the boardroom (Cardiff and Hull) and so do 2 of this years in QPR and Leicester. If the PL is not going to enforce FL budget limits,which is what it is saying about QPR, then it will be seen as the green light for the 3 relegated clubs to flout the FL rules in order to ensure that they go up while the rest of the clubs are isolated.

This set up utterly stinks and I feel that only a dramatic act on the part of the FL has any long term chance of saving the unique depth of heritage for English football, namely to tell the PL to do one and refuse to accept relegated clubs from the PL into the the FL, while they are at it they can tell them to piss off with their scam to take all the best youngsters as well and their loathsome ideas for feeder clubs and b teams. The PL would become desperate viewing if the relegation issue was taken out of the mix with only 4 or 5 teams with anything to play for, viewing figures would fall and the money men would turn off the taps. Any team outside of the top 6 might as well be that bloody lot who used to turn out day after day to lose to the Harlem Globetrotters.

Of course there are risks with this, clubs could go bust, and the elite may well hook up with the other corporate teams from Europe to create a super league; but the spirit shown by the likes of Wimbledon, Accrington and others over the last few years shows that it takes a hell of a lot to kill passion for a football club and I for one would welcome the likes of Man City and Chelsea pissing off into a European cheats league. The huge positives are that it would allow clubs to retain their pride, a sense of control of their own destinies and generate real sporting competition rather than a competition based on bank balances, media hype and global billionaire prick waving.
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Paulus, I can see how you might have arrive at the conclusion that I am unaware of the current state of play regarding the Premiership and it's finances. Let me correct you, not only am I aware, but you're not an isolated fount of knowledge when it comes to understanding the implications that exist for all clubs in all divisions.

The many mails I've posted have included the need for financial constraint, but that shouldn't be read as an acceptance that united should stagnate, expecting it's fan base to be happy with this state of affairs while muttering discontent beneath our breath. Your point is a fair one about where does the spending stop? Yes, Harry could leave, and we'd be a weaker side for losing him. So another home grown youngster comes along, just like Harry, and we're faced with exactly the same situation all over again etc, etc, etc.....the counter to this is what we were told by our co-owner, that life had changed, that what had happened was game changing, and in response to what was a silly over-reaction by a section of our supporter's that we'd have billions to spend/waste, we were told that it's not the equivalent of Man City, and that we need to view this as a Liverpool scale change. Fair enough, I can deal with that. I've been told a few things that appeared unambiguous, so I'll see what level of intent the board of directors have for SUFC.

I wouldn't advise financial ruin for united, neither would I suggest that we pay unrealistic levels of wages, but it was made clear that we wouldn't have to sell, yet here we are, in a place that we're all too familiar with.

Looking at SUFC's current position, we're actually in a good place, but only if we capitalise on what we have now, not tomorrow, not next season, but now, otherwise I think there's a strong possibility that we will lose our manager, and if Clough leaves, because the ambition of the club is on a par with a village pub quiz, then who could blame him? No one suggested that any of this was easy, or that there were simple solutions, but from what we've been lead to believe this is when we should be building for next season, not allowing our best players to leave. If the latter is the true face of united, then the chances of promotion being arrived at for next season will be reduced a few notches.

I kind of get why you liken us to Accrington and Wimbledon, but if that's the extent of what united have to look forward to, well, we'll have well and truly given up any hope of SUFC being able to achieve what Southampton, WBA, Crystal Palace, Swansea, or any number of Premiership or Championship sides have been able to do.

You and I may have to agree to disagree. I certainly don't want us to get burnt through stupid financial wheeling and dealing, equally I would hope that the changes we were promised are more than hot air. Either the Prince can make a difference or he can't.
 
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sheffielder said:
I am wondering whether the Coady thing is a bargaining chip Wolves are going to use to secure Harry. You let us have Harry and you can have Coady type thing. This also might be why we are trying to get the McGinn deal done quickly.
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Wolves have no say over Coady's future unless they buy him. Any number of other clubs could take Coady regardless of what United or Wolves talk about.

As for Harry - Foxy says it'll be Clough's decision. I think that says it all as far as I'm concerned. Every player has his value and Clough will only sell if it's the best thing for his agenda. In the past it's been the bank manager calling the tune.

If Harry wants to cash in and Clough doesn't want to force him to stay, then it'll be sad but less crushing than previous sales.
 
JohnDenver said:
Wolves have no say over Coady's future unless they buy him. Any number of other clubs could take Coady regardless of what United or Wolves talk about.

As for Harry - Foxy says it'll be Clough's decision. I think that says it all as far as I'm concerned. Every player has his value and Clough will only sell if it's the best thing for his agenda. In the past it's been the bank manager calling the tune.

If Harry wants to cash in and Clough doesn't want to force him to stay, then it'll be sad but less crushing than previous sales.
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They don't have a direct say, however they may pull out of any deal for deal for Coady if we let them buy Harry. Wolves have proved themselves too be dirty fuckers over the last year when it comes to transfers and admit to looking a contractual loop holes and taking advantage of players running into the last year of their contract Of course any club could buy Coady, however not that many have the cash to do so out of the teams who could offer Coady 1st team football.

In regards to 'it's not sad as previous sales' I personally totally disagree and think it would be insane. There is nothing game changing about selling one of your best players when you would get just as much under tribunal when his contract runs out.
 
JohnDenver said:
Wolves have no say over Coady's future unless they buy him. Any number of other clubs could take Coady regardless of what United or Wolves talk about.

As for Harry - Foxy says it'll be Clough's decision. I think that says it all as far as I'm concerned. Every player has his value and Clough will only sell if it's the best thing for his agenda. In the past it's been the bank manager calling the tune.

If Harry wants to cash in and Clough doesn't want to force him to stay, then it'll be sad but less crushing than previous sales.
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JohnDenver and Foxy, you chaps may both have a point. It may well be Clough's call as to whether Harry remains or leaves, but my concern is that as much as that seems a better position to be in, Nigel might only have the final word on this because he's caught between a rock and a hard place, (a) hold onto Harry in the hope that promotion happens this season or (b) sell him now, begrudgingly, and use the money received to try and plug a hole that Harry's departure would leave.

The point I'm making is that if all we ever do is sell our best players, then what are the realistic ambitions for this club? Yes, club's get cherry picked, Southampton (difference being they're in the Prem) seem to be in a similar position as I write, but do we make a few pithy statements saying that we've heard nothing from any interested parties, and then, a week or two later, find out that negotiations are well under way for the sale of another important player?

I don't expect anyone on here to answer that conundrum, but it's worth considering.
 
...would Coady get first team football at Wolves though? (could say same for Harry..?) they've got expensive players in those positions already...before we even get to who's 'better'...
 
itsinyerblood said:
JohnDenver and Foxy, you chaps may both have a point. It may well be Clough's call as to whether Harry remains or leaves, but my concern is that as much as that seems a better position to be in, Nigel might only have the final word on this because he's caught between a rock and a hard place, (a) hold onto Harry in the hope that promotion happens this season or (b) sell him now, begrudgingly, and use the money received to try and plug a hole that Harry's departure would leave.
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sheffielder said:
In regards to 'it's not sad as previous sales' I personally totally disagree and think it would be insane. There is nothing game changing about selling one of your best players when you would get just as much under tribunal when his contract runs out.
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Ultimately we may sell, yes. Despite everything we've heard about a new era. But we'll only sell Harry if the manager wants to*, or if Harry himself insists on going and forces the manager's hand. And this puts us in the same position as any buying club.

We can't ask for more than that can we?


*I'm accepting Foxy's informed opinion here.
 
While there's no denying the clubs with the big bucks have the advantage, I notice little Rovrums just done it , so what's our excuse ?
 
SandyMcBlade said:
While there's no denying the clubs with the big bucks have the advantage, I notice little Rovrums just done it , so what's our excuse ?
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Rotherham have done very well with a mix of prudence, community and philanthropy from Tony Stewart, can't knock it to be honest.
 
Really hope Coady signs for us, didn't rate him while Weir was in charge, but Clough got a lot more out of him by allowing him the freedom to roam forward & get involved. Hopefully the Clough factor will persuade him to pick us. Would be really weird seeing him play for someone else.
 
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