Wilder - 'January can't come soon enough'

[BalticBlade]

Wilder said this again after the match and it is a view that is being echoed by many Unitedites on this forum and on social media. This viewpoint conveys a confidence we just need to get to the January transfer window, then everything will be rosey again. There are a number of obvious issues with this narrative:

In saying 'January can't come soon enough' Wilder is effectively saying to the current squad that he has very little faith in them. If he honestly has so little faith in them, fair enough, but the reality is he has to continue working with this current group for at least another 10-16 games. These sorts of statements are unlikely to do much to lift the morale and confidence of a beleaguered group of players.

Secondly, the January window is a notoriously difficult one to do business in. Quite a significant overhaul of the squad is required (and being hinted at) but is it realistic that we can expect to do anywhere near this about of business in terms of the number of outgoings and incomings? We can assume the January transfer budget will be relatively modest, so it's hard to see how that can cover the sort of overhaul that is being alluded to/is required.

Another elephant in the room is the fact that, unless there are some major changes behind the scenes in between now and January, the same recruitment department that oversaw the disastrous summer transfer window and the signing of Cannon in January will be orchestrating January's recruitment drive. This doesn't instil or inspire much confidence.

In all likelihood by the time 1st January comes around we will still be mired in a relegation battle. You would assume this will make it even harder to attract the calibre of players needed to get us out of this mess.

Assuming Wilder gets his wish and there are a good deal of comings and goings in January, how long is it going to take him to get his new team/squad to 'gel'? Once 1st February comes around we'll only have 16 games left to save our season.

In summary, despite what Wilder and some of the fans say and think, it's highly unlikely January will be a golden bullet. In reality, it's not a case of 'January not coming soon enough', but the end of the season not coming soon enough.

 

[mattbianco1]

We've still got 10 games to play before January FFS

 

[TJ blade]

Wilder said this again after the match and it is a view that is being echoed by many Unitedites on this forum and on social media. This viewpoint conveys a confidence we just need to get to the January transfer window, then everything will be rosey again. There are a number of obvious issues with this narrative:

In saying 'January can't come soon enough' Wilder is effectively saying to the current squad that he has very little faith in them. If he honestly has so little faith in them, fair enough, but the reality is he has to continue working with this current group for at least another 10-16 games. These sorts of statements are unlikely to do much to lift the morale and confidence of a beleaguered group of players.

Secondly, the January window is a notoriously difficult one to do business in. Quite a significant overhaul of the squad is required (and being hinted at) but is it realistic that we can expect to do anywhere near this about of business in terms of the number of outgoings and incomings? We can assume the January transfer budget will be relatively modest, so it's hard to see how that can cover the sort of overhaul that is being alluded to/is required.

Another elephant in the room is the fact that, unless there are some major changes behind the scenes in between now and January, the same recruitment department that oversaw the disastrous summer transfer window and the signing of Cannon in January will be orchestrating January's recruitment drive. This doesn't instil or inspire much confidence.

In all likelihood by the time 1st January comes around we will still be mired in a relegation battle. You would assume this will make it even harder to attract the calibre of players needed to get us out of this mess.

Assuming Wilder gets his wish and there are a good deal of comings and goings in January, how long is it going to take him to get his new team/squad to 'gel'? Once 1st February comes around we'll only have 16 games left to save our season.

In summary, despite what Wilder and some of the fans say and think, it's highly unlikely January will be a golden bullet. In reality, it's not a case of 'January not coming soon enough', but the end of the season not coming soon enough.

Worrying post that mate, but spot on, and Bettis already alluded to us doing "our business" again at the end of the January window, which is even more concerning

 

[CPB]

Worrying post that mate, but spot on, and Bettis already alluded to us doing "our business" again at the end of the January window, which is even more concerning

I think there might be a bit more focus on bringing in a few towards the start given our predicament now, since he made that interview.

Unless we manage to pick up enough points to get us out of the relegation zone by then.

 

[Iffy Onuora's Shiny Head]

The next 3 games are imperative.

QPR, Pompy and Wednesday.

We desperately need 7 points from those games because I can't see many points from the games after based on current performances.

 

[TJ blade]

I think there might be a bit more focus on bringing in a few towards the start given our predicament now, since he made that interview.

Unless we manage to pick up enough points to get us out of the relegation zone by then.

Sorry mate, i wouldn't trust bettis With anything he says! Another one whats pinching a living at the club!

 

[3Cheers4Ramirez]

Need to sign as many experienced match ready championship players as possible

 

[FriethBlade]

Sorry mate, i wouldn't trust bettis With anything he says! Another one whats pinching a living at the club!

Im sure Bettis must be under immense pressure from the owners. They know nothing about football and will have trusted Bettis to oversee the running of the club. The fiasco of the managerial changes might be largely down to the owners but Bettis will have been involved and the recruitment debacle sits firmly under his watch

 

[BackPocket]

It's classic Wilder, let's be honest.

There has to be someone thrown under the bus, and it certainly won't be him.

I think throwing the full squad under the bus might be a step too far though.

 

[FriethBlade]

Wilder said this again after the match and it is a view that is being echoed by many Unitedites on this forum and on social media. This viewpoint conveys a confidence we just need to get to the January transfer window, then everything will be rosey again. There are a number of obvious issues with this narrative:

In saying 'January can't come soon enough' Wilder is effectively saying to the current squad that he has very little faith in them. If he honestly has so little faith in them, fair enough, but the reality is he has to continue working with this current group for at least another 10-16 games. These sorts of statements are unlikely to do much to lift the morale and confidence of a beleaguered group of players.

Secondly, the January window is a notoriously difficult one to do business in. Quite a significant overhaul of the squad is required (and being hinted at) but is it realistic that we can expect to do anywhere near this about of business in terms of the number of outgoings and incomings? We can assume the January transfer budget will be relatively modest, so it's hard to see how that can cover the sort of overhaul that is being alluded to/is required.

Another elephant in the room is the fact that, unless there are some major changes behind the scenes in between now and January, the same recruitment department that oversaw the disastrous summer transfer window and the signing of Cannon in January will be orchestrating January's recruitment drive. This doesn't instil or inspire much confidence.

In all likelihood by the time 1st January comes around we will still be mired in a relegation battle. You would assume this will make it even harder to attract the calibre of players needed to get us out of this mess.

Assuming Wilder gets his wish and there are a good deal of comings and goings in January, how long is it going to take him to get his new team/squad to 'gel'? Once 1st February comes around we'll only have 16 games left to save our season.

In summary, despite what Wilder and some of the fans say and think, it's highly unlikely January will be a golden bullet. In reality, it's not a case of 'January not coming soon enough', but the end of the season not coming soon enough.

Its just Wilders way of saying "not my fault gov". However as you say hes effectively throwing most if not all of the new players under the bus.

He also seems to conveniently forget that a good percentage of the players in the squad are his signings and that he marched in with a swagger that said 'Im back, dont worry the march up the table begins now'......and it didnt.

 

[Gimli]

If we’re writing off the season up until January then that’s a lot of points we’re throwing away - OK we’re throwing points away every game with stupid mistakes anyway but still…

 

[ChipButtyBlade]

Will he give Riedewald (sp) another contract when the current one runs out in Jan..i dont think he will..after watching him mark fresh air in the games he has played.

 

[SBSP]

"January can't come soon enough"

He's probably excited to waste what ever money we have on another Tom Cannon.

Great work Chris.

 

[FredZeppelin]

I think throwing the full squad under the bus might be a step too far though.

I think this is a great idea.....but I think a real bus is actually needed at the moment!

utb

 

[SwissBlade]

Wilder said this again after the match and it is a view that is being echoed by many Unitedites on this forum and on social media. This viewpoint conveys a confidence we just need to get to the January transfer window, then everything will be rosey again. There are a number of obvious issues with this narrative:

In saying 'January can't come soon enough' Wilder is effectively saying to the current squad that he has very little faith in them. If he honestly has so little faith in them, fair enough, but the reality is he has to continue working with this current group for at least another 10-16 games. These sorts of statements are unlikely to do much to lift the morale and confidence of a beleaguered group of players.

Secondly, the January window is a notoriously difficult one to do business in. Quite a significant overhaul of the squad is required (and being hinted at) but is it realistic that we can expect to do anywhere near this about of business in terms of the number of outgoings and incomings? We can assume the January transfer budget will be relatively modest, so it's hard to see how that can cover the sort of overhaul that is being alluded to/is required.

Another elephant in the room is the fact that, unless there are some major changes behind the scenes in between now and January, the same recruitment department that oversaw the disastrous summer transfer window and the signing of Cannon in January will be orchestrating January's recruitment drive. This doesn't instil or inspire much confidence.

In all likelihood by the time 1st January comes around we will still be mired in a relegation battle. You would assume this will make it even harder to attract the calibre of players needed to get us out of this mess.

Assuming Wilder gets his wish and there are a good deal of comings and goings in January, how long is it going to take him to get his new team/squad to 'gel'? Once 1st February comes around we'll only have 16 games left to save our season.

In summary, despite what Wilder and some of the fans say and think, it's highly unlikely January will be a golden bullet. In reality, it's not a case of 'January not coming soon enough', but the end of the season not coming soon enough.

I’m not sure anyone truly believes that January will solve all of our problems but it’s the first opportunity to get rid of players that we don’t want and bring in players that we do. Wilder will want players that suit his style, the usual hard working and disciplined players.

It also gives the opportunity to freshen up and bring in players to give some players a break

I don’t imagine it’ll be a lot of business, just enough to kick us on a bit more

Yesterday was encouraging in the first half, but losing Cooper at half time as well as Coventry getting a rocket at half time, the second half was never going to be easy.

The players don’t have the energy to last 90 mins and the strength from the bench just isn’t there, so it’s hard to keep the momentum going.

Yesterday more than most games we needed a Moore or a McBurnie.

Wilder also knows that his job depends on being able to do business in January.

We’ve been put into a mess by decisions in the summer. Jan will go a little way to patch things up but the complete job will take at least another 2 windows

 

[Dave]

This team is full of bottleless gits - wilder will want to bring in 6-7 players who will fight to the death and want to play. only 2/3 of our squad actually care and its shocking. The wilder team which got us promoted to the PL first time would absolutely batter this team 6/7 nil easy.

The summer transfer window has destroyed us in regards to not a single loan player is a game changer, first teamer, or bench ability currently

 

[54yrblade]

When we get away from 'fight to the death', buy some proper footballers and play intelligently, then we start to move forward.

What if CW can no longer inspire players to work even for 90 minutes and he's a parody of what he once was?

 

[steve26272]

Its just Wilders way of saying "not my fault gov". However as you say hes effectively throwing most if not all of the new players under the bus.

He also seems to conveniently forget that a good percentage of the players in the squad are his signings and that he marched in with a swagger that said 'Im back, dont worry the march up the table begins now'......and it didnt.

Of last nights starting 11, 7 are CW players. I would suggest Mee would be a Wilder type signing, Tanganga when played in his correct place is our best defender - so that leaves McG and Ogbene as the outliers.




of the subs, all bar Ings, another CW 'crocked but tries and was good once' type signing, are CW players.


If he started Brooks and Burrows instead of McG & Ogbene, its virtually his team, yet here we are with him saying he needs a window as the players are shite?!

 

[nopigfansintown]

We need around 20 points by January or else we're effectively down. The squad and even starting 16-17 players is unsalvageable. It's that bad. It's a dog fight in which every point is huge.

Wilder needs to find a way to increase the physical output so we can last longer in games. We can then grind out a few points more effectively so we aren't dead and buried by January. Half time and early second half changes are a strange necessity. You can't be too embarrassed to make them.

There's one player that is definitely underachieving in Burrows. He doesn't seem to be badly out of shape, he's just playing crap.If we can get him playing that can help a bit.

We have to pray that Cooper can play and that Campbell doesn't pick up a long term injury. As unfit, overweight and plainly annoying as he is he still looks our only goal threat in most games.

 

[DI36O]

This team is full of bottleless gits - wilder will want to bring in 6-7 players who will fight to the death and want to play. only 2/3 of our squad actually care and its shocking. The wilder team which got us promoted to the PL first time would absolutely batter this team 6/7 nil easy.

The summer transfer window has destroyed us in regards to not a single loan player is a game changer, first teamer, or bench ability currently

I wouldn't say Soumare is great but he's got a bit about him and doesn't look mentally shot like most do.
Godfrey, Barry, Bindon and to an extent Ogbene are all hall of fame level terrible loan signings who need to be back at their parent clubs before the fireworks are finished on 1st Jan.

 

[Pintor75]

Wilder said this again after the match and it is a view that is being echoed by many Unitedites on this forum and on social media. This viewpoint conveys a confidence we just need to get to the January transfer window, then everything will be rosey again. There are a number of obvious issues with this narrative:

In saying 'January can't come soon enough' Wilder is effectively saying to the current squad that he has very little faith in them. If he honestly has so little faith in them, fair enough, but the reality is he has to continue working with this current group for at least another 10-16 games. These sorts of statements are unlikely to do much to lift the morale and confidence of a beleaguered group of players.

Secondly, the January window is a notoriously difficult one to do business in. Quite a significant overhaul of the squad is required (and being hinted at) but is it realistic that we can expect to do anywhere near this about of business in terms of the number of outgoings and incomings? We can assume the January transfer budget will be relatively modest, so it's hard to see how that can cover the sort of overhaul that is being alluded to/is required.

Another elephant in the room is the fact that, unless there are some major changes behind the scenes in between now and January, the same recruitment department that oversaw the disastrous summer transfer window and the signing of Cannon in January will be orchestrating January's recruitment drive. This doesn't instil or inspire much confidence.

In all likelihood by the time 1st January comes around we will still be mired in a relegation battle. You would assume this will make it even harder to attract the calibre of players needed to get us out of this mess.

Assuming Wilder gets his wish and there are a good deal of comings and goings in January, how long is it going to take him to get his new team/squad to 'gel'? Once 1st February comes around we'll only have 16 games left to save our season.

In summary, despite what Wilder and some of the fans say and think, it's highly unlikely January will be a golden bullet. In reality, it's not a case of 'January not coming soon enough', but the end of the season not coming soon enough.

It's his way of saying "don't sack me, I can turn it around", by then it may be too late and he's wasted another few million on duds and we're still doomed, this is a tough time for the board, do they swallow their pride and get rid now, Southampton like or carry on with this poorly coached side till January. I'm just worried that Wilder will have health problems if this carries on, I can see him collapsing on the field, hope I'm wrong obviously, but how long do we and him carry on like this?

 

[Revolution]

Expect a January transfer window with our best players leaving (Gus I would have thought is certain to go) and more crap coming in.

A repeat of January 2011, basically.

COH will have given up by then and will be trying to raise money for league one.

 

[Wizard]

The narrative from some around Wilder genuinely baffles me. Seems like people just don't like him and don't want him here but I'd rather they say that rather than not accepting that he is ultimately a very good championship manager and has overachieved in every season he's been here bar COVID.

Nobody looks at this squad and thinks it's good enough so why complain when Wilder states the obvious?

Order of events:

• Wilder returns
• Lots of contracts expire leaving a threadbare squad
• Wilder builds a young top 3 championship squad with minimal investment while owners are looking to sell
• Wilder and new owners have disagreements on transfer strategy for the following season
• Wilder leaves
• New owners implement their transfer strategy which is shown to be woefully inadequate
• New owners panic and get some experienced heads in at the end of the window which means the squad is a bloated mess and those players are generally unfit which is why they're available
• New owners go back to Wilder to fix the mess they've made
• Wilder makes us more competitive in every game but realises there's major holes in the squad and we're on the losing end in tight games

Now we're hoping that we can be solid, pick up some points and then do good business in Jan.
But as the OP said the winter window is more limited. As with last year it will likely be a case of looking at out of favour players rather than number one targets

 

[joe casey]

Of last nights starting 11, 7 are CW players. I would suggest Mee would be a Wilder type signing, Tanganga when played in his correct place is our best defender - so that leaves McG and Ogbene as the outliers.
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of the subs, all bar Ings, another CW 'crocked but tries and was good once' type signing, are CW players.
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If he started Brooks and Burrows instead of McG & Ogbene, its virtually his team, yet here we are with him saying he needs a window as the players are shite?!

This is fine but conveniently forgets last season he had Anel, Souza, Souttar (for a bit), Arblaster (for a bit), Hamer, Rak-Sakyi, Brereton-Diaz, Choudary, Robinson, Moore and Brewster - all as starters or first names off the bench.

...as well as players like Burrows, Campbell and Cooper not playing like they've been lobotomised.


Yes there's plenty of his squad still here - but a large majority of the decent players have gone and been replaced by absolute low-level (or below the level) rubbish

 

[Roygbiv]

The biggest worry is how badly Wilders targets in the summer are doing. QPR fans want Dunne dropped, Darling is playing appallingly at Norwich and Mepham is in and out at West Brom. I'm really not sure much changes if we'd have brought those 3 in over what we have.

The recruitment is awful and has been for years. A few good signings last season when we had a bigger budget than most clubs doesn't change that. Hopefully he can pull some rabbits out of the hat but this idea everything will be fine in January isn't based on any evidence

 

[Tarqs]

The biggest worry is how badly Wilders targets in the summer are doing. QPR fans want Dunne dropped, Darling is playing appallingly at Norwich and Mepham is in and out at West Brom. I'm really not sure much changes if we'd have brought those 3 in over what we have.

The recruitment is awful and has been for years. A few good signings last season when we had a bigger budget than most clubs doesn't change that. Hopefully he can pull some rabbits out of the hat but this idea everything will be fine in January isn't based on any evidence

To be fair, judging by last Januarys window, I have full confidence in him....

 

[Harry's Game]

if / when we get relegated it should be an opportunity for a complete reset, Management, coaching staff, recruitment team..

I fear we won’t and it will be the “give them another chance to get us back up” approach in the summer.

 

[O Fletch]

I wonder if there is a budget for January? frees / loans? sell some to generate? COH chuck money at it?

Bit of wheeling and dealing to be done.

 

[Harry's Game]

I wonder if there is a budget for January? frees / loans? sell some to generate? COH chuck money at it?

Bit of wheeling and dealing to be done.

Bettis said in his RS interview the concentration will be on the loan market in January

 

[KMC-1889]

The Pinch pointed out that there are as many games left to the end of the Jan window (16) as there are between the end of the window and the end of the season (16).

we could genuinely be cut adrift by the time we get to January. Given the shit show of the last three windows are we really pinning our survival on the idea that these idiots will manage to successfully trade players when everyone knows we’re desperate?

I thought the reason for wilder coming back was that he’s a great man manager and he’d get them playing for the shirt? The only player that’s noticeably improved is O’Hare and that’s cause he’s not having to play around Hamer.