Michael Carrick

[shaun the blade 1961]

Good football but promotion unlikely

Basically what a large chunk on here wanted - but British

I think he has very good potential though and wouldn't be against it. We could do much worse

We could do better alsor in my opinion, Cooper or Dyche for me,

 

[Booker4]

Would take him over Dyche or sausage tbh

Seriously?! You'd take Carrick over Dyche with his cv of promotions and keeping Burnley up for years in the PL as opposed to Carrick with three seasons of mediocrity with decent backing at Boro? I don't honestly believe you mean that?!

Rohl is more debatable but as one other poster said I doubt Carrick keeps Wednesday up in that first season Rohl had or finished 12th with Wednesday.

 

[designedbyross]

I disagree there. Carrick with the pigs team probably gets relegated or finishes just above the drop. Rohl with that Middlesbrough team probably gets them into the play offs.

Carrick took Boro over from Wilder, they were 21st and ended up finishing 4th and failed in the playoffs? Subsequent seasons then saw a steady decline (8th and 10th), but they'd also sold Akpom, Archer etc.

 

[BalticBlade]

Carrick took Boro over from Wilder, they were 21st and ended up finishing 4th and failed in the playoffs? Subsequent seasons then saw a steady decline (8th and 10th), but they'd also sold Akpom, Archer etc.

But Wilder would have got them 92 points that season, had he been allowed to continue.

 

[Moan? Nope-I saw Longhorn]

I’ve mentioned before that I (accidentally) broke his leg by putting him through the advertising hoardings at Staveley MW in a pre season friendly whilst he was playing for Chesterfield on trial.

I assume we signed him the following week?

 

[Houston_Blade]

I assume we signed him the following week?

I think it was a year or so after we’d had him. I didn’t even realise it was him, I think I was 17 at the time and I was told after the game that he was ‘ex-Man Utd’ then I realised who it was.

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

It's Wednesday afternoon and over 96 hours since we stunk the place out for the 4th time this season...

Safe to say he's going to be here for the next game isn't he?

All well and good is debating Carrick or Bertie Vogts as manager, but is academic.

Looks like our Yank pay lords won't tolerate 3rd and loutish behaviour from the manager, but will tolerate ineptitude....

 

[Berkshire Blade]

Carrick is similar to Rohl based on what he's achieved so far imo, took a team that had better players than their league table position suggests higher up - which makes sense for us. They're both a bit underwhelming but most managers that don't have a job are, at least Rohl would be funny.

Carrick took Boro over from Wilder, they were 21st and ended up finishing 4th and failed in the playoffs? Subsequent seasons then saw a steady decline (8th and 10th), but they'd also sold Akpom, Archer etc.

Not that xg is the same as real points but when wilder got sacked they were massively underperforming on the expected goals. Then that akpom went on a career freak of a run.

 

[ThatJa]

I think if it was a done deal it would have been announced by now.

 

[Blade56]

It's Wednesday afternoon and over 96 hours since we stunk the place out for the 4th time this season...

Safe to say he's going to be here for the next game isn't he?

All well and good is debating Carrick or Bertie Vogts as manager, but is academic.

Looks like our Yank pay lords won't tolerate 3rd and loutish behaviour from the manager, but will tolerate ineptitude....

Not sure what to make of silence.

He might have been told he’s being replaced to being kept away from media while details sorted. COH are masters at secrecy, how many ITKers predicted 14 through the door? Best guess was 2/3 at best.

It might be he’s hunkered down with the team working hard on turning it around. Who knows we might lift off from here on in.

But the silence makes me nervous, whichever scenario he’s got to win or draw at a push to survive.

 

[prescotblade]

I don’t think rohl would come to the Lane. Suspect he would like a club where he had money to spend.
Although pull that one off and would most certainly make our neighbours pig sick

 

[bertieblade]

How much money do you think we have just spent?

 

[designedbyross]

Not that xg is the same as real points but when wilder got sacked they were massively underperforming on the expected goals. Then that akpom went on a career freak of a run.

Yeah they were, but I think pigs under Rohl also massively over-performed theirs? So swings and roundabouts when making the comparison.

 

[Blade58]

Not sure what to make of silence.

Better get used to it with these owners

 

[Moan? Nope-I saw Longhorn]

It's Wednesday afternoon and over 96 hours since we stunk the place out for the 4th time this season...

Safe to say he's going to be here for the next game isn't he?

All well and good is debating Carrick or Bertie Vogts as manager, but is academic.

Looks like our Yank pay lords won't tolerate 3rd and loutish behaviour from the manager, but will tolerate ineptitude....

Aye
A sum total of 4 games of “ineptitude” with no real backing regarding recruitment & shorn of approaching a dozen regular selections for the side that finished 3rd

How many inept performances did the “loutish…manager” preside over (facilitate), or indeed how many inept signings (& selections) was he responsible for?

 

[Champagneblade]

The concern with O’Neill is that he’s not shown any capacity to build or grow teams.

He’s taken teams that others have built and then after initial uptick, been replaced and then those replacements have gone on to outperform him.

 

[bertieblade]

Better get used to it with these owners

What do you expect them to say?

They made a statement when they first took over and nothing had changed since then

They have provided funds for the manager

Do every other clubs owners enter into dialogue with the fan base or do they leave the manager to communicate ?
If things happen to effect the manager they will communicate
If things happen with the structure of the club they will communicate
If things happen with any of the clubs assets, I.e Dore training ground they will communicate

Otherwise expect them to say nothing, or of course every week they could send out a press release saying nothing has happened of any consequence since we purchased the club

 

[Booker4]

Carrick took Boro over from Wilder, they were 21st and ended up finishing 4th and failed in the playoffs? Subsequent seasons then saw a steady decline (8th and 10th), but they'd also sold Akpom, Archer etc.

I'll give you that on Carrick. Wilder lost the dressing room and fans backing by all accounts up there after continuous flirtation with other jobs but the team was definitely much better than that, like we are now. Carrick dud well in that season but also they lost out to us and slipped in form when they looked a really strong shout for the top two but Hecky got us up instead and then they lost in the play offs.

He's still had very good backing at Boro and some very good players but not even made the play offs. In essence, it's not inspiring stuff and I think his next job should be a club like Bristol City and see how he does there.

 

[Brownieblade]

Seriously?! You'd take Carrick over Dyche with his cv of promotions and keeping Burnley up for years in the PL as opposed to Carrick with three seasons of mediocrity with decent backing at Boro? I don't honestly believe you mean that?!

Rohl is more debatable but as one other poster said I doubt Carrick keeps Wednesday up in that first season Rohl had or finished 12th with Wednesday.

Yes, I have seen Dyche football and I don’t want to see it tbh

I don’t want to just stay up in prem playing shite football and eventually going down

For me personally watching United is a treat to myself, it’s a cost I justify to myself and other half that I’m willing to pay despite the fact that we don’t have much money going around

If we start playing that style of direct football then not for me, if others are happy to be that for a few years before relegation then fine but it’s not for me

I want someone who might actually establish a style of football worth watching

 

[utd4ever]

The concern with O’Neill is that he’s not shown any capacity to build or grow teams.

He’s taken teams that others have built and then after initial uptick, been replaced and then those replacements have gone on to outperform him.

I thought Martin had well and truly retired.

 

[designedbyross]

I'll give you that on Carrick. Wilder lost the dressing room and fans backing by all accounts up there after continuous flirtation with other jobs but the team was definitely much better than that, like we are now. Carrick dud well in that season but also they lost out to us and slipped in form when they looked a really strong shout for the top two but Hecky got us up instead and then they lost in the play offs.

He's still had very good backing at Boro and some very good players but not even made the play offs. In essence, it's not inspiring stuff and I think his next job should be a club like Bristol City and see how he does there.

I don't disagree with any of that. I still just think him and Rohl are pretty similar in terms of what they've achieved so far, and think both are pretty underwhelming however they're probably the best of a bad bunch (who are free agents and achievable). Steve Cooper would be my first choice.

For the other convo, I don't really want Dyche either and would prefer Wilder back out of them two, but that's another can of worms!

 

[FredZeppelin]

I wonder if it's all just a case of us overthinking it in regard to trying to explain the new ownership's managerial choices?

It makes just as much sense to assume that they are just 'pulling a name out of a bag' and going with that, doesn't it? That would at least explain the Selles appointment. It'd also fit in with a Carrick suggestion. I can't believe anyone would actually 'advise' them to appoint Selles. On what basis?

'Fail fast'. Let's hope there are some serious names in the bag too. They might be plucking another one out of their arse by Christmas.

utb

 

[ancientblade]

too many strong rumours with carrick i think hes in if we lose at ipswich then bring him on the pitch for charlton home game

 

[A Storm of Blades]

I wonder if it's all just a case of us overthinking it in regard to trying to explain the new ownership's managerial choices?

It makes just as much sense to assume that they are just 'pulling a name out of a bag' and going with that, doesn't it? That would at least explain the Selles appointment. It'd also fit in with a Carrick suggestion. I can't believe anyone would actually 'advise' them to appoint Selles. On what basis?

'Fail fast'. Let's hope there are some serious names in the bag too. They might be plucking another one out of their arse by Christmas.

utb

You’re seriously suggesting that COH spent the best part of a year and £100m buying a professional football club, only to pull the name of a manager they want out of a hat? Does that seem likely?

 

[Rodley]

What do you expect them to say?

They made a statement when they first took over and nothing had changed since then

They have provided funds for the manager

Do every other clubs owners enter into dialogue with the fan base or do they leave the manager to communicate ?
If things happen to effect the manager they will communicate
If things happen with the structure of the club they will communicate
If things happen with any of the clubs assets, I.e Dore training ground they will communicate

Otherwise expect them to say nothing, or of course every week they could send out a press release saying nothing has happened of any consequence since we purchased the club

We’d settle for just a “Hello” at this rate.

 

[UddersBlade]

Would’nt be surprised at all they have already sounded out Carrick. He’d for their narrative of being a high profile person, well connected to big clubs & with experience managing in the Championship.

I’m not that excited about him though ….. he may get us up towards the play offs but would probably fall just short.

 

[Toronto Blade]

So the club signs loads of players, and then sack the manager?

Had to bring replacements to fill.last seasons empty spots.A new manager has had the ground work done for him with Jan window to bring in what he likes

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

Aye
A sum total of 4 games of “ineptitude” with no real backing regarding recruitment & shorn of approaching a dozen regular selections for the side that finished 3rd

How many inept performances did the “loutish…manager” preside over (facilitate), or indeed how many inept signings (& selections) was he responsible for?

Fucks sake. There's some reyt mongtards out there trying to appear contrarian and smart. Listened to too many podcasts and read the Guardian have we? Dozen regular starters?!?! We've lost Moore, Anel and Sousa.

Go on, 'expert', riddle me this.... He's had all Summer to get the squad that finished third last season set up and organised and playing Selles-ball. But a bunch of players who played most of last season now look like a disorganised an disinterested group who have scored 1 goal in 4 games (two which had zero shots on target).

If your answer is, it's the players fault, I've got some magic beans to sell you!

 

[loyalblade95]

The concern with O’Neill is that he’s not shown any capacity to build or grow teams.

He’s taken teams that others have built and then after initial uptick, been replaced and then those replacements have gone on to outperform him.

Would he really need to do that this season though, we'd be giving him a squad that has already been built, with a minimum of 2 players in every position.

Long term, yes, his inexperience in building a team of his own may be something we have to look at, but has he ever really had the opportunity to build his own team in his previous jobs?

Bournemouth gave him a ready made squad that just needed a manager to give them a style of play, and they sacked him for Iraola at the end of the season, harsh at the time but the right decision given how good Iraola has proven to be.

Pointed it out a few days ago, but O'Neil wasn't the first manager to complain about a lack of investment at Wolves, Lopetegui quit for the same reason.

Unless the Wolves Owners have changed their tune, I'd expect the new manager (Pereira?) to make similar comments before the end of the season.

 

[Bell4]

I'm now officially back in the "give Selles more time " camp.

Im just camp