How should SUFC accept for Tom Cannon?

[Tarqs]

Ah the all knowing never wrong Deadbat has spoken. It was reported at the time that the AI and Cannon signings were made by the BOARD.

Reported by who exactly?

 

[Tarqs]

Quotes at the time:

Wilder says Cannon is someone he's tracked for a while and is a signing which ticked all the boxes. He said: "It's a super signing for us. Somebody we have tracked for a long time and known about for a long time. He's a young hungry player, position specific, we needed someone who could play on the shoulder and stretch the game, which he does.

“I thank the board and the co-chairmen for the backing and support”

“I’m delighted with the support and backing I’ve had from the (new) owners (the COH Sports consortium). They have wanted to support me to continue in the race for a successful season.”

Bettis ; The 22-year-old striker was on the club’s radar in the summer (of 2024) but was unattainable under the previous ownership. The new guys listened to Chris and were really supportive of it’.

BOARD PURCHASE

 

[true99blade]

You can 100% guarantee if this signing had actually worked it would’ve been CW’s doing getting him in. People seem to think it’s common knowledge this was entirely the owners’ signing. Despite Wilder’s interest far before them taking ownership.

 

[Barmyblade]

The Board would obviously need to sanction any deal. But the reports at the time (and indeed in July 2024) certainly suggested he had been a target since before COH bought the club, and that Wilder identified him as a player we should consider. Can’t see any mention of AI in the context of Cannon nor him being a board suggestion.

 

[Barney Rubble]

Darren Smith is still convinced the owners wanted him and it was not Wilder who asked for Cannon.

When people have rightly said we were interested in him the previous summer before the owners took over (Wilder thus the only constant), he has said it was still the previous owners that wanted him but when the takeover stalled and they were not in place, we had to pull out in August at the end of the window.

Some believe this on twitter/X.

Thoughts? Stop laughing.

Wilder will go down as one of our greatest ever managers post war (maybe 3rd behind Bassett and Harris) but the buys of Brewster and Cannon has literally been 30 million+ down the toilet.

Do I believe this? No, I think Wilder wanted him.

However, I think that the board wanted him as well.

Firstly, Wilder was probably not the only constant, I think Des Taylor was involved as well.

Then, in early post-match interviews when Cannon turned in his usual poor performances, Wilder sometimes referred to his stats were good as one of his reasons why he would come good, suggesting AI analysis had played some part in the decision to sign him.

I also think that as new owners, they will have wanted to make a statement signing and as much as we needed a big bastard centre half that doesn't have the glamour that a 'goal scoring' forward does.

I don't think this is necessarily all on Wilder.

 

[SUFC Guy]

(Should a bid come in for him)

Alternatively if you'd be happy to send him out on loan with us paying some of his wages or think we should rebuff any approaches state separately.

I think it's not working for him here so a six month loan move somewhere to get some confidence could be a good thing if it can be arranged.

Where's the option to offer him a new contract on improved terms ffs?

 

[Brownieblade]

We have just reportedly spent 3 million or near on a future CB prospect

To spend 4 million on a future striker, even if it hasn’t worked out yet

So to answer the question, I wouldn’t and would loan out One instead if we were to loan a striker out

 

[Bladesince59]

Loan him to Donny in exchange fro Bill. I think I know who would score more in the Champ.

 

[georgebernardshaw]

(Should a bid come in for him)

Alternatively if you'd be happy to send him out on loan with us paying some of his wages or think we should rebuff any approaches state separately.

I think it's not working for him here so a six month loan move somewhere to get some confidence could be a good thing if it can be arranged.

Where’s the “leave it to the club” button?

Rhetorical question.

 

[10p]

Apart from the obvious ‘he has hardly scored any goals’, I find it disappointing that when their goalie has the ball at his feet Cannon doesn’t actually put any pressure on him. Compare that to Birmingham’s first where Grey charged very fast at Dovy causing him to panic and mess up the back pass.

 

[DronnieBlade]

His market value will most probably have plummeted. Don’t ask me why

If it was ME making the decision, any sum north of £1m would be acceptable.

The club would want at least £5m. So he’ll be staying.

Unfortunately !!

UTB

 

[Brownieblade]

Loan him to Donny in exchange fro Bill. I think I know who would score more in the Champ.

Billy would still be playing in championship if other clubs agreed

 

[Barmyblade]

Do I believe this? No, I think Wilder wanted him.

However, I think that the board wanted him as well.

Firstly, Wilder was probably not the only constant, I think Des Taylor was involved as well.

Then, in early post-match interviews when Cannon turned in his usual poor performances, Wilder sometimes referred to his stats were good as one of his reasons why he would come good, suggesting AI analysis had played some part in the decision to sign him.

I also think that as new owners, they will have wanted to make a statement signing and as much as we needed a big bastard centre half that doesn't have the glamour that a 'goal scoring' forward does.

I don't think this is necessarily all on Wilder.

I’d be interested to see the quotes from Wilder using data to support Cannon - especially given 1) his stats are not great and 2) Wilders quote earlier this year that “Stick your data where you want to stick your data”.

The quotes I have seen from Wilder instead all refer to his potential. But I have probably forgotten other quotes - and I would never criticise a manager for publicly supporting a player.

I’m no fan of COH and they have an increasing list of questions to answer. I’m just not sure this is one of them.

 

[s20Blade]

With how long it takes this board to replace positions I'd risk keeping him.

 

[Roygbiv]

There's enough genuine reasons to why you might think Wider shouldn't have been sacked without needing to resort to pretending you think Cannon was a board signing.

He made a signing that hasn't worked out yet because he's a football manager who sometimes make mistakes. It's really, really odd that people won't accept he simply made a bad signing (so far)

 

[Tom Bott]

It unfortunately was £10m rising to £13m with clauses (not many of which he's likely to hit)

Source? or rumour.

Clue one internet post does not create a fact.

The only fact we have is from the club itself.

United have made a second significant signing of the January transfer window after agreeing a substantial undisclosed fee for a striker with international pedigree.

 

[JD88]

Was never for this signing when it was first mentioned, just never seen why he was so highly rated, including when he played for Stoke last year he was dreadful at the Lane and got dragged at ht, admittedly them behind him weren't much better. . The games he has played he has largely been poor , couple of games his movement has been decent (Burnley away, Blackburn home for an hour) and they haven't played him the pass. He also looked better in a 2 rather than on his own up front. Shoehorning him onto the wing as we have seen this season is scandalous. Last January they need a Campbell replacement IE someone with pace, and still do. So if we could get most if not all the money back you would sell him and look get a pacy striker as well as the Moore replacement we still haven't signed.

 

[Houston_Blade]

More chance of someone buying the club from COH than there is of Cannon being sold for a fee. Freebie at the end of his deal is the best case scenario.

 

[Roygbiv]

Quotes at the time:

Wilder says Cannon is someone he's tracked for a while and is a signing which ticked all the boxes. He said: "It's a super signing for us. Somebody we have tracked for a long time and known about for a long time. He's a young hungry player, position specific, we needed someone who could play on the shoulder and stretch the game, which he does.

“I thank the board and the co-chairmen for the backing and support”

“I’m delighted with the support and backing I’ve had from the (new) owners (the COH Sports consortium). They have wanted to support me to continue in the race for a successful season.”

Bettis ; The 22-year-old striker was on the club’s radar in the summer (of 2024) but was unattainable under the previous ownership. The new guys listened to Chris and were really supportive of it’.

It's crazy some people will read these quotes and still not change their mind that it was a player Wilder wanted. All because they've built a narrative in their head that they are too wrapped up in

 

[Houston_Blade]

It's crazy some people will read these quotes and still not change their mind that it was a player Wilder wanted. All because they've built a narrative in their head that they are too wrapped up in

Wilderites are a weird bunch!

 

[Vass Borbokis]

He looked lively as a wide forward in pre-season. Not sure that wouldn't be a better position in our system for him.

That was against poor opposition.
He has been tried there already this season and it didn't go well.

 

[Roygbiv]

Wilderites are a weird bunch!

He was an excellent manager for us who will go down as one of our greatest ever managers. He made mistakes though. I'm not sure why people can't accept that when even he himself would

Other people just want to use it as a stick to beat the new board as if there isn't enough to use already

 

[steve26272]

It's crazy some people will read these quotes and still not change their mind that it was a player Wilder wanted. All because they've built a narrative in their head that they are too wrapped up in

Wilder wanted him, his extended new contract came within 4 days of Cannon joining - was there a side convo around I need to get this lad in, trust me?

The board believed in CW, and supported him by spending big on a striker who cant score and will probably leave on a free at end of contract as no one will buy him (sound familiar?) New owner, same outcome.

Wonder if COH been goosed like this was another nail in the CW coffin?

 

[Vass Borbokis]

It would be interesting to see how he performed if we actually played to his strengths

What are these strengths of his?

 

[HOT CURRIE 10]

BOARD PURCHASE

WILDER SUPPORTER. Don’t blame Chrissy for anything,nothing,Zero.

 

[Tarqs]

WILDER SUPPORTER. Don’t blame Chrissy for anything,nothing,Zero.

BOARD!!! BORD!!! BOTH OF EM.

 

[BigBed]

Was the OP drinking:
A, 3 Hammers
B, White Lightening
C, Kestrel Super
D, MD 20/20

when starting this thread??

 

[Deadbat]

Ah the all knowing never wrong Deadbat has spoken. It was reported at the time that the AI and Cannon signings were made by the BOARD.

If you believe that Wilder did not want him in January or last summer when he tried to sign him (he admits he had tracked him for a long time in the quote when we signed - even before the new owners even came in) then that is fine but what are you basing that on (other than Darren Smith saying it - someone who admits he has no links to these current owners at all so how would he know if Wilder wanted him or not)?

I think it's a real push to suggest Wilder did not want him based on the evidence under TWO OWNERS where he was linked with him both times and that this was a board initiated signing when Wilder had been continually linked with him.

Surely Wilder would have said he did not want him if that was the case - certainly for that much money - the AI signings were different as not expected to be 1st team players. He must have agreed? Did the board make the signings of BBD, Choudhury, Holding, Clarke etc or were these Wilder signings? I genuinely don't know but not sure we can say that certain signings were initiated by the manager/board and vice versa.

Wilder has to take a large share of the blame for a really poor signing in my opinion and think knows if he had his time again he would have made much better use of the January window.

 

[HOT CURRIE 10]

BOARD!!! BORD!!! BOTH OF EM.

Or BORED.

 

[Tarqs]

Or BORED.

HIM ASWELL, GERRIM OUT.