Culture

[The Crab]

Holding out for the Football League Trophy.

Won’t be long at this rate…

 

[TJ blade]

Blimey, at this rate it's the best brag we'll have for the next hundred years so don't knock it.

It's all we've got... oh sorry I nearly forgot Darlington away... ambition eh.

 

[robbiez666]

Won’t be long at this rate…

You be worse, could be the FA Vase.

 

[Camden Blade]

Don't forget the old Division Four trophy in 81/82. Champions of League One and old Division Four, you'll never say that.

 

[Houston_Blade]

"parochial" looks to be turning into a bit of a buzz word on here at present?

It’s alright, people can use a dictionary if it confuses them.

 

[Nagima]

Culture is the collective programming of the mind that distinguishes one group of people from another group.

History, economics, traditions, values, and power distributions are some of the elements. In a business sense it is heavily influenced from the top. The owners, board, manager and coaching staff. Successful business usually have strategy and an aligned structure. Here is where we want to go and here is how we get there, is the strategy part. Getting everyone on board and pulling in the same direction is the alignment bit.

Bassett, Warnock and Wilder were successful because they were authentic. What you saw is what you get. They were strong enough to stick by their principles and they communicated clearly to the team. The power of the manager has been waning over the last 20 years. That is fine if you have a DOF and a plan. He is the link between the owners and the manager.

A positive culture that allows a team to perform at their best, evolves over years of consistent reinforcement. The club can be built up over years but can be destroyed in a season.

The board haven't communicated a plan. They hardly communicate at all. Selles has his opinions and a vision of how he wants to play. The team has been weakened. The team unity seems to be lacking. The fans are getting frustrated. Last season built expectation, as we competed at the top of the table. This season is getting toxic already as we expected to be competitive this season, finishing in the top 6.

We have until the end of the transfer window to get an adequate squad, that can compete for a top 6 position. The manager may be gone by that time though. And we got back to the drawing board.

 

[luffenhamblade]

Culture is the collective programming of the mind that distinguishes one group of people from another group.

History, economics, traditions, values, and power distributions are some of the elements. In a business sense it is heavily influenced from the top. The owners, board, manager and coaching staff. Successful business usually have strategy and an aligned structure. Here is where we want to go and here is how we get there, is the strategy part. Getting everyone on board and pulling in the same direction is the alignment bit.

Bassett, Warnock and Wilder were successful because they were authentic. What you saw is what you get. They were strong enough to stick by their principles and they communicated clearly to the team. The power of the manager has been waning over the last 20 years. That is fine if you have a DOF and a plan. He is the link between the owners and the manager.

A positive culture that allows a team to perform at their best, evolves over years of consistent reinforcement. The club can be built up over years but can be destroyed in a season.

The board haven't communicated a plan. They hardly communicate at all. Selles has his opinions and a vision of how he wants to play. The team has been weakened. The team unity seems to be lacking. The fans are getting frustrated. Last season built expectation, as we competed at the top of the table. This season is getting toxic already as we expected to be competitive this season, finishing in the top 6.

We have until the end of the transfer window to get an adequate squad, that can compete for a top 6 position. The manager may be gone by that time though. And we got back to the drawing board.

Agree except it must be top 2 to improve on last year.

 

[Youngand70]

Won’t be long

'Transition' is the word the cool kids are using, the Gaffer thinks it's great, uses it all the time

The best transition I can remember was at 14 going from non alcoholic drinks to Stones, Wards, Whitbread and Magnet. Certainly made shit games more bearable.

 

[Maurice Maurice]

The best transition I can remember was at 14 going from non alcoholic drinks to Stones, Wards, Whitbread and Magnet. Certainly made shit games more bearable.

I live in the States now and most days I would kill for a few old school pints of the English beers of my youth. John Smiths bitter and/or a few pints of Magnet would see me die a happy man

 

[Houston_Blade]

yes, but it's not really a trophy to brag about.

We still talk about the ‘Triple Assault’ season like things don’t get any better. Why be happy failing in 1 domestic competition when you can glorify failing in all 3?

 

[jono_t2000]

I agree we have a lack of culture carriers at the club.

Whilst Wilder's tactical ability can be questioned, his man management and enforcement of culture within club cannot be underestimated.

But the key question is, why do we perform so poorly without that emphasis of culture, many other clubs change their manager and playing squad regularly without as much impact as it has on us.

Were we overperforming due to that emphasis on culture, maybe our overall squad ability isn't as good as we think it is

 

[robbiez666]

We still talk about the ‘Triple Assault’ season like things don’t get any better. Why be happy failing in 1 domestic competition when you can glorify failing in all 3?

I agree we have a lack of culture carriers at the club.

Whilst Wilder's tactical ability can be questioned, his man management and enforcement of culture within club cannot be underestimated.

But the key question is, why do we perform so poorly without that emphasis of culture, many other clubs change their manager and playing squad regularly without as much impact as it has on us.

Were we overperforming due to that emphasis on culture, maybe our overall squad ability isn't as good as we think it is

Clubs can change manager and players regular because they retain the same system/ethos/style of play.

Selles has been tasked with changing all those and has not yet been given the players who can work with it.

 

[GeorgeDonis1889]

And the Yorkshire and Humberside cup in the late eighties…

Don't forget the Steel City Cup in 1996. 30 year anniversary next August.

 

[United Aren't Back.]

The kind of trophy fans of Barcelona, PSG and Bayern can only dream of.

Division 4 champs 1982. Great season.

 

[I should coco]

Plucky little Sheffield United, spending the vast majority of our time soldiering away in the Championship. The occasional brief foray into the top division or slightly longer journeys down into L1 until normal service is eventually resumed. Keep doing the same things we’ve always done and accept that nobody from outside “gets us”. Maintain the old pals act at all costs because when we’ve gambled on doing things differently we’ve always done it half heartedly so clearly it can’t ever work no matter what. No matter how much football has changed we won’t. Just keep plodding along forever and ever.

Put like thar, nobody can really argue against 'change;.

The trouble is, we don't seem to have a masterplan, to do it in a structured way. We apparently have a group of chancers (including a poker plater), using us as a rich man's plaything. What is their AI strategy, and do they even know themselves? What funding do we have? Is there a plan to appoint a DoF and a well resourced scouting team, or is Bettis going to carry on wearing lots of hats?

Then they appoint a young manager with a patchy track record, whose 'suxxess' is to help a couple of clubs to stay up.

I'll happily vote for the 'change' option, if it is clear credible and financially sound, so please tell me where to put my X

 

[ATL Recs]

3 games in and I think it’s not just poor recruitment or a new manager who are the crux of the problem alone, but I think none of them understand the culture of the club is a big part of it.

I sensed a big disconnect been the United personnel and the fan base at Swansea yesterday. It appeared most of the side are either not good enough or just going through the motions and it’s worrying.

Throughout the years I’ve supported United there has been one prerequisite and that is that the players do everything with purpose on the front foot, be it defending or attacking. It’s not just a hoofwaffe mindset as good football is always appreciated, but just a bit of identity and something we are lacking at the minute.

In the past Bassett got it, Warnock, Wilder and Hecky too. It made great players out of footballers who might not have had the most ability but got the very best out their careers. The Wilder teams between 2016 and 2020 epitomised this as they was a collection of footballers who with the greatest of respect might not have been the most talented set of players who have ever represented the Blades but who through their mentality was very much a team where the total exceeded the sum total of its components.

I’ve been really disappointed with Selles as I really wanted him to be a success and I didn’t disagree with the parting of ways with Wilder although I’d have given him a dozen games at the start of this season. It feels like that he wants to shape a team according to his footballing principles rather than fitting what he has inherited in to a formation that suits the tools he already has, and this was the same mistake that Jokanovic made.

I also think our new owners are making a big mistake with their lack of visibility and engagement with the fan base. The Prince wasn’t great at this either but we always knew what his intentions were and what he wanted to achieve. I’m not demanding a constant presence but this disconnection between the ownership and fan base isn’t constructive at all.

It also feels that they want to completely change how things are done at this club, and they own it and are liberty to do what they want with it but completely trying to change the structure isn’t working or productive, especially this shift to AI scouting, even more so that we already had once of the most successful and productive youth systems in English Football and it’s senseless to completely change the recruitment in to that.

I walked out of Swansea and said to my lad this has got a relegation season written all over it. Not being overly dramatic, and I hope I’m wrong but I the signs are there and clear for all to see, and it feels like the board have done a lot more harm than good since last December

Do you know how AI works ? the problem with AI is what humans want from it
Sport - It’s used worldwide in football and in the English league by every club in some way

 

[deplorable]

It’s alright, people can use a dictionary if it confuses them.

Selles may need to borrow your dictionary, sounds like he could be struggling a bit?

“We know how it works and I can ask them to be calm. But they are going to tell me, probably, ‘F*** off’ – something like that, no?

“It’s how you say in English? Sorry for my English, but I didn’t know any better way to express that one.”

 

[Houston_Blade]

Selles may need to borrow your dictionary, sounds like he could be struggling a bit?

“We know how it works and I can ask them to be calm. But they are going to tell me, probably, ‘F*** off’ – something like that, no?

“It’s how you say in English? Sorry for my English, but I didn’t know any better way to express that one.”

Dem pesky forrins

 

[Slim Man]

Selles may need to borrow your dictionary, sounds like he could be struggling a bit?

“We know how it works and I can ask them to be calm. But they are going to tell me, probably, ‘F*** off’ – something like that, no?

“It’s how you say in English? Sorry for my English, but I didn’t know any better way to express that one.”

Could you try and get the point across he's trying to make in Spanish?

 

[programmechap]

This is part of it really isn't it, do we just admit defeat and appoint yet another manager who needs to 'get it' - even though 'it' has produced no success within my lifetime, nor does it ever look likely to do so?

There is absolutely no reason that a different style can't be successful at this club. There's nothing special about us as a football club however much people want to think so, it's just another of those that need to look for a different way of doing things if it wants to actually make a name for itself again. All the evidence suggests that by carrying on the usual merry-go-round of traditional management will have us somewhere middling at the top end of the Championship.

What it needs is to be well-funded to be a success. It's on COH to make this a success. Maybe it won't happen within 12 months. It's such a big sea-change in approach that it may well need time to embed. Whilst there is an obvious need for short term results to keep us competing there should also be an element of patience from the fans. Wailing and screaming because we've lost a couple of games isn't doing anyone any good at all.

Yesterday wasn't that different to some of the away games last year with a better team. Maybe, just maybe, give it a chance before getting the pitchforks out.

Depends what you mean by "success" . Since 2018, every season we've either been the PL or in the top 5 of the championship.

Historically you'd have to go back 69-76 for a better 7 year period.

So for anyone under 55 , this is the highest level united have played at for a sustained period

 

[programmechap]

If Brooks had knocked that 70th minute shot a foot wider of the keeper's leg, we would have seen last season a great success.

It seems strange that on such a small thing should mean the club needs a massive cultural overhaul.

 

[Slim Man]

Let's get some proper gritty British and Irish lads in. Go and see if QPR are willing to do a deal for Jimmy Dunne and go from there.

 

[Wards]

Depends what you mean by "success" . Since 2018, every season we've either been the PL or in the top 5 of the championship.

Historically you'd have to go back 69-76 for a better 7 year period.

So for anyone under 55 , this is the highest level united have played at for a sustained period

My idea of success would be a sustained period in the PL or heaven forbid, a cup success. No reason we shouldn't be able to given how other clubs of a similar ilk have made a fist of it.

 

[programmechap]

My idea of success would be a sustained period in the PL or heaven forbid, a cup success. No reason we shouldn't be able to given how other clubs of a similar ilk have made a fist of it.

I agree with that. But, given the fact that many and varied owners and managers have failed at that over 50 years, I'm not holding my breath.

 

[deplorable]

Dem pesky forrins

Don't be like that, you were offering such good advice about using a dictionary as well.

 

[deplorable]

Could you try and get the point across he's trying to make in Spanish?

No point, they are not my words, they have been stated by someone else that has chosen to use them.