Player Suggestion Ben Godfrey

[Weasel]

Loans are fine from a financial perspective and in that sense they make a lot of sense. You also get to try before you buy etc and aren't committing yourself to long term financial packages. Loans have plenty of merit for a club like ours.

Down side to Loans. You are not bringing in players that are owned by the club, are improving players who will ultimately benefit the parent club and their finances, and there is no longer term planning as they could all have gone again in the summer. Also, the players might not be so bought into the clubs results as they know they have gone in the summer and can often coast through games knowing they aren't really affected with the final position in the league. See McAtee as an example (quite understandable) whn he knew the game was up and the club was going down.

Conclusion, a mixture of loans and permanents is the way to go. So far this summer we are overly reliant on loan transfers. Need some permanent.

 

[PaddysMad]

Did he play for England? I don’t mind it just you just know he’ll get injured.

 

[Dave]

Re the Ipswich game time. We have no idea whether there was a clause in his loan which meant if he played a certain amount of games or minutes he would have to be bought for X amount of money, regardless of relegation.

 

[Tongeincheek]

Everton fans seem to think he was brilliant but caught covid and hasn't been anywhere near as good.

Yeah I was curious to find out when he turned shite. So had a look on their forum (sorry to step on your toes a bit Roy!) and in 2021 they were adamant that he was their best defender and they loved him. This is when he got both his England caps too.
Then in 2022 they are saying he’s not good enough, and in 2023 they hated him.

Since then he’s played 4 league games in two years… this feels like it’d be an awful move for us.

 

[Moan? Nope-I saw Longhorn]

Re the Ipswich game time. We have no idea whether there was a clause in his loan which meant if he played a certain amount of games or minutes he would have to be bought for X amount of money, regardless of relegation.

Aye
Pretty low ‘threshold’ mind:-
He made 5 appearances 1 of which was as a substitute (total of 333 minutes) from January with 2 of the starts against lower league opponents in the FA Cup.

 

[Dave]

Aye
Pretty low ‘threshold’ mind:-
He made 5 appearances 1 of which was as a substitute (total of 333 minutes) from January with 2 of the starts against lower league opponents in the FA Cup.

Absolutely low threshold. Another reason could be that Ipswich knew they were down and needed a fee from relegated players, or even game time clauses in their own "owned" players so played them instead.

Or...he could be dogwank

 

[Moan? Nope-I saw Longhorn]

Absolutely low threshold. Another reason could be that Ipswich knew they were down and needed a fee from relegated players, or even game time clauses in their own "owned" players so played them instead.

Or...he could be dogwank

On balance, I’m tending towards the latter hypothesis

 

[Broomhall Blade]

Absolutely low threshold. Another reason could be that Ipswich knew they were down and needed a fee from relegated players, or even game time clauses in their own "owned" players so played them instead.

Or...he could be dogwank

I think dogwank might be nearer the truth.
I doubt there would have been a clause if he plays more than 4 games you pay us an extra million or you have too sign him permanently.
Also why has he not played that much for Atalanta unless they have a similar clause.

 

[Dave]

I think dogwank might be nearer the truth.
I doubt there would have been a clause if he plays more than 4 games you pay us an extra million or you have too sign him permanently.
Also why has he not played that much for Atalanta unless they have a similar clause.

In regards to Atalanta, id say it's because their back three is currently quite good and he can't get in.

 

[Kozzy_is_my_Dad]

Replacing Anel with Ben Godfrey is a pretty big downgrade.

And it's another permanent out, loan in.

Very little future proofing going off.

We can't have 2 starting CB as loans with not one senior CB here next season. He's not very good. If we could sign him for a couple of million it's worth a punt. Otherwise, just storing up issues for a later date.

No thanks. Don't rate him.

And can we potentially start to look at bringing in a permanent player or two rather than every fuka coming in on loan? I don't have an issue with loan transfers per se, as they have their benefits, but perhaps a mix of the two would be of benefit.... just a thought United.

This, this and this. FFS YOONITED.

 

[gannonsrightfoot]

Please I beg do not sign Godfrey. If anyone from the club reads this please not Godfrey.

 

[Blade58]

No thanks. Don't rate him.

And can we potentially start to look at bringing in a permanent player or two rather than every fuka coming in on loan? I don't have an issue with loan transfers per se, as they have their benefits, but perhaps a mix of the two would be of benefit.... just a thought United.

Loans do have benefits no doubt about it. My beef with loans is when we sell our permanent signings (especially for big money) and replace with a loan. That doesn’t sit well with me.

Rightly or wrongly I just see it as a race to the bottom

 

[Bergen Blade]

Re the Ipswich game time. We have no idea whether there was a clause in his loan which meant if he played a certain amount of games or minutes he would have to be bought for X amount of money, regardless of relegation.

Thrown into a back five against Man City. Judging by highlights seemed like an open game and in the end Ipswich couldn't keep City out. Against Spurs he played right back in a back four and failed to stop Son on two occasions as he set up two goals.

Pace was/is his strength, but those highlights showed he can be turned and he may be the type who has relied too much on his pace growing up. He won't be facing the likes of Doku and Son every week in the Championship though. If he signs, hopefully he'll be able to regain his confidence and perform more consistently. It would be nice to have some more pace at the back if we're going to defend higher up the pitch this season. I'm not quite sure about Bindon's pace. Jake Beesley seemed to run in behind him rather easily against Burton.

Godfrey would probably be asked to fill in for Seriki too, and that's also one of the things we'd like from a centre half signing now.

 

[Bergen Blade]

Loans do have benefits no doubt about it. My beef with loans is when we sell our permanent signings (especially for big money) and replace with a loan. That doesn’t sit well with me.

Rightly or wrongly I just see it as a race to the bottom

Ideally, they should be used to fill a couple of gaps, add a bit of flair. I agree it's not ideal to have two loan players as the club's first choice centre halves.

 

[BrisBlade]

Anyone remember last year when we were first linked with Souttar? As I recall a lot of 'experts' on this forum were categorically claiming he was shite as he wasn't getting a game at Leicester and that we should be aiming higher...

 

[blades78]

Anyone remember last year when we were first linked with Souttar? As I recall a lot of 'experts' on this forum were categorically claiming he was shite as he wasn't getting a game at Leicester and that we should be aiming higher...

To think a 27 year old CB, who has a couple of caps for his country, played over 100 games in the premier league isn't good enough for us.

 

[Shadota]

Loan reliance is clearly a permanent policy for this club. With these owners, just like the last one

Show me a Championship club that doesn't utilise loans, and I'll show you a Championship club that isn't run very well.

Everybody, outside of the top 8-15 clubs in the Premier League, will take advantage of the loan market every single year. And even some of those top tier PL clubs will do so from time to time. Didn't Man U and Chelsea each loan Falcao for a season a few years ago?

 

[3Cheers4Ramirez]

Show me a Championship club that doesn't utilise loans, and I'll show you a Championship club that isn't run very well.

Everybody, outside of the top 8-15 clubs in the Premier League, will take advantage of the loan market every single year. And even some of those top tier PL clubs will do so from time to time. Didn't Man U and Chelsea each loan Falcao for a season a few years ago?

Not saying we shouldn't utilise loans. But I'd suggest that any championship club that only has 2 contracted senior CBs isn't run very well either

 

[Eric_Brooks]

Short for a centre half, not played hardly any football in the last two years, regular injuries throughout his career, career on the wain.

He sounds perfect , clappy clap.

Sign him up

You mates with Rodley

 

[Sheffsteel]

Anyone remember last year when we were first linked with Souttar? As I recall a lot of 'experts' on this forum were categorically claiming he was shite as he wasn't getting a game at Leicester and that we should be aiming higher...

Agree and in the 1st game or 2….he was just OK.
Then he quickly improved game by game to become the most commanding defender in the league.

I remember when we had Wes in goal with Robinson and Ahmedhodzic as central defenders I always felt nervous defending corners or set pieces.

However with Cooper in goal and Souttar and Ahmedhodzic as central defenders I’ve never felt so calm defending corners or set pieces.
Opposition corners almost become boring because there was zero chance of them scoring.
The only corner I remember was the fluke 1st goal that Leeds scored against us, that was just blasted low towards the edge of the box
Normally they would be cut out and their player ran in and had to hit the ball first time, normally they go into row Z.

 

[Sheffsteel]

Hahah, and every signing just keeps showing that we're not able to spend money on permanents!
Yet we all get called 'bedwetters'.
This could have been avoided if the club was proactive, yet we're getting an awful cb on loan.. again!!
Im seriously worried about the direction of the club currently, and surely those cool as cucumber fans are starting to realise too!

That attitude, panicking before anything has happened…does define a bed wetter…it was exactly the same last season.
Surely you can learn from recent experience and see the model that’s previously worked for us last season.

Just wait until the window ends. Some will be celebrating likes it’s a massive surprise, when strengthening a squad is just common sense and normal.
If for some weird reason the owners want to see their investment suffer and we don’t strengthen….then I’ll be shocked and hold my hand up to apologise.

 

[Railway Blade]

Agree and in the 1st game or 2….he was just OK.
Then he quickly improved game by game to become the most commanding defender in the league.

I remember when we had Wes in goal with Robinson and Ahmedhodzic as central defenders I always felt nervous defending corners or set pieces.

However with Cooper in goal and Souttar and Ahmedhodzic as central defenders I’ve never felt so calm defending corners or set pieces.
Opposition corners almost become boring because there was zero chance of them scoring.
The only corner I remember was the fluke 1st goal that Leeds scored against us, that was just blasted low towards the edge of the box
Normally they would be cut out and their player ran in and had to hit the ball first time, normally they go into row Z.

That's all true and Souttar was great for us. Not sure how its relevant to signing Godfrey though.

Godfrey is barely 6 foot and JLT is 5 foot 11, so you're going to be a bag of nerves at set pieces again, if we end up with those two as a pair.

 

[Sheffsteel]

That's all true and Souttar was great for us. Not sure how its relevant to signing Godfrey though.

Godfrey is barely 6 foot and JLT is 5 foot 11, so you're going to be a bag of nerves at set pieces again, if we end up with those two as a pair.

The relevance is that our fans were underwhelmed when we brought in Souttar in loan.
So if anyone is underwhelmed by any of our signings I’ll reserve judgment until I see them.

It’s weird how signings can throw up surprises.
For example this new midfielder Soumare could end up being a clear level above Vini Souza.
Cannon might might finally come good and look a top striker….then everyone is saying what a signing…bargain at 10 million.

Regards Godfrey wasn’t he great at Norwich, seen as the next big thing and potential England player?
Then goes to Everton and flops….but many players flop at Everton.
His career has stalled and he’s 27, so should be approaching his prime…..this would be a typical Chris Wilder signing.
Maybe he’ll be hungry and determined to revive his career. He’s hardly played last season so it would be a risk.

 

[SufcBilly]

The relevance is that our fans were underwhelmed when we brought in Souttar in loan.
So if anyone is underwhelmed by any of our signings I’ll reserve judgment until I see them.

It’s weird how signings can throw up surprises.
For example this new midfielder Soumare could end up being a clear level above Vini Souza.
Cannon might might finally come good and look a top striker….then everyone is saying what a signing…bargain at 10 million.

Regards Godfrey wasn’t he great at Norwich, seen as the next big thing and potential England player?
Then goes to Everton and flops….but many players flop at Everton.
His career has stalled and he’s 27, so should be approaching his prime…..this would be a typical Chris Wilder signing.
Maybe he’ll be hungry and determined to revive his career. He’s hardly played last season so it would be a risk.

Have to agree, if wilder was signing him it’d be genius career resurrection stuff

 

[Ldn_Rd_Blades]

Must be crap if he can’t even get in an American team

 

[3Cheers4Ramirez]

For him to have zero impact at Everton and Atalanta, something must have happened to him. Maybe the same thing that happened to BBD

 

[ckpe147]

That attitude, panicking before anything has happened…does define a bed wetter…it was exactly the same last season.
Surely you can learn from recent experience and see the model that’s previously worked for us last season.

Just wait until the window ends. Some will be celebrating likes it’s a massive surprise, when strengthening a squad is just common sense and normal.
If for some weird reason the owners want to see their investment suffer and we don’t strengthen….then I’ll be shocked and hold my hand up to apologise.

Its not panicking before anythings happened, its clear that the owners aren't willing to fund permanent signings currently, and we've only got two to three weeks of the window left...
What happens between now and the deadline strikes to me of potential panic buying..

I think the owners will think that the squad is strong enough, and if Selles' is happy with the hand he's dealt with, then we'll get the extra centre back on loan, and potentially the korean right back, which i feel leaves us short.

I do think Wilder leaving would have meant that he wasnt happy with the recruitment strategy, as I'm sure Jimmy Dunne, Jonjo Kenny and Kwame Poku would have come in on frees..

 

[ben1987]

Must be crap if he can’t even hit in an American team

Italian *

(I can’t work out if I missed the joke there)

 

[Railway Blade]

For him to have zero impact at Everton and Atalanta, something must have happened to him. Maybe the same thing that happened to BBD

Since 2022/23 he's had a broken Fibula, Abductor injury, Lumbago and other minor injuries. Prior to that he had long Covid and struggled to regain fitness.

Might go some way to explaining his drop off.

 

[Davalon]

That's all true and Souttar was great for us. Not sure how its relevant to signing Godfrey though.

Godfrey is barely 6 foot and JLT is 5 foot 11, so you're going to be a bag of nerves at set pieces again, if we end up with those two as a pair.

I know there is stuff out there stating JLT is 5' 11'' but he's deffo taller than that. Reason being that that's my height and having stood next to him, he was certainly taller than me. Likewise with Jags.