Ruben Selles v's Chris Wilder

[Danetheblade]

We’ll be mid table or lower at xmas and he’ll be sacked.

Are you ever optimistic? You must be a treat at parties.

 

[AnstonBlade1]

Are you ever optimistic? You must be a treat at parties.

Just realistic

 

[Danetheblade]

Just realistic

But it’s not though is it?

 

[Barney Rubble]

My point is, I’d hardly be relying on hull city’s boards opinion on managers.

On that I agree. Not far behind Chancer in the fruitbat stakes.

 

[Blademan89]

The amount of games we nervously held on to 1-0 wins & often we said ‘if that was a Premiership game we’d have been beaten 3/4-0 today’.

Wilder had to build a new squad in the summer, deal with the ownership issues & he got over 90pts.

I think where the owners would have struggled with him long term is Wilders stubbornness to play his own players, he’s not well know for improving young players & it’s clear to see the direction we’re going in with our recent recruitment.

Ultimately I think if he wasn’t sacked today it wouldn’t have been long until he was, the owners probably thought get on with it now while we’ve got parachute money and the opportunity to back the new man with their input.

Bit of a disservice to say wilder isn't well known for improving young players.

Arblaster
Peck
A.Brooks
Seriki
D.Brooks
Henderson
Osula * - started too look dangerous pre season
Bogle
Burrows

 

[Nick Jansky]

I’d take his work at hull as an impact manager with a pinch of salt. You could very easily replace Hull with Wednesday and be talking about Röhl. And despite some decent work from Rohl during his first full season, he’s not had the same results and performances.

I’d disagree. He had much less time than Rohl had and the transformation at Hull was rapid. He took a floundering team that had lost its way and had them playing dynamic front foot football - as we discovered to our cost. There was no element of fighting a war of attrition to stay up. It was done with bravery.

I watch far too much football and watched Hull several times at the end of the season. I was mightily impressed (as were the Hull fans) especially compared to what they had been like earlier in the season.

 

[AnstonBlade1]

But it’s not though is it?

Say we lose Gus, Souza, Cooper maybe Arblaster/Peck?
It’s very realistic

 

[Danetheblade]

Say we lose Gus, Souza, Cooper maybe Arblaster/Peck?
It’s very realistic

I mean, that’s not going to happen (we won’t lose all those named) but do you genuinely think they wouldn’t reinvest the money?

 

[AnstonBlade1]

I mean, that’s not going to happen (we won’t lose all those named) but do you genuinely think they wouldn’t reinvest the money?

If they get there heads turned or want to leave there’s nothing the club can do.
It’s Sheff Utd never expect anything.

 

[ATL Recs]

I don't really watch other teams and my memory is terrible.

If we look at his time at Hull, which players did he have there that would get into our squad?

Its less about his previous success or lack of it, and more about whether he would get better results and performances out of our squad/academy?

Sadly we don’t know how the squad will look after the Window and who leaves and who comes in

 

[Danetheblade]

If they get there heads turned or want to leave there’s nothing the club can do.
It’s Sheff Utd never expect anything.

Pecks already going. I’d be very meh if Gus goes, Cooper/Blaster won’t be going anywhere.

 

[ATL Recs]

I mean, that’s not going to happen (we won’t lose all those named) but do you genuinely think they wouldn’t reinvest the money?

It’s very likely we lose 3 maybe 4 if the price is right and One and Anal

 

[Aston max]

I can give you a short answer as far as some are concerned

HIS NAMES NOT WILDER

 

[Groucho Blade]

Say we lose Gus, Souza, Cooper maybe Arblaster/Peck?
It’s very realistic

Then we’d have a decent war-chest to bring in players that fit our new strategy

 

[SwissBlade]

I’d disagree. He had much less time than Rohl had and the transformation at Hull was rapid. He took a floundering team that had lost its way and had them playing dynamic front foot football - as we discovered to our cost. There was no element of fighting a war of attrition to stay up. It was done with bravery.

I watch far too much football and watched Hull several times at the end of the season. I was mightily impressed (as were the Hull fans) especially compared to what they had been like earlier in the season.

So why was he sacked? He’d kept them up playing this lovely brand of football. I’ve no idea.

What sets him apart from 2019 Wilders innovative promotion team?

 

[robbiez666]

Bit of a disservice to say wilder isn't well known for improving young players.

Arblaster
Peck
A.Brooks
Seriki
D.Brooks
Henderson
Osula * - started too look dangerous pre season
Bogle
Burrows

Playing is not improving.

Indeed, he had to be persuaded not to loan Brooks to Chesterfield in his breakthrough season.

Henderson, I'll give you.

The rest are debatable.

Has Burrows improved during the season? Peck? Brooks?

Bogle did much better for Leeds than he did here.

Osula?!

 

[Nick Jansky]

So why was he sacked? He’d kept them up playing this lovely brand of football. I’ve no idea.

What sets him apart from 2019 Wilders innovative promotion team?

He was sacked because Hull’s owner is an absolute fruitcake. He also sacked Rosenior a year previously. Have a look at the number of managers they’ve had since he bought the club.

What sets him apart from Wilder’s 2019 team is the ability to adapt tactics and formation, sometimes several times during a game. He says he learned the value of that during his time at Reading when he realised he didn’t have the players to press in the way he wanted.

 

[wak1889]

Say we lose Gus, Souza, Cooper maybe Arblaster/Peck?
It’s very realistic

Arblaster has played fewer than 30 games for us and he's been up and down in some of those like every young player, plus he's had a very serious injury no one is going to be signing him, cooper will only leave if he thinks he's going to be first choice in the Premier league and realistically only Sunderland and Leeds can offer him that with any certainty, the rest he would be competing with keepers as good if not better, the others may well go, but certainly not on the cheap, and that would give us funds to reinvest, which any new manager will want

 

[robbiez666]

He was sacked because Hull’s owner is an absolute fruitcake. He also sacked Rosenior a year previously. Have a look at the number of managers they’ve had since he bought the club.

The Hull owner expects every manager to get them promoted, without actually backing them in any great way.

 

[Fjortoft's Aeroplane]

I'd be gutted if we end up getting someone in with zero history of getting any team promoted from any division.
If we sack Wilder for Selles its car park time, simple as that.

 

[Millhousesblade1889]

Bit of a disservice to say wilder isn't well known for improving young players.

Arblaster
Peck
A.Brooks
Seriki
D.Brooks
Henderson
Osula * - started too look dangerous pre season
Bogle
Burrows

Arblaster, Seriki, Peck, Henderson - yes

A. Brooks - he exiled for the whole of the back end of the season to the point nobody knew where he’d gone.

D. Brooks - great for a few games but he was ill after that, I’m not sure we ever saw the best of him in a Blades shirt unfortunately.

Osula & Bogle - no chance. Bogle best stint was under Hecky. Wilder hardly started him in the relegation season and he left in the summer.
Osula - He preferred McBurnie, Archer & BBD when he returned, he rarely started a game when Wilder arrived back

Burrows - debateable, already had a lot of the qualities when he arrived. I’m not sure he’s significantly better than when he signed.

I think out of all the above his biggest achievement was Peck, hopefully a new coach can get him fitter and better going forward then we have a real quality player in our hands.

 

[Danetheblade]

It’s very likely we lose 3 maybe 4 if the price is right and One and Anal

Anel is another I’d be meh about leaving. The only biggie for me is Cooper, but I think we’d be asking 30M+ especially if Gus etc go.

 

[Blademan89]

Playing is not improving.

Indeed, he had to be persuaded not to loan Brooks to Chesterfield in his breakthrough season.

Henderson, I'll give you.

The rest are debatable.

Has Burrows improved during the season? Peck? Brooks?

Bogle did much better for Leeds than he did here.

Osula?!

How does 1 improve someone then without playing them? Both go hand in hand...

Burrows has improved stepped up
Brooks had improved (whats potentially loaning him out to Chesterfield got anything to do with anything?)
Osula clearly was improved
Peck has improved and had a break out season.

catch 22 ain't it for him... doesn't play them and hes not known for improving youngsters and cant use them etc. Does play them and it constitutes to not improving them as hes only playing them.

 

[Nick Jansky]

I'd be gutted if we end up getting someone in with zero history of getting any team promoted from any division.
If we sack Wilder for Selles its car park time, simple as that.

Don’t be ridiculous

 

[robbiez666]

How does 1 improve someone then without playing them? Both go hand in hand...

Burrows has improved stepped up
Brooks had improved (whats potentially loaning him out to Chesterfield got anything to do with anything?)
Osula clearly was improved
Peck has improved and had a break out season.

catch 22 ain't it for him... doesn't play them and hes not known for improving youngsters and cant use them etc. Does play them and it constitutes to not improving them as hes only playing them.

I'm struggling to understand this.

Playing young players improves them?

That's not what developing players is about. Are you seriously telling me that Peck, Burrows, Brooks are significantly better players now than they were in the first 5 games they played for us? I just don't see it.

 

[Blademan89]

Arblaster, Seriki, Peck, Henderson - yes

A. Brooks - he exiled for the whole of the back end of the season to the point nobody knew where he’d gone.

D. Brooks - great for a few games but he was ill after that, I’m not sure we ever saw the best of him in a Blades shirt unfortunately.

Osula & Bogle - no chance. Bogle best stint was under Hecky. Wilder hardly started him in the relegation season and he left in the summer.
Osula - He preferred McBurnie, Archer & BBD when he returned, he rarely started a game when Wilder arrived back

Burrows - debateable, already had a lot of the qualities when he arrived. I’m not sure he’s significantly better than when he signed.

I think out of all the above his biggest achievement was Peck, hopefully a new coach can get him fitter and better going forward then we have a real quality player in our hands.

Reason I added osula was that very short stint against fodders I admit but pre season he started to look pretty good and towards back end of the season with odd cameo..

Im sure he would have featured a lot more last season had he stayed and got some goals.

He was "improving".

Bogle clearly improved as a player under both wilder/hecky from derby days and had further developed - thus improved him.

 

[Danetheblade]

I'd be gutted if we end up getting someone in with zero history of getting any team promoted from any division.
If we sack Wilder for Selles it’s car park time, simple as that.

I bet you went into the car park when they changed the ingredients in Carling.

 

[Fjortoft's Aeroplane]

Don’t be ridiculous

Danny Wilson was rightly car park protested and compared to Selles, Wilson actually had some achievements in his locker.

 

[Nick Jansky]

How does 1 improve someone then without playing them? Both go hand in hand...

You can play someone without improving them. Coaching is equally if not more important.

 

[SwissBlade]

He was sacked because Hull’s owner is an absolute fruitcake. He also sacked Rosenior a year previously. Have a look at the number of managers they’ve had since he bought the club.

What sets him apart from Wilder’s 2019 team is the ability to adapt tactics and formation, sometimes several times during a game. He says he learned the value of that during his time at Reading when he realised he didn’t have the players to press in the way he wanted.

Ok so no real explanation for sacking him.

Did you watch the 2019 promotion season? Or the league one campaign the season before? Or the premier league 1st season? I asked what sets him apart not what makes him the same.