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OldBillBlade said:
The pit closures were Inevitable. The steel works closure were inevitable. We were unable to produce any cheap enough. The strikes were union vanity projects playing with people's livelihoods.
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Odd description that people's livelihoods and communities are compared to a vanity project. I saw the steel and mining closures for what they were....a political attack on unions and the working class orchestrated by a political class who prayed at the altar of liberalisation and deindustrialisation. The same idiots who liberalised/de-regulated banking and financial services so their greedy mates could make a killing and gamble with our economic future. Fast forward to 2008 and the financial crash....few objected to government spending billions bailing them out and yet critical industries like coal and steel were sacrificed because of cost/profit...

I accept we are all entitled to an opinion but let's at least try and keep it couched within the bounds of reality please...
 
WestYorksBlade said:
Too much generosity in this thread. Beyond the scab label, they’ve plainly cheated and got away with barely a slap on the wrist. Sky can harp on about their success this season but you set yourself up well when you sign sixty players without any regard for financial regulations. Also doesn’t help that their fans are about as deluded as that lot from S6. Will enjoy their downfall whenever it comes.
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Citeh bin cheating for years and pinched trophy after trophy they havnt had a slap at all, FA too scared to do owt. Sorry if mentioned else where in the thread haven't red it all.
 
Guesty said:
To be very grudgingly fair, he had taken steps to rectify that when it looked like Forest might qualify for Europe. He put his Olympiakos shares into a blind trust, whatever that entails.
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Presumably a trust somewhere down by his feet. Little to no chance of him seeing anything down there, the fat bastard.

(A blind trust is a trust run entirely by the trustees with no input from the beneficiary to avoid any potential conflict of interest.)
 
OldBillBlade said:
The pit closures were Inevitable. The steel works closure were inevitable. We were unable to produce any cheap enough. The strikes were union vanity projects playing with people's livelihoods.
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Aye
That’s why we (Thatcher et al) paid more to import (Polish) coal & (German) steel, & still do.
Oh and the overtime for the ‘old bill’
The ‘vanity project’ was ‘The free market’ which we are still paying for (to) & the urban decay (destruction) that it thrives on & perpetuates for profit (over people)
 
Menage a petit pois said:
Odd description that people's livelihoods and communities are compared to a vanity project. I saw the steel and mining closures for what they were....a political attack on unions and the working class orchestrated by a political class who prayed at the altar of liberalisation and deindustrialisation. The same idiots who liberalised/de-regulated banking and financial services so their greedy mates could make a killing and gamble with our economic future. Fast forward to 2008 and the financial crash....few objected to government spending billions bailing them out and yet critical industries like coal and steel were sacrificed because of cost/profit...

I accept we are all entitled to an opinion but let's at least try and keep it couched within the bounds of reality please...
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He's not wrong though.
The unions had too much power, you only have to look at the Bin strikes, Power cuts and no bread on the shelves of the 70's to see that.
I know its a comedy film but Carry on at your Convenience shows you what it was like in the 70's and how much power the unions had, "All out" at the slightest thing that they didn't agree with.
Unions play a vital part in our lives but they shouldn't have so much power that they can bring a country to its knees.
The original plan wasn't to shut all the pits only the loss making ones, but the unions weren't having that.
Scargill didn’t care about the miners he saw a chance to topple a Conservative Government and become a hero in the Labour Party and to be remembered for decades.
Yes it devastated communities and the Conservatives should have done alot more to help them than they actually did.

The writing was on the wall with cheaper Coal and Steel from abroad.
Ask yourself this why didn't some rich friend of Maggie's buy them and make loads of money if they weren't losing money, I know Richard Budge bought a few but it was only a very small amount and they didn't last long.
And why didn't Labour re-open the pits when they got into power.
While it was very sad times change and industry's come and go, you only have to look at the Retail industry and Pub industry now both of which have lost far more jobs than the Pits and the Steel making industry have.
While Maggie still to this day gets the blood boiling even after all these years hardly anyone questions the role of Arthur Scargill and the Miner's unions and could they have got a better outcome for the Miners and the communities.
 
Broomhall Blade said:
He's not wrong though.
The unions had too much power, you only have to look at the Bin strikes, Power cuts and no bread on the shelves of the 70's to see that.
I know its a comedy film but Carry on at your Convenience shows you what it was like in the 70's and how much power the unions had, "All out" at the slightest thing that they didn't agree with.
Unions play a vital part in our lives but they shouldn't have so much power that they can bring a country to its knees.
The original plan wasn't to shut all the pits only the loss making ones, but the unions weren't having that.
Scargill didn’t care about the miners he saw a chance to topple a Conservative Government and become a hero in the Labour Party and to be remembered for decades.
Yes it devastated communities and the Conservatives should have done alot more to help them than they actually did.

The writing was on the wall with cheaper Coal and Steel from abroad.
Ask yourself this why didn't some rich friend of Maggie's buy them and make loads of money if they weren't losing money, I know Richard Budge bought a few but it was only a very small amount and they didn't last long.
And why didn't Labour re-open the pits when they got into power.
While it was very sad times change and industry's come and go, you only have to look at the Retail industry and Pub industry now both of which have lost far more jobs than the Pits and the Steel making industry have.
While Maggie still to this day gets the blood boiling even after all these years hardly anyone questions the role of Arthur Scargill and the Miner's unions and could they have got a better outcome for the Miners and the community.
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Before all this we were known as the sick man of Europe. Now we've got the Labour party giving their mates in the public sector unions pay rises the country cannot afford and taking money off pensioners to help pay for them.
 
OLDBLADE43 said:
Before all this we were known as the sick man of Europe. Now we've got the Labour party giving their mates in the public sector unions pay rises the country cannot afford and taking money off pensioners to help pay for them.
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Keep up they've gen it em back.
 
OLDBLADE43 said:
Before all this we were known as the sick man of Europe. Now we've got the Labour party giving their mates in the public sector unions pay rises the country cannot afford and taking money off pensioners to help pay for them.
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Aye
The pensioners that are guaranteed above inflation ‘pay rises’ & the > 6 million “mates in the public sector” that support them, care for them, keep them safe & fund their pensions whilst having seen their own incomes reduce in relative worth in comparison.
The “public sector” that used to provide lighting heating water / sanitation & homes but is now reduced to fixing potholes whilst your (implied) heroes in the Tory party make millions off the back of privatisation of essential fundamental (formerly “public” amenities & services.
That “Public Sector”?!?!?!?!
 
Broomhall Blade said:
He's not wrong though.
The unions had too much power, you only have to look at the Bin strikes, Power cuts and no bread on the shelves of the 70's to see that.
I know its a comedy film but Carry on at your Convenience shows you what it was like in the 70's and how much power the unions had, "All out" at the slightest thing that they didn't agree with.
Unions play a vital part in our lives but they shouldn't have so much power that they can bring a country to its knees.
The original plan wasn't to shut all the pits only the loss making ones, but the unions weren't having that.
Scargill didn’t care about the miners he saw a chance to topple a Conservative Government and become a hero in the Labour Party and to be remembered for decades.
Yes it devastated communities and the Conservatives should have done alot more to help them than they actually did.

The writing was on the wall with cheaper Coal and Steel from abroad.
Ask yourself this why didn't some rich friend of Maggie's buy them and make loads of money if they weren't losing money, I know Richard Budge bought a few but it was only a very small amount and they didn't last long.
And why didn't Labour re-open the pits when they got into power.
While it was very sad times change and industry's come and go, you only have to look at the Retail industry and Pub industry now both of which have lost far more jobs than the Pits and the Steel making industry have.
While Maggie still to this day gets the blood boiling even after all these years hardly anyone questions the role of Arthur Scargill and the Miner's unions and could they have got a better outcome for the Miners and the communities.
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If that's what it was all about, how would you explain Thatcher closing down the rolling mills at Thrybergh that were the third most efficient in the world?
Looks political to me mate.
 
Broomhall Blade said:
He's not wrong though.
The unions had too much power, you only have to look at the Bin strikes, Power cuts and no bread on the shelves of the 70's to see that.
I know its a comedy film but Carry on at your Convenience shows you what it was like in the 70's and how much power the unions had, "All out" at the slightest thing that they didn't agree with.
Unions play a vital part in our lives but they shouldn't have so much power that they can bring a country to its knees.
The original plan wasn't to shut all the pits only the loss making ones, but the unions weren't having that.
Scargill didn’t care about the miners he saw a chance to topple a Conservative Government and become a hero in the Labour Party and to be remembered for decades.
Yes it devastated communities and the Conservatives should have done alot more to help them than they actually did.

The writing was on the wall with cheaper Coal and Steel from abroad.
Ask yourself this why didn't some rich friend of Maggie's buy them and make loads of money if they weren't losing money, I know Richard Budge bought a few but it was only a very small amount and they didn't last long.
And why didn't Labour re-open the pits when they got into power.
While it was very sad times change and industry's come and go, you only have to look at the Retail industry and Pub industry now both of which have lost far more jobs than the Pits and the Steel making industry have.
While Maggie still to this day gets the blood boiling even after all these years hardly anyone questions the role of Arthur Scargill and the Miner's unions and could they have got a better outcome for the Miners and the communities.
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Some of what you say is correct... some of what you say is correct when looking through a very narrow prism and, I believe some of what you say, is just plain wrong. But I'm tired ...it's 40 plus years ago and I don't believe it to be a productive use of my time or yours trying to offer a different perspective or critiquing everything you have said. Yes, the Unions may have exercised too much power at times, yes, some pits were unprofitable, but I will never forget the or forgive the blatant politicisation of the police force and judiciary.
 
Moan? Nope-I saw Longhorn said:
Aye
That’s why we (Thatcher et al) paid more to import (Polish) coal & (German) steel, & still do.
Oh and the overtime for the ‘old bill’
The ‘vanity project’ was ‘The free market’ which we are still paying for (to) & the urban decay (destruction) that it thrives on & perpetuates for profit (over people)
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Marinakis and Forest deserve each other. Problem is he's done well for Forest. But he's got a cheek to complain on this issue as others have said. The issue is owners should not be able to have multi club ownership that can potentially compete with each other.
 
OLDBLADE43 said:
Before all this we were known as the sick man of Europe. Now we've got the Labour party giving their mates in the public sector unions pay rises the country cannot afford and taking money off pensioners to help pay for them.
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For the record I don't condone the axing of winter fuel payments but if you think for one moment that decision was taken to fund public sector pay rises then might I suggest you speak to your GP about your current medication because it's clearly having some unusual side effects. I currently work for the NHS and I can tell you that the majority of staff at a clerical level are so poorly paid that the NHS HAD to pay them an hourly increase in April this year because had they not done so, they would have broken the law around paying staff the MINIMUM wage following the uprating in April. ..let that sink in....and think on that before you post in future ...
 
OLDBLADE43 said:
Before all this we were known as the sick man of Europe. Now we've got the Labour party giving their mates in the public sector unions pay rises the country cannot afford and taking money off pensioners to help pay for them.
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Its because of lickspittkes like you tte country is in the state its in
 
If we had won 99 points would we as fans expect the board to challenge the 2 points.

Mute question I know because we fell way short.
 
Frank the tank said:
Its because of lickspittkes like you tte country is in the state its in
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You have no idea what I'm like. However I never lower myself to a level like yours. I suggest you look up the meaning of the word you couldn't even spell properly before using it as well
 
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OLDBLADE43 said:
You have no idea what I'm like. However I never lower myself to a level like yours. I suggest you look up the meaning of the word you couldn't even spell properly before using it as well
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Not moot.
 
Menage a petit pois said:
Odd description that people's livelihoods and communities are compared to a vanity project. I saw the steel and mining closures for what they were....a political attack on unions and the working class orchestrated by a political class who prayed at the altar of liberalisation and deindustrialisation. The same idiots who liberalised/de-regulated banking and financial services so their greedy mates could make a killing and gamble with our economic future. Fast forward to 2008 and the financial crash....few objected to government spending billions bailing them out and yet critical industries like coal and steel were sacrificed because of cost/profit...

I accept we are all entitled to an opinion but let's at least try and keep it couched within the bounds of reality please...
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And no doubt you'll love the Government of today then!
 

Moan? Nope-I saw Longhorn said:
Aye
The pensioners that are guaranteed above inflation ‘pay rises’ & the > 6 million “mates in the public sector” that support them, care for them, keep them safe & fund their pensions whilst having seen their own incomes reduce in relative worth in comparison.
The “public sector” that used to provide lighting heating water / sanitation & homes but is now reduced to fixing potholes whilst your (implied) heroes in the Tory party make millions off the back of privatisation of essential fundamental (formerly “public” amenities & services.
That “Public Sector”?!?!?!?!
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And here's me thinking that it was funded by taxes and Ni paid by all working people from the private AND public sector workers
 
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