If we are relegated should Clough be sacked?

[Harry's Game]

Quite simple yes or no? Would it be his fault, the board or the terrible start under Weir are factors to consider.

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

Better the devil you know.

 

[Patrick Suffaux]

Solves everything that doesn't it?

 

[metalblade]

Stop being ridiculous

 

[zablade]

Although I accept it wouldn't be 100% his fault I think his position would be untenable, so Yes

 

[davidpinder]

Been waiting for this one, if we'd supported him properly in the jtw I'd say yes but I don't believe we have. He's obviously been told mostly loan players as we won't pay for perm deal except scougall as he is young.

 

[StarBlade]

It's worked brilliantly since Warnock, so yes, sack him.

 

[Patrick Suffaux]

Although I accept it wouldn't be 100% his fault I think his position would be untenable, so Yes

Is this a serious post?

 

[yorkshirecoast]

We were shit under Weir. We are shit under Clough. Whilst I think Clough is an improvement, like Weir he is too negative in his approach to games. The club is a mess - we desperately need game-changing investment.......

 

[Guesty]

No. It won't do any good and we'd lose out on another bundle for a sacked manager as well as his replacement. I doubt we'll come straight back up whatever we do.

 

[Patrick Suffaux]

Who is voting yes?! I don't know what makes me despair more the team or supporters!

 

[UnitedBlade]

Compared to the last relegation when Adams had enough time to sort things and didn't (2 points from 7 games in February), Clough had the worst possible position to start from with the disaster that was 5 points from 10 games under Weir.

My fear has always been that Clough might run out of games.

However, if we do go down I would recommend that Clough stays.

 

[Kev Gee]

No. he knows what needs to be done & needs backing from the board.

 

[zablade]

No. he knows what needs to be done & needs backing from the board.

If we went down to the fourth tier I cannot see the club sticking with the man who has had two thirds of a season to sort it out.

 

[Kev Gee]

If we went down to the fourth tier I cannot see the club with they man who has had two thirds of a season to sort it out.

the rot set in way before he arrived. we simply cannot keep sacking managers. look were we have ended up since 2007.

 

[beatific blade]

I hope this post was sarcastic, ffs.

 

[Patrick Suffaux]

If we went down to the fourth tier I cannot see the club sticking with the man who has had two thirds of a season to sort it out.

LOL!!!! Just lol.

 

[Bladesway]

Oh for the sake of whatever, when will we as fans get a sense of perspective. Weir was shit, Wilson was shit, Morgan was shit, Adams was shit, Speed was shit, Adams was shit, Blackwell was shit and Robson was shit. Now you may agree with some or all of those statements but isn't there something overridingly rotton that is bigger than all of those managers? SInce the day we left the Premiership the only steps forward were under Blackwell, that apart it has been a slide down shit ally with players sold and replaced with garbage. You can blame who you like but SUFC is a rotton apple and I still don't think the bottom has been reached. McCabe, the fake shake, Jim Phipps blah fucking blah.

I hope one day the fans finally get their collective arses in gear and stop training the guns on the poor bastard who is the Manager. Its rotten all around them from dressing room to board room. Will we get relegated this season? Its a very distinct possibility. We sacked the only possible saviour a while back when fans threw a few toys out the pram and moaned. WIlson was doing a capable job, one we could only dream of right now. As we stagger from crisis to crisis with the only chink of light the FA Cup.

Until we as fans stop thinking sacking managers solves anything the team just keeps sliding further and further backwards.

 

[Bladesway]

If we went down to the fourth tier I cannot see the club sticking with the man who has had two thirds of a season to sort it out.

I believe there are parts of the world where they chop your hands off for less ridiculous statements. Go on, shed light on what you would do because relegation is nailing its self on as we speak.

 

[Patrick Suffaux]

Oh for the sake of whatever, when will we as fans get a sense of perspective. Weir was shit, Wilson was shit, Morgan was shit, Adams was shit, Speed was shit, Adams was shit, Blackwell was shit and Robson was shit. Now you may agree with some or all of those statements but isn't there something overridingly rotton that is bigger than all of those managers? SInce the day we left the Premiership the only steps forward were under Blackwell, that apart it has been a slide down shit ally with players sold and replaced with garbage. You can blame who you like but SUFC is a rotton apple and I still don't think the bottom has been reached. McCabe, the fake shake, Jim Phipps blah fucking blah.

I hope one day the fans finally get their collective arses in gear and stop training the guns on the poor bastard who is the Manager. Its rotten all around them from dressing room to board room. Will we get relegated this season? Its a very distinct possibility. We sacked the only possible saviour a while back when fans threw a few toys out the pram and moaned. WIlson was doing a capable job, one we could only dream of right now. As we stagger from crisis to crisis with the only chink of light the FA Cup.

Until we as fans stop thinking sacking managers solves anything the team just keeps sliding further and further backwards.

Best post I have ever seen on this forum bar none! Agree with every single word of that.

 

[Bladesway]

If we went down to the fourth tier I cannot see the club sticking with the man who has had two thirds of a season to sort it out.

I hope you washed your hands after you typed that.

 

[breeny]

He needs another season, whatever happens.

 

[KenMcnaughtsNuts]

He will leave anyway, so the question is irrelevant.

EDIT: voted no, cos quite obviously he shouldn't be sacked. Shouldn't even be a discussion about it. BUT i'd be amazed if he decided to stay with us with presumably no money to spend either. Bound to get a better offer and move on to somewhere more ambitious. Like Fleetwood or Chester.

 

[raul]

If we are relegated, the identity of our Manager will be the least of our worries.

 

[silverfox]

Keep sacking is the way forward......it must be the managers fault.

 

[itsinyerblood]

Agree with the above, and my view is that NC will stay. For once let's stop having the vision of a peanut and commit to supporting the manager we already have.

 

[Deadbat]

I certainly would not sack him if they went down. He has been an improvement on Weir in terms of us at least looking slightly like a football side occasionally. Sadly our results have been poor and 1 point so far this year is unacceptable. it is worrying that Phipps says finances is there? Why is he not using them? Someone is not doing their job or telling the truth.

If we went down no one would touch us with a barge pole and he still would be better than anything we could get.

That is not to say on the whole I have been disappointed with what has transpired. I felt he came in and we were moving the right way but recent times we have gone backwards again. The performances at Crewe, Walsall and Notts County are not much better than those under Weir.

Sadly we are in a no better position than we were league position wide than when he came in. However we cannot keep sacking managers. If they went down and struggled to start with in the bottom tier then we may aswell all give up though!

 

[1889]

Why wait, let's get rid now. Give the new man time to bed in and get to know the squad before mounting a Div 2 promotion charge next year. Makes sense and it's worked in the p...............oh, hang on

 

[pommpey]

Again, I reiterate. Anyone who thinks that Cluff is to blame for this dismal state of affairs at Sheffield United needs their bumps felt. He took over from a team full of no-hopers - not the ones you see on movies who play the big clubs in the final of some made-up cup - but a shower of overpaid, talent-free wasters several leagues above their actual ability. They'd already had practically half a season under a manager of dubious credibility, totally found out by footballing monsters such as MK Dons, Carlisle United, Hartlepool, Shrewsbury and Gillingham to name a few. By the time his predecessor was sacked (with a lovely briefcase full of fifties, no doubt) the team were bereft of any on-field ability, defensively fragile, midfield completely unable to capture the game and the attack abjectly useless as goalscorers. So with a bagful of bollocks, is he supposed to pull fragrant fannies out of the bag or what? Key to this is that 'Michael Brown role' ... central playmaker ... the bloke in the middle of the park through which all the team's ethos emanates. We've had 'Micky' Doyle sat there for fucking ages - under several managers, without anyone thinking too hard that this bloke's inability to 'make play'. We can't offer much elsewhere - tear-arsing down the wings, sending in crosses, making defence-splitting passes or just breaking up the opposition's attack and pushing play back into their half to defend a lead has been seemingly lost. Why have we not had these abilities? Well, selling players isn't the manager's remit. Given the choice to keep hold of Blackman (the season's top scorer) or MacDonald (a bloke with obvious talent - see today) I'd wager any manager would be quite happy not to let them go. The board does the selling so, given they sell the talent (and let's face it, we've seen some good players sod off to other clubs for next to nowt, despite any pre-arranged clauses) where do they expect the defecit of talent to be made up? By the players left behind, who no one wants to buy? Like Flynn? Porter? Murphy? McMahon? Collins?

And now we have signed, or borrowed, some makeweights. Elsewhere, Oxford United pull in David Conolly (a man who tore us a new arsehole at Fratton, last year), Barnsley attract Emmanuel Frimpong (okay, he got dismissed today, but it was against the shite), Brimingham now have Federico Machaeda, and other PL teams see fit to loan players to our divisional rivals. You'd imagine, given we have a decent manager and a Saudi prince, players would be jumping at the chance to join a club with a 30k stadium, decent backroom setup and an apparent cash-cow of investment.

Wouldn't you?

So what's happened?

Supplementary question. We fail to improve and get relegated. Cluff walks, or is sacked. Who then?

pommpey

 

[Blade59]

No. The damage was done before Clough came. If we do go down it will be a disaster but we are not going to get anyone better in division 4. We are in a chicken and egg situation. We need better quality players to stay up but our league position means we cannot attract that quality. Although other teams have equally poor players they appear to have more fight than us.