george long

[chesblade]

Just been reading. Fulhams message board and they reckon he should have been sent off and they should
Have had a penalty. Can't remember seeing anything myself. Also not happy that tv pundits on bt and Bbc where on
Our side and not there's

 

[blade too long]

he used his hands to keep out a shot , was a bit muddy probably didnt realise he was the keeper

 

[Living In a Fantasy World]

Just been reading. Fulhams message board and they reckon he should have been sent off and they should
Have had a penalty. Can't remember seeing anything myself. Also not happy that tv pundits on bt and Bbc where on
Our side and not there's

TV pundits on our side no way!!
Not sure about any Long incident, surely the TV would have covered it if there was anything.

 

[Bladesman]

Not sure he should have been sent off but they probably should have had a penalty but so we should have.

 

[SwissBlade]

It was the first half pen incident. Personally thought he was lucky to stay on. His momentum carried him through as he slid in on their striker one on one.

It would've been harsh as he couldn't stop himself, but he still caught the lads trailing leg (which was hanging in there ready to be caught)

But there was no intent and perhaps the ref looked at the conditions and the fact the Fulham striker wouldn't get the ball

A pen and red wouldn't have been a surprise

 

[Swanseablade]

I wonder about Georgie boy sometimes:
When I was watching this incident unfold: I thought it was fairly obvious (because of the strikers body position) that the striker was going to take it to George's "left" - yet he dove to the "right"
Couldn't understand this at all ?

 

[Gavlar]

he came for a cross at the end and got no where near it. would have been v harsh to be sent off really. he's not playing that well at the mo for me.

 

[siblade]

he came for a cross at the end and got no where near it. would have been v harsh to be sent off really. he's not playing that well at the mo for me.

Yep would have seemed harsh to be sent off but looked a penalty, then again we should have had one too. He is looking a bit short on confidence.

 

[Trigger Blade]

At the time, I felt it could have been a pen, but with the benefit of slow motion replays, I've changed my mind.

If a player is tripped, there's usually a trailing leg that gets caught, in this case, there were two, just to be sure, and his head went back as well. He'd pushed the ball too far and it looks completely unnatural, or to put it another way, he dived.

Flynny, on the other hand, didn't.

 

[blader]

I wonder about Georgie boy sometimes:
When I was watching this incident unfold: I thought it was fairly obvious (because of the strikers body position) that the striker was going to take it to George's "left" - yet he dove to the "right"
Couldn't understand this at all ?

And yet he's a professional 1st XI keeper at 19 years old. Unless you're Michel Vorm, I find that a rather harsh critique. The lad just had to spread himself as wide as possible, and the fact his head was to the "right" is fairly irrelevant. He has less than half a second to decide what to do, and doesn't have the benefit of your view from the stands either. I actually think Long is going to be a superb keeper, Championship at least. Bet he can't be far off the youngest keeper in the top 4 divisions can he? They don't even peek until they're 30

 

[Highbury_Blade]

At the time, I felt it could have been a pen, but with the benefit of slow motion replays, I've changed my mind.

If a player is tripped, there's usually a trailing leg that gets caught, in this case, there were two, just to be sure, and his head went back as well. He'd pushed the ball too far and it looks completely unnatural, or to put it another way, he dived.

Flynny, on the other hand, didn't.

Except of course rodellaga tried to stay on his feet.

Both clear penalties for me, George was the last man and denied an obvious goal scoring opportunity so should have gone off.

 

[BusheyBlade]

Agreed, both clear pens. What I don't understand is why the ref didn't book Kasami for his clear dive in the second half. And the way Flynn was going,if it wasn't a pen it was a blatant dive and again a booking.

 

[broomhillblade]

I wonder about Georgie boy sometimes:
When I was watching this incident unfold: I thought it was fairly obvious (because of the strikers body position) that the striker was going to take it to George's "left" - yet he dove to the "right"
Couldn't understand this at all ?

Dove? No bloody Americanisms on here please!

 

[broomhillblade]

And yet he's a professional 1st XI keeper at 19 years old. Unless you're Michel Vorm, I find that a rather harsh critique. The lad just had to spread himself as wide as possible, and the fact his head was to the "right" is fairly irrelevant. He has less than half a second to decide what to do, and doesn't have the benefit of your view from the stands either. I actually think Long is going to be a superb keeper, Championship at least. Bet he can't be far off the youngest keeper in the top 4 divisions can he? They don't even peek until they're 30

I spy....

 

[sheffielder]

People will remember it better when I say it was just after we scored and Doyle played a square ball across the back 4 to their striker

 

[Guesty]

Except of course rodellaga tried to stay on his feet.

Both clear penalties for me, George was the last man and denied an obvious goal scoring opportunity so should have gone off.

A defender hacked it away, was he not maybe close enough to stop it being a clear goal scoring opportunity. Either way it should have been a penalty.

 

[flash-blade]

Not sure he should have been sent off but they probably should have had a penalty but so we should have.

It was a pen, and if he had got sent off he could thank captain fantastic Doyle for his suicide pass across the pitch that set the chance up. Ours was a nailed on pen as well.

 

[Swanseablade]

I find that a rather harsh critique. The lad just had to spread himself as wide as possible, and the fact his head was to the "right" is fairly irrelevant. He has less than half a second to decide what to do, and doesn't have the benefit of your view from the stands either.

Calm down fella, I did say sometimes.
Most of the time I concur - he is a great keeper, especially considering his age & experience.
It's just occasionally he does things that are a tad strange. I disagree
That it makes no difference which way he spreads himself, all keepers would prefer to get their hands on the ball in this scenario: if they touch/deflect the ball with a hand it usually negates a penalty.
I also strongly disagree about his view! He definitely had a better view of the striker & his body position than me... I would have thought this was implicit.
I am just reiterating what was going through my mind as I watched it at the time - I was really surprised that he went to his right! IMO this is down to instinct & feck all to do with his age.

 

[brownie4583]

He needs to be more commanding in his area than he is at present and his distribution needs some work.

 

[Hodgyman]

I considered that at the time George dived, the Fulham player was a couple of feet away from him and went forward into George with trailing feet. In other words he chose to run into him rather than George going forward to the forward. No penalty in my book

Flynn's however was a penalty in anyone's book.. There again, I'm biased

 

[SwissBlade]

People will remember it better when I say it was just after we scored and Doyle played a square ball across the back 4 to their striker

Yep a big example in the first half of how we were wasting possession. Not sure what Doyle was thinking with that ball!

Credit to him though for getting back in and helping to almost get George long sent off by smashing into the Fulham striker after long slid into his legs!

 

[Sharrowblade]

Whether or not, you agree it was a penalty or not, a red card etc, the rule (law 12) under its current intepretation is ridiculous.

I think many of us will remember Willie Young hacking down Paul Allen in the 1980 Cup final, the incident which proved to be the catalyst for the introduction of the so called professional foul a couple of years later.

Originally, the ruling was that a player had to be making a deliberate attempt to deny a goal scoring opportunity. (ala Willie Young). I don't think anyone had an issue with that.

Yesterday, Long clearly had only genuine intent to get the ball and not the player, he didn't raise his leg to trip him and at no point made any attempt to deliberately foul the opponent. If Rodallega had rounded Longy and he had rugby tackled him that would have been different.

Unfortunately, Fifa changed the ruling in 1998, and omitted the 'deliberate' from the Law.

Therefore under today's ruling it doesn't matter if it was deliberate or not,..... which to me goes totally against the spirit of the game, and what they originally set out to do, which was basically, to stop players from cheating.

 

[Damski]

Both teams should've had a penalty. Yellow for Long, I think it wasn't a clear enough opportunity to warrant a red.

 

[Swanseablade]

Unfortunately, Fifa changed the ruling in 1998, and omitted the 'deliberate' from the Law.

I suspect it is because "intent" is sometimes difficult to interpret.

 

[Paulus]

N

I suspect it is because "intent" is sometimes difficult to interpret.

not when Chris Morgan and Gerrard are concerned.

 

[sitwell]

N

not when the Sheffield centre half and Gerrard are concerned.

 

[broomhillblade]

I'm sure strikers are taught these days to run into the keeper, trip over him and they'll probably get a penalty.

I'm equally sure that in my young day keepers could flatten strikers and get away with it, provided they were going for the ball. Strikers would try to jump over the keeper, rather than risk getting injured. That was before football became less of a contact sport and diving became an integral part of the game.

 

[broomhillblade]

PS: Let's not forget the infamous Harald Schumacher:

Schumacher was involved in a collision with a French defender, substitute Patrick Battiston, in the semi-final of the 1982 World Cup. Battiston had just beaten Schumacher to a through ball fromMichel Platini, but shot wide of the goal. Instead of trying to defend the shot, Schumacher appeared to jump directly at Battiston, and collided with him in mid-air. Battiston was knocked unconscious, and later slipped into a coma. He also lost his two front teeth and had a damaged vertebra. He received oxygen on the pitch. Michel Platini later said that he thought that Battiston had died, because "he had no pulse and looked pale". The Dutch referee Charles Corver did not award a free kick for the incident. Schumacher then proceeded to take the goal kick and play resumed. Germany would eventually go on to win the game on penalty kicks after the match was tied at 3–3.

Schumacher caused more controversy after the game with his response to news that Battiston had lost three teeth: "If that's all that's wrong with him, I'll pay him the crowns." Schumacher later apologised in person to Battiston, who accepted the apology.

A French newspaper poll asked which was the least popular man in France, and Schumacher beat Adolf Hitler into second.

When West Germany and France met again in World Cup 1986, Battiston said that the incident was "forgiven and forgotten". However, he said that he was wary of getting "close to Schumacher" and said that he would hold a distance of at least 40 meters from the German goalkeeper. Schumacher would mostly refrain from commenting on the incident.

 

[BerksBlade]

I'm sure strikers are taught these days to run into the keeper, trip over him and they'll probably get a penalty.

I'm equally sure that in my young day keepers could flatten strikers and get away with it, provided they were going for the ball. Strikers would try to jump over the keeper, rather than risk getting injured. That was before football became less of a contact sport and diving became an integral part of the game.

I think I heard it described somewhere (Gary Neville?) as "anticipating the contact". The striker dangles a leg in an unnatural position and goes down when it gets clipped.
Seen it a couple of times and I'm still not sure. Rodallega seems to "dip" his leg rather than attempt to jump over Long

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

He needs to be more commanding in his area than he is at present and his distribution needs some work.

Give him another 14 years, it will come.
Goalies peak at 34 don't they?