Myth or fact re International Players…..

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QUOTE="Bell4, post: 5584147, member: 16398"]
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Thanks for the heads up - I must stop jumping to mild racism
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Not sure where racism comes into it! I think given Wells was playing in England from an early age, it's easy to assume he was born and raised here
 
St Annington said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/65151433

Wilder explains his stance here while at Watford.

And he accused the Hornets of playing like individuals rather than a team in their defeat at Kenilworth Road.

"It might be a bit of a cultural re-set [is needed] for the football club," Wilder told BBC Three Counties Radio.

"This is Championship football, you've got to do a lot of things right physically and mentally before the tactical and technical part even come into play.
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I think its a very fine balance regarding this IMO.

You can be as fit as a fiddle running around a lot chasing a ball, but if you arent skillful enough to look after the ball when you have it, you give it away quickly and then have to chase to get the ball again (how many what would be classed as basic passes have gone astray this season?).

The FA changed focus on junior football several years ago, introducing smaller pitches to try and improve players technically.
Could you say England getting to semi finals and finals more consistently shows its working?

Having said that, there will always be a place for the stronger and fitter players.

Its a very fine balance, but in a team, there needs to be the right balance.

Thats what makes football great.
Everyone has there own thoughts and ideas of whats best.
 
fifty shades of blade said:
QUOTE="Bell4, post: 5584147, member: 16398"]
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Thanks for the heads up - I must stop jumping to mild racism
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Not sure where racism comes into it! I think given Wells was playing in England from an early age, it's easy to assume he was born and raised here
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I agree but I thought I’d play that card b4 anyone else did

Sign of the times ?
 
SwissBlade said:
Using data more but he’s also stressed that the methods to find the right character of players is still used as well.

If the Wilder quote is correct Blade56 then he’s not saying no to international players, just not a team full of them

Two of the spine this season have been Souttar and Souza with Hamer and Anel also playing a huge role in the success so it also shows that international players have been hugely important as well

What is important to Wilder is the character of players, no matter where they come from, but also the understanding of our club. We are the plucky underdog, so I think it’s right that players know and understand this.

Again, regardless of where they come from they have to understand what it means to play for the club and not just pick up a wage…
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Well if character is important there is one obvious country and their national squad is ok and that is - Ukraine.
 
fifty shades of blade said:
Completely agree. And many countries, particularly those in europe, have a forward thinking state education system and insist pupils learn multiple languages, one of them is always English. It's just we have an education system that lets our kids down, thinks they don't need to speak another language, for some reason. Learning another language should not be a choice in school, it should be mandatory. That said, many kids in England leave school barely able to write a legible sentence in English 🤣🤣
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I wouldnt mind but - why was it always bloody French !! Nearly every school did the same sodding book Le familie Bertillon d'jourdhui or whatever. Philippe, Marie Claude and the customs officer dad. Ma stayed at home I think.

No doubt the modern version is Le familie Bertillon/Hamza/Ogundipe d'jourdhui with Philippe, Amal, Marie Claude and Mohammed. Dad one got injured in a terrorist bomb attack, Mrs was a convert to Islam and married one of the terrorists brothers then when she was abused shacked up with a Nigerian drug warlord.

Never had the chance of doing German, Spanish or Geordie :)
 
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Apologies if already mentioned but I haven't seen anyone mention Ndiaye, who was picked from Boreham Wood while Wilder was manager and is French/Senegalese and now of course a Senegal international player.
Lys Mousset is French, although signed from Bournemouth.

On the point of players being signed because of connections, Ahmedhodzic was recommended by Lester from when both were at Forest.
 
Blacksea said:
In the 90'ies we had quite a few half decent foreign players we got directly from various countries,and a few poor ones too.
That Portuguese striker who went to Birmingham seemed to score nearly every game for us.
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Laurens ten heuvel reyt player (not) or wilko de vogt I'm sure we signed nearing enough same time dint we?
 
Has anyone considered that Wilder might not be responsible for implementing a broader scouting network abroad?

As already said, of course we will have some level of network set up, but given the low number of players directly purchased from foreign clubs, it's fair to assume that it's fairly basic compared to teams like Brighton.

Surely this then is something the club hierarchy is responsible for, more so than Wilder? If it was a case of the system being there - and Wilder choosing to ignore it - then fair enough it's ignorance on his part. Generally and historically, the players brought to managements attention have been poor finds (Traore, Retsos, Zivkovic, then further along we had gems like Carney, Fahti, Shelton...) so I'm not surprised Wilder hasn't been more active in this domain.

It's obviously an area requiring investment and that's the responsibility of our clubs new owners 🤞
 

GymClassHero said:
Has anyone considered that Wilder might not be responsible for implementing a broader scouting network abroad?

As already said, of course we will have some level of network set up, but given the low number of players directly purchased from foreign clubs, it's fair to assume that it's fairly basic compared to teams like Brighton.

Surely this then is something the club hierarchy is responsible for, more so than Wilder? If it was a case of the system being there - and Wilder choosing to ignore it - then fair enough it's ignorance on his part. Generally and historically, the players brought to managements attention have been poor finds (Traore, Retsos, Zivkovic, then further along we had gems like Carney, Fahti, Shelton...) so I'm not surprised Wilder hasn't been more active in this domain.

It's obviously an area requiring investment and that's the responsibility of our clubs new owners 🤞
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It might be the case. It could also be the case that overseas scouting hasn’t been given priority because the manager didn’t think it necessary. We don’t know, do we. But there are hopeful signs that the new ownership will change things for the better, giving us a much wider and more cost effective pool to fish in.
 
FMBlade1 said:
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Thread 'Scouting infrastructure problems'



This is something myself and a few others have been going on about for quite a while so I was glad someone brought this up at the fan's forum.

I am not glad however at the response which seems to be extremely shortsighted. The championship is full of players who have been brought in from overseas, they are able to do this because of the scouting infrastructure that they have. Why do we not have this as well?

Our strategy of lower league British players is all well and good but the market is getting more and more heated here, so now (which is why I bring this up)...
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Agreed- made this point in 2017 and not much seems to have changed since!
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The lads from Peru and Bulgaria say hello.
 
Nick Jansky said:
It might be the case. It could also be the case that overseas scouting hasn’t been given priority because the manager didn’t think it necessary. We don’t know, do we. But there are hopeful signs that the new ownership will change things for the better, giving us a much wider and more cost effective pool to fish in.
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I agree to an extent, but the evidence in my eyes strongly suggests that it's more a Sheffield United trait than a managerial one.

It's no secret Chris's preference for British players previously, but as an 'old school' manager who has progressed up the pyramid, that shouldn't come as a surprise. The new owners seem committed to expanding our market so we will see
 
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