Long - 2nd goal on Saturday

[Trafford]

It looked like a keeper error in real time and, having subsequently seen the footage, it looks even worse than I had thought - he seems to dive past the ball when he could have just stood where he was and caught it without being challenged. To be fair the 2 players that ran in front of him may have distracted him but keeping your eye on the ball is basic stuff.

Yet another game where I can't remember our keeper making a save of any note and yet we still conceded 2 (and that's not a dig at Long).

On a related topic, what's the point in having Howard as back up - it's clear that he's not going to get a game unless Long is injured, so we may as well ship him out and bring somebody else in.

 

[Patrick Suffaux]

Like I said in another thread, a centre half should be attacking that cross. Long ended up in no man's land because he saw very quickly that nobody was taking responsibility in front of him.

He should have never been forced to come off his line but he was.

 

[Jon Bon]

It looked like a keeper error in real time and, having subsequently seen the footage, it looks even worse than I had thought - he seems to dive past the ball when he could have just stood where he was and caught it without being challenged. To be fair the 2 players that ran in front of him may have distracted him but keeping your eye on the ball is basic stuff.

Yet another game where I can't remember our keeper making a save of any note and yet we still conceded 2 (and that's not a dig at Long).

On a related topic, what's the point in having Howard as back up - it's clear that he's not going to get a game unless Long is injured, so we may as well ship him out and bring somebody else in.

You are accused of heresy on three counts. Heresy by thought, heresy by word, heresy by deed, and heresy by action. Four - four counts...

 

[Sharpestblade]

My take on the goal was the 1 man wall let them put the ball in the "corridor of uncertainty" so there should have been 2 AND more importantly the centre halves have to deal with that ball going in, they can't be leaving that to the keeper. The Bradford player get's in front of the defender and once that happens it's trouble. So I don't feel George Long was too much to blame, although I would say why didn't he make sure the wall protected him and he didn't make sure the centre halves were in the right place. Stupid goal to give away, bet captain Morgan was not impressed.

 

[Elsecar_Blade]

I thought Long was to blame but he wasn't helped by Maguire and Collins not attacking the ball. Long had two options - come and catch or stay on his line. He did neither and both and got made to look daft.

I think he'll end up a decent keeper but he's been poor this season. If we were offered north of 1.5m I'd be tempted to accept it. Needs a rest for sure.

 

[WhiteHawk]

When I saw it in TV my first reaction was "What the fuck is Long doing?!" then after rewinding it and looking again a couple of times I still thought "What the fuck is Long doing?!"

He just seemed to jump out of the way of the ball!

 

[sheffielder]

Long is taking far too much grief, where senior professionals are getting passes. We need a strong Centre Half who talks to his keeper and back 4. Is getting a new keeper going to mean that Collins starts jumping or even stops falling over the ball?

Someone should have been in line of the front post to cut off that free kick. Someone other than Long should have worked that out.

The problems is our back 5 don't fucking speak to each other. Now you can replace your keeper, which at this point I understand, however I still think the problems will persist

 

[UnitedBlade]

I Collins not attacking the ball

You can't accuse Collins of not attacking the ball, he scored !

Hanson never touched it.

 

[UnitedBlade]

Like I said in another thread, a centre half should be attacking that cross. Long ended up in no man's land because he saw very quickly that nobody was taking responsibility in front of him.

He should have never been forced to come off his line but he was.

Because it was clear Maguire's player could get a touch, Long had to anticipate and react which is why he went that way. It hit his leg and cannoned in off the shin of Collins.

Stupid free kick given away by McGinn and an extremely well hit free kick.

 

[Bladesway]

Its shit being a keeper. You come for a ball and can look a clot, you stay on your line and equally can look silly. You make a positional error as a centre half etc and it doesn't always end with the ball in the back of the net. I'm not saying he is not to blame in some way but we have been spoiled in recent years with keepers. We are probably getting our just deserts right now. Average young keeper with a lower than average defence, scared stiff of making mistakes and hey presto they do just that.

 

[boo radley]

Who organised the wall?
Why was Baxter OK'd to leave the wall and by who?

 

[sheffielder]

Who organised the wall?
Why was Baxter OK'd to leave the wall and by who?

No idea, but if Clough didn't like Baxter running off he would have been told. i don't see why you need a wall from the touch line myself. It should be dealt with like a corner where we have a big man in line with the front post so flat freekicks like that are easily dealt with.

 

[boo radley]

No idea, but if Clough didn't like Baxter running off he would have been told. i don't see why you need a wall from the touch line myself. It should be dealt with like a corner where we have a big man in line with the front post so flat freekicks like that are easily dealt with.

You could be right but if Baxter had stayed there the ball would have had to be played in differently.

 

[sheffielder]

You could be right but if Baxter had stayed there the ball would have had to be played in differently.

If a player had been stood in line with the front post, like a corner the ball would have been put in differently

 

[boo radley]

If a player had been stood in line with the front post, like a corner the ball would have been put in differently

Sorry I may be reading you wrong. I thought Flynn was lined up by Long. as that was happening Baxter was with Flynn. Had he stayed there the ball would have hit Baxter or would have had to be played in differently.
Either way I thought it was the Goalies job to organize the wall and say how many he wanted?

 

[cooperblade]

Who organised the wall?
Why was Baxter OK'd to leave the wall and by who?

Long organised the wall and very clearly told the 2nd player (Baxter?) that he wanted him out of the wall.

 

[sheffielder]

Long organised the wall and very clearly told the 2nd player (Baxter?) that he wanted him out of the wall.

How many players do you need in a wall 40 yards from the goal line and on the left hand touch line?

 

[Lane Ender]

In that situation two defenders are enough to deal with that ball full back on the post and a central defender.

Got to be a two man wall at least.

Keeper must stay on his line, with one man in the wall too much of the goal was shown to the free kick taker.

 

[boo radley]

Long organised the wall and very clearly told the 2nd player (Baxter?) that he wanted him out of the wall.

How many players do you need in a wall 40 yards from the goal line and on the left hand touch line?

In that situation two defenders are enough to deal with that ball full back on the post and a central defender.

Got to be a two man wall at least.

Keeper must stay on his line, with one man in the wall too much of the goal was shown to the free kick taker.

That is the point. Long organised it badly in the first place.
If Flynn however was in line with the rest of our defense, or if our defense lined up with Flynn as an offside line then there should be a two man wall.
Would it be easier to defend from the goal line coming out (so there is little chance of an offside being given). If so then Sheffielder and Lane Ender have made the suggestion of a man on the post.

 

[sitwell]

Long organised the wall and very clearly told the 2nd player (Baxter?) that he wanted him out of the wall.

You mean he actually spoke ? I thought he was mute.

 

[sheffielder]

That is the point. Long organised it badly in the first place.
If Flynn however was in line with the rest of our defense, or if our defense lined up with Flynn as an offside line then there should be a two man wall.
Would it be easier to defend from the goal line coming out (so there is little chance of an offside being given). If so then Sheffielder and Lane Ender have made the suggestion of a man on the post.

not on the post but in line with the front post, but half way between the 6 yard box and the edge of the D in line with the post.

Evern if there was 2 men in the wall there should have been a man in line with the front post as you know it's getting whipped in. I think you could put half put this on Long's inexperience and whatever they practice in training. Coaches decide how you set up for corners and free kicks.

Long seems to be getting alot of grief when both Maguire and Collins allowed balls to bounce constantly.Their desire to want to play football with everything which come their way and not clearing lines is what causes the pressure.For the first 15 minutes of the second half we struggled to clear most things and both the goals they scored came from a second phase of us not being able to clear.

I have yet to see anyone ask why nobody closed down for the 1st goal and again like always the youngsters get the grief while more experienced players get free passes.

 

[sheffielder]

You mean he actually spoke ? I thought he was mute.

Open season for you isn't it.

 

[Esteban Cambiasso]

Thought he dived way to early for the first goal too, at fault for both imo, proven striker and new keeper needed in jan or there's a good chance we will go down

 

[stannyblade]

Come on we all know it was Porters fault.

 

[sheffielder]

Come on we all know it was Porters fault.

New rules apply. You're not allowed to saying anything about Doyle or Porter, however scapegoating Long is now fashionable

 

[Lane Ender]

Nine times out ten free kicks as for Bradford's second are going to be whipped in whether near post or far post.
What we are talking about is the near post where the precise positioning of the defenders is debatable but there's got to be at least two and the keeper ready to deal with the ball.
Long came half hearted he should have been strong and positive.
At the moment he hasn't got those qualities it's doubtfull he ever will.

 

[sheffielder]

Nine times out ten free kicks as for Bradford's second are going to be whipped in whether near post or far post.
What we are talking about is the near post where the precise positioning of the defenders is debatable but there's got to be at least two and the keeper ready to deal with the ball.
Long came half hearted he should have been strong and positive.
At the moment he hasn't got those qualities it's doubtfull he ever will.

So to sum it up, he didn't put 2 men in the wall, have a man covering the front post, dived the wrong way and didn't come for the free kick?

Is there anything else?

 

[Lane Ender]

So to sum it up, he didn't put 2 men in the wall, have a man covering the front post, dived the wrong way and didn't come for the free kick?

Is there anything else?

I'm just stating observations I'd never say nothing malicious on here regarding any of usual scapegoats especially Long.
Long and the management know he has to improve dramatically in varying aspects of his game and I reckon it would be good for him if we brought in a journeyman keeper for a period for him to iron things out.

 

[Cool Clint]

So to sum it up, he didn't put 2 men in the wall, have a man covering the front post, dived the wrong way and didn't come for the free kick?

Is there anything else?

the man on the post is a no go because of the line of the defense but as for the rest you are right.

 

[Cool Clint]

I'm just stating observations I'd never say nothing malicious on here regarding any of usual scapegoats especially Long.
Long and the management know he has to improve dramatically in varying aspects of his game and I reckon it would be good for him if we brought in a journeyman keeper for a period for him to iron things out.

We have a journeyman keeper in Howard. We also have a journey man keeper as his coach in the form of Darren Ward.
Pity Steve Simonsen has gone to Rangers eh!