Jose Baxter

[Mendi]

It looks like Jose Baxter will end up leaving if he going to stay on the sub bench. i feel he doesn't fit in Nigel Clough plans.

 

[Karaoke Blade]

Good.

 

[Silent Blade]

It looks like Jose Baxter will end up leaving if he going to stay on the sub bench. i feel he doesn't fit in Nigel Clough plans.

The first pass he made yesterday (to McMahon who got in the box) was very good but for the rest of the game his passes were usually wayward

 

[Deadbat]

His signing and the Cuvelier ones have been two really poor buys that have not worked. We all blamed Weir and the formation but neither was picked by Morgan or Clough. Sadly a few good games for struggling Oldham and on loan for Walsall did not justify the type of hype they got when we signed them.

Don't buy this wrong position crap or formation talk. If they are that good surely they would stand out wherever?

Baxter is overweight and unfit and Cuvelier has the heart of a pea in the games I have seen. Along with Murphy more dross that everyone thought might be good signings but are even worse than the rubbish we already have.

Our scouting system is an utter joke if the likes of those Westlake, Johns, McGinty, Taylor are the best we can find. We are signing dross after dross and then wonder why we continue to sink through the leagues.

Still waiting for pace, aggression and athleticism in a signing. Seems like we cannot find one player who actually has any of these qualities (Brandy maybe but he is always suspended).

 

[highpeakblade]

I don't want Baxter to leave but at the minute he has hugely disappointed me for whatever reason. He impressed me with comments a month or so ago in which he said the fans need and deserve to see the team playing well but he hasn't delivered on that.

I'm not totally sure that the players around Baxter suit his style of play. For any positives that Doyle has, I think his style of play takes a lot of the qualities out of our creative players games.

 

[Deadly_D'Jaffo]

I refuse to believe a player can be successful at other teams around us in the same league, but then go on to sign for us and turn to shit. I also find it much harder to believe that lightening strikes twice. Well it has, with Baxter & Cuvelier. Both standout players for Oldham and Walsall last season. They've not signed for us and made a conscious effort to rot. They've signed for us, slotted into a shit team and like the young players they are have had the terrible example set by our senior players rub off on them.

So to summarise, they're note shit, they're just surrounded by it and given no effective mentoring.

 

[Patrick Suffaux]

His signing and the Cuvelier ones have been two really poor buys that have not worked.

They haven't worked because we're crap and have been poorly managed. They're both very good players and I've seen the proof at other clubs.

Sadly players like this are supposed to be the icing on the cake, the ones that give us that extra bit of quality, the trimmings. Sadly we have absolutely no core.

 

[Bergen Blade]

Don't buy this wrong position crap or formation talk. If they are that good surely they would stand out wherever?

Disagree. Our underperforming squad, full of players who have done well at the current level or even above, shows the importance of tactics, team composition and squad morale.

 

[Deadly_D'Jaffo]

Disagree. Our underperforming squad, full of players who have done well at the current level or even above, shows the importance of tactics, team composition and squad morale.

It's basic human nature; you inherently change to your circumstance. If Baxter & Cuvelier joined a stable club, where the senior players might help nurture them, then they would play to the best of their ability. At the moment, they are at a club with a culture of ill-discipline, poor leadership and generally a negative attitude.

 

[Deadbat]

I agree things could be tweaked to tactics and formations but the main reasons we are doing so badly is down to basics. Not wanting it enough and lack of desire is a big one for me and winning 50/50's, first and second balls are more important than most things at this level. That is all Gillingham did yesterday and that was shown on the goals (Long was beaten by someone with more desire) and then on the rebound o the second no one bothered to react. Going the other way players need to have the balls to get games by scruff of neck, attack players, get wide, get crosses in and have shots.

Football is overthought too much and the constant debate over systems, formations and style covers up many of the basics that so many of are players cannot get right either as they cant do it or wont do it. If United had uppped effort alone by 10-20% yesterday they would have won the game as a result of having more ball and then putting them under more pressure.

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As for Baxter and Cuvelier. Baxter did well for Oldham who were about where we have been most of the season; last season. He was actually out of their team when we signed him and had been poor this season by all accounts. He is massively overweight and has no mobility. A decent footballer but he is not a striker an cant get up and down as a midfielder. Unsure where he plays or if he could last 90 minutes?

Cuvelier has done nothing. Precisely zilch in the games I saw and was playing regular when we had that run of defeats. He looks disinterested to me and showed no heart for the fight. He is another that has done well on loan at Walsall but they were mid table last season and nearer the bottom previous one. He has played around 40 games in about 3 or 4 seasons so has only played around 20% of a season?

Maybe it is not them. Maybe everything is down to Collins and Doyle etc but if these 2 had anything about them I would expect them to stand out in such a terrible side and blaming formations and others for their complete lack of impact is pushing it. Too many people are not taking responsibility and not sure why because they are 'new' they get excused?

For what it is worth I would dump Collins, Doyle, McMahon etc and the rest a long time before those above but seen nothing in either to convince me they would be part of any resurgence other than the hype and one or tow decent games for fellow struggling sides at this level in seasons past.

 

[BerksBlade]

Baxter managed to score 15 goals playing for an average L1 team. He should have been the perfect replacement for McDonald (who is probably even less mobile?). But something seems to have gone badly wrong. The Cuvelier signing I just can't fathom - I don't see where he plays and he's just too lightweight.

 

[Patrick Suffaux]

Baxter managed to score 15 goals playing for an average L1 team. He should have been the perfect replacement for McDonald (who is probably even less mobile?). But something seems to have gone badly wrong. The Cuvelier signing I just can't fathom - I don't see where he plays and he's just too lightweight.

He terrorised opposition defenders last season for Walsall. Play him anywhere across the middle but give him freedom. He's a flair player and sadly we haven't got the team to allow him to play to his strengths.

 

[bladeinspaceandtime]

How are players supposed to "stand out" when playing in a team alongside the likes of Doyle and McMahon?

 

[puppet]

He terrorised opposition defenders last season for Walsall. Play him anywhere across the middle but give him freedom. He's a flair player and sadly we haven't got the team to allow him to play to his strengths.

Genuine question not a sarcastic respose but how do you know he 'terrorised defenders last season for Walsall'?? How many games did you actually see?

 

[bartman]

How are players supposed to "stand out" when playing in a team alongside the likes of Doyle and McMahon?

How can McMahon badly effect the performance of a midfielder. What about his performances under Westlake. What is the excuse for Baxter who appears to keep passing the ball to the opposition and certainly looks unfit

Obviously it cant be Baxter's fault can it? It's McMahon and Doyle's

 

[Bergen Blade]

The first pass he made yesterday (to McMahon who got in the box) was very good but for the rest of the game his passes were usually wayward

There was another good pass to Miller (who shot wide), and also one to Taylor (who got a cross in). Apart from that he, too, played a lot of hopeful chips into the box which was easy for their defenders to read and difficult for our forwards to do anything with.

He does look a bit chubby.

 

[Bladesman]

There was another good pass to Miller (who shot wide), and also one to Taylor (who got a cross in). Apart from that he, too, played a lot of hopeful chips into the box which was easy for their defenders to read and difficult for our forwards to do anything with.

He does look a bit chubby.

Too many pies at half time.

 

[Patrick Suffaux]

Genuine question not a sarcastic respose but how do you know he 'terrorised defenders last season for Walsall'?? How many games did you actually see?

Enough. Must have watched him playing for Walsall 3 times live and several times on highlights off the top of my head. Generally caused mayhem with some powerful running and a good range of passing. Very talented young player and his country clearly think so as well as he's been capped at every level up to U21 so far. That's a country churning out talented young players for fun at the moment.

If only we knew how to use him.....

 

[mattbianco1]

It looks like Jose Baxter will end up leaving if he going to stay on the sub bench. i feel he doesn't fit in Nigel Clough plans.

His signing and the Cuvelier ones have been two really poor buys that have not worked.

I think both aren't suited to a flat 4-4-2. Baxter likes to play in the hole which in this formation there isn't one. If Baxter wants to play, he's gonna have to go for the strikers role.

I don't feel Cuvelier or Baxter are standard central midfielders. Both very gifted players but I don't know where they'll fit in.

 

[Living In a Fantasy World]

It looks like Jose Baxter will end up leaving if he going to stay on the sub bench. i feel he doesn't fit in Nigel Clough plans.

To early to say, Clough has only been here for 4 games, I'm sure he will be getting his chance soon.

 

[Living In a Fantasy World]

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[bladeinspaceandtime]

How can McMahon badly effect the performance of a midfielder. What about his performances under Westlake. What is the excuse for Baxter who appears to keep passing the ball to the opposition and certainly looks unfit

Obviously it cant be Baxter's fault can it? It's McMahon and Doyle's

The point is that there appears to be something fundamentally wrong with the first team. Players have been brought in that have put in decent performances for other clubs at this level, then suddenly turn into a pile of shit when they pull on a red and white striped shirt. The senior pros at the club should be galvanising the team into action - this doesn't appear to be happening.

 

[Bladesway]

OK heres the rub, shit players surrounded by more shit players equals a shit team. When you get good players and sell them you end up where we are. Shit.

 

[Grecian2000]

OK heres the rub, shit players surrounded by more shit players equals a shit team. When you get good players and sell them you end up where we are. Shit.

Good business though.

Oh, and don't forget the mantra, "everyone is replaceable".

 

[super_pig]

How can McMahon badly effect the performance of a midfielder. What about his performances under Westlake. What is the excuse for Baxter who appears to keep passing the ball to the opposition and certainly looks unfit

Obviously it cant be Baxter's fault can it? It's McMahon and Doyle's

and Collins and Flynn.. don't forget them

 

[madeinsheffield]

Oh, and don't forget the mantra, "everyone is replaceable".[/quote]

or "we already have his replacement here at the club"

 

[Rodders]

Good business though.

Oh, and don't forget the mantra, "everyone is replaceable".

..and "he might get injured and never play again"

 

[bartman]

and Collins and Flynn.. don't forget them

and Matt Hill

 

[Bladesway]

Good business though.

Apart from when we do it apparently.

 

[mattbianco1]

OK heres the rub, shit players surrounded by more shit players equals a shit team. When you get good players and sell them you end up where we are. Shit.

The shit players finished in the play offs last season. We have strengthened the squad this season but something is a miss.