David Weir - Moving the Goalposts?

[alcoblade]

Oddly enough I know why he got sacked, what I am saying is things did change while he was there, hence the goalposts moving is not an incorrect statement. I don't think him failing is an issue to debate to be honest unless you are of the opinion that 13 games wasn't a fair crack of the whip.

The only things that changed after he got here were;

He was given more resource than he expected - hence 13 signings
He turned us from promotion hopefuls to relegation certs
He didn't have to work for 3 years to be paid £1,000,000

I can, in a way, understand him trying to explain away his incompetence. I'm amazed some of our own fans are still so wrapped up in hating everything about our club that they'd take his side on this one.

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[Darren]

The only things that changed after he got here were;

He was given more resource than he expected - hence 13 signings
He turned us from promotion hopefuls to relegation certs
He didn't have to work for 3 years to be paid £1,000,000

I can, in a way, understand him trying to explain away his incompetence. I'm amazed some of our own fans are still so wrapped up in hating everything about our club that they'd take his side on this one.

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Out of interest, is the £1M figure plucked from the air or is it based on facts?

Genuine question.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

Oddly enough I know why he got sacked, what I am saying is things did change while he was there, hence the goalposts moving is not an incorrect statement. I don't think him failing is an issue to debate to be honest unless you are of the opinion that 13 games wasn't a fair crack of the whip.

Turned out 13 games was 12 too many

 

[grafikhaus]

What utter bollocks.

Any owner of the club, apart from Mr Mad McMad of Madsville, five times winner of Mr Mad UK, would have have insisted that Weir had the same basic job - to win a few games. He failed to do that.

In a nutshell. Memory plays tricks, and I wouldn't be surprised if in the future some people will say that Weir 'wasn't that bad'.

He was. Incredibly bad.

Without a doubt, we'd have lost last week at Colchester under Weir and still remain an extremely weak patient, but we'll get there.

 

[sitwell]

More like 400 k ,he was supposedly on 130k a year wasn't he ?

 

[alcoblade]

Out of interest, is the £1M figure plucked from the air or is it based on facts?

Genuine question.

Dazzler - NEVER et the truth get in the way fo a good story. It didn't stop Bladesway, so it won't stop me.

I read that the average salary of a L1 manager was a bit over £100,000. I doubled it for us, with our wages being more than double L1 average. Then added a bit for effect. Then muliplied by a 3 years contract.




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[Darren]

Dazzler - NEVER et the truth get in the way fo a good story. It didn't stop Bladesway, so it won't stop me.

I read that the average salary of a L1 manager was a bit over £100,000. I doubled it for us, with our wages being more than double L1 average. Then added a bit for effect. Then muliplied by a 3 years contract.




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In 2005, the spread in the 3rd tier was apparently £55,000 to £200,000

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...rinces-and-paupers-of-the-dugout-6149966.html

I think we can fairly assume we were at the top of that spread and that wages will have gone up a bit in the last 8 years. On a conservative estimate, I reckon Weir was on £250K a year.

He won't have been paid all of his assumed £750K - he would have had a discount for early receipt. Bear in mind that we would also be entitled to recoup the value of anything he earns between now and 2016. Rather than have the complication of that dragging on for 3 years with us chasing him for money and him trying to hide, I suspect the parties agreed a clean break figure taking into account a discount for his likely future eernings.

Taking all that into account I reckon he got paid no more than £400K.

 

[Darren]

I should add as well that the bulk of that £400K would be taxable at 40%, so Weir himself walked away with around £260K

 

[Bladesway]

Dazzler - NEVER et the truth get in the way fo a good story. It didn't stop Bladesway, so it won't stop me.

You been sniffing meths with Metalblade again?

 

[Living In a Fantasy World]

Its not a big ask for a few wins, only team we had beaten was notts county who are bottom. Shame he keeps popping up with the odd comment defending his reign.
Games:13 Won:1 Drew:3 Lost:9
win%7.69 Just can't defend that record.

 

[Highbury_Blade]

Is that right? When we changed from McEwan to Bassett and from Robson to Blackwell, there was a radical change in style and an improvement in the fortunes of the club (albeit after a relegation in Bassett's case).

The idea that a club can have a "plan" and agree on a "style" for the long term and that this will guarantee success is, I am afraid, nonsense. Not all clubs can, by definition, can be successful. Football is all about reacting to short term events and the clubs who do that most efficiently are the most successful.

In 2005, the spread in the 3rd tier was apparently £55,000 to £200,000

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...rinces-and-paupers-of-the-dugout-6149966.html

I think we can fairly assume we were at the top of that spread and that wages will have gone up a bit in the last 8 years. On a conservative estimate, I reckon Weir was on £250K a year.

He won't have been paid all of his assumed £750K - he would have had a discount for early receipt. Bear in mind that we would also be entitled to recoup the value of anything he earns between now and 2016. Rather than have the complication of that dragging on for 3 years with us chasing him for money and him trying to hide, I suspect the parties agreed a clean break figure taking into account a discount for his likely future eernings.

Taking all that into account I reckon he got paid no more than £400K.

If they haven't agreed a settlement with him then he'll still be on full pay.

Just like Roberto di matteo who is pulling in 6.7m a year from Chelsea until next year.

 

[OllyBlade]

Its not a biog ask for a few wins, only team we had beaten was notts county who are bottom. Shame he keeps popping up with the odd comment defending his reign.
Games:13 Won:1 Drew:3 Lost:9
win%7.69 Just can't defend that record.

Your user name is quite a good synopsis of Weir's opinions on his time at the lane

 

[Darren]

If they haven't agreed a settlement with him then he'll still be on full pay.

Just like Roberto di matteo who is pulling in 6.7m a year from Chelsea until next year.

Weir would have a duty to mitigate his loss - i.e. take reasonable steps to get other work.

Obviously, I don't know what the arrangement is, but I think it suits both parties to have a lump sum clean break in this sort of situation.

 

[Rodders]

Not sure how this thread has gotten to 6 pages - he's clearly not going to say "I brought in loads of players in who were mostly crap, we couln't barely manage a shot and I couldn't even get them to beat Hartlepool!"

 

[alcoblade]

You been sniffing meths with Metalblade again?

Being such a fan of Weir, I can only presume you live off the stuff.



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[Sothall_Blade]

Alan Biggs article on Weir's pre-season training regime and the players lack of fitness:-

"Word reaches this column that improving fitness standards IS among the priorities of Sheffield United’s new boss.
It comes by chance rather than design from reliable sources outside Bramall Lane and is unlikely to be trumpeted from within.
From what I gather, Clough’s first pre-season programme next summer will contrast sharply with that of Weir’s approach in the opening weeks of his ill-fated reign.
Players traditionally hate hard running but it is proven for building up stamina – and apparently there was very little of it last summer.
The grapevine suggests Clough has found tired legs in some cases. "

No real surprise judging by our performances.
Is Weir's "Assistant Manager - Fitness" still with the club?

 

[Rodders]

Alan Biggs article on Weir's pre-season training regime and the players lack of fitness:-

"Word reaches this column that improving fitness standards IS among the priorities of Sheffield United’s new boss.
It comes by chance rather than design from reliable sources outside Bramall Lane and is unlikely to be trumpeted from within.
From what I gather, Clough’s first pre-season programme next summer will contrast sharply with that of Weir’s approach in the opening weeks of his ill-fated reign.
Players traditionally hate hard running but it is proven for building up stamina – and apparently there was very little of it last summer.
The grapevine suggests Clough has found tired legs in some cases. "

No real surprise judging by our performances.
Is Weir's "Assistant Manager - Fitness" still with the club?

That makes me laugh. It seems at almost every Club when a new manager takes over there are always stories of how unfit the players are and how the new guy will whip them into shape - then he gets sacked and a new bloke takes over and there are stories of how unfit the players are....

 

[Sothall_Blade]

That makes me laugh. It seems at almost every Club when a new manager takes over there are always stories of how unfit the players are and how the new guy will whip them into shape - then he gets sacked and a new bloke takes over and there are stories of how unfit the players are....

True. To be fair the full article by Biggs makes that exact same point and says it's more something he's heard on the grapevine than Clough having a go at Weir over it:-

http://www.sheffieldtelegraph.co.uk...clough-intends-to-sharpen-up-blades-1-6242538