Paul Heaton - Concert at the Lane

[CrookesBlade]

Never forgiven him for being silent when we signed Marlon King but kicking up a fuss about Ched Evans trying to milk publicity off the back of that.

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Do you seriously think he was trying to “milk publicity”?

He’s a die hard fan of the club and has been since the 1970s, he was entitled to his opinion and to resign his position if he felt it untenable.

Heaton is well known as somebody who lives and dies by his principles and he’s certainly no hypocrite.

The guy is also one of this country’s greatest living song writers. He doesn’t need to court cheap publicity. He does the media rounds like other performers to promote his work but lives very modestly and doesn’t fleece his fans.

One of the good guys and we should be proud he’s a Blade.

 

[sheepbridge]

Showing my age. Saw The Housemartins on two consecutive nights at The Leadmill in1987 or 88. Crowd was like a crazy, deep religious gathering. Absolutely incredible. Too many Florence Nightingales. . . . .

Saw them at the Octagon in October 86. Great night. Beer everywhere.

 

[FMBlade1]

Do you seriously think he was trying to “milk publicity”?

He’s a die hard fan of the club and has been since the 1970s, he was entitled to his opinion and to resign his position if he felt it untenable.

Heaton is well known as somebody who lives and dies by his principles and he’s certainly no hypocrite.

The guy is also one of this country’s greatest living song writers. He doesn’t need to court cheap publicity. He does the media rounds like other performers to promote his work but lives very modestly and doesn’t fleece his fans.

One of the good guys and we should be proud he’s a Blade.

Yes he was trying to milk publicity, using the situation to promote one of his concerts to boost his profile and image.

Sean Bean kept quiet, why couldn't he?

And if it was a moral stand he was making, why did he keep quiet and not resign when we signed Marlon King?

I'm not saying he's a bad person or should be vilified, rather that he deserves scrutiny and it should not be forgotten about.

 

[nopigfansintown]

Do you seriously think he was trying to “milk publicity”?

He’s a die hard fan of the club and has been since the 1970s, he was entitled to his opinion and to resign his position if he felt it untenable.

Heaton is well known as somebody who lives and dies by his principles and he’s certainly no hypocrite.

The guy is also one of this country’s greatest living song writers. He doesn’t need to court cheap publicity. He does the media rounds like other performers to promote his work but lives very modestly and doesn’t fleece his fans.

One of the good guys and we should be proud he’s a Blade.

I saw Paul in a pub near Milton Keynes the day after Ched got sent down. Obviously going to the match. Kids were playing both his and Smiths songs on the jukebox. He was a nice, approachable bloke. He's doing great things re prices . His band were great at Glastonbury.

 

[Moan? Nope-I saw Longhorn]

Let’s not forget the legend on the reverse of the “Happy Hour” 12” inch single (kids, ask yer Gran):
“more striking power than Lineker, Platini and Joe Bolton all rolled together into a great big cuddly ball."

Also (lesser known fact) - photo on reverse of (Beautiful South) CD (kids, ask yer mam) album Superbi is a hairdressers on Clumber Street in Hull (I lived across the road)

 

[Moan? Nope-I saw Longhorn]

Housemartins were brilliant , my era my time
Beautiful south were as I grew older
This old town song amazing.
Since heaton gone virtually solo or duet his writing has become better .
My bloody phone ain't stopped with messages from hull lads and lasses and I think I might open a hotel for the night .
I'm big pals with a producer and d j from Belfast and they will be over .
You have to buy t-shirt or album of dvd to qualify but I'm more or less sorted so the dream had come true

No purchase necessary even though the album IS worth buying:
Gg

 

[Moan? Nope-I saw Longhorn]

Wait did he speak out/and or resign when we signed Marlon King?

Never forgiven him for being silent when we signed Marlon King but kicking up a fuss about Ched Evans trying to milk publicity off the back of that.

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At the risk of appearing to defend Heaton (confident he can that well enough himself) the Evans ‘resignation’ was a few years later than the King signing.
It could be argued that he had developed a (better) understanding of the ‘issues’ in the intervening years.
The “publicity “ milking cost him a few bob as he donated receipts from a (CityHall) gig to “Rape Crisis”
To support (or undermine) this ‘thesis’ he / Beautiful South no longer play a song entitled “36 D” which is a not so subtle commentary on / misogyny ‘glamour models’albeit from a ‘blokes’ (limited) understanding / viewpoint - took Brianna Corrigan to resign from the BS mind to ‘help him ‘understand’ - albeit that was 1992 & Heaton (& other blokes in the band) acknowledged their lack of understanding of the ‘issue’
He also made a right twat of himself (pissed?) on ‘Question Time’ totally undermining (any) points he was trying to make (more on ‘broader Socialist issues)
Housemartins also espoused‘Christian’ mantra’s - “Take Jesus, Take Marx, Take Hope” sleeve note on 1st album- not aware if PH continues to ‘believe’
Guess what I’m saying is folk can change (develop / grow) & I reckon his attitudes/ approaches come from the right (correct) place

Ahhh insomnia you bastard - let me have some peace
Night night

 

[Dkc]

Let's not forget that Paul's song 'Rotterdam' became 'He's one of our Own'

Hope this is a promotion party without the distraction of the Play Offs. If so get the players and management on stage at the end.

For those who don't know his solo stuff, there's plenty of time to get familiar with it. The first 3 albums with Jaqui Abbot are a good place to start.

 

[FMBlade1]

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At the risk of appearing to defend Heaton (confident he can that well enough himself) the Evans ‘resignation’ was a few years later than the King signing.
It could be argued that he had developed a (better) understanding of the ‘issues’ in the intervening years.
The “publicity “ milking cost him a few bob as he donated receipts from a (CityHall) gig to “Rape Crisis”
To support (or undermine) this ‘thesis’ he / Beautiful South no longer play a song entitled “36 D” which is a not so subtle commentary on / misogyny ‘glamour models’albeit from a ‘blokes’ (limited) understanding / viewpoint - took Brianna Corrigan to resign from the BS mind to ‘help him ‘understand’ - albeit that was 1992 & Heaton (& other blokes in the band) acknowledged their lack of understanding of the ‘issue’
He also made a right twat of himself (pissed?) on ‘Question Time’ totally undermining (any) points he was trying to make (more on ‘broader Socialist issues)
Housemartins also espoused‘Christian’ mantra’s - “Take Jesus, Take Marx, Take Hope” sleeve note on 1st album- not aware if PH continues to ‘believe’
Guess what I’m saying is folk can change (develop / grow) & I reckon his attitudes/ approaches come from the right (correct) place

Ahhh insomnia you bastard - let me have some peace
Night night

Marlon King signed for us September 2013, Evans was released from prison in October 2014 and Heaton resigned in November 2014- just 14 months later.

Wonder when exactly he had this great epiphany and surge in moral courage that was absent between September-December 2013 when King played for us.

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

Marlon King signed for us September 2013, Evans was released from prison in October 2014 and Heaton resigned in November 2014- just 14 months later.

Wonder when exactly he had this great epiphany and surge in moral courage that was absent between September-December 2013 when King played for us.

I mean. The simple answer is. Heaton probs thought Rape was not a good look.

 

[FMBlade1]

I mean. The simple answer is. Heaton probs thought Rape was not a good look.

I mean I'm not attacking his stance on Evans, I'm simply scrutinizing his silence on King, I'm sure he probs thought Sexual assault was not a good look.

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

I'm not attacking his stance on Evans, I'm scrutinizing his silence on King, I'm sure he probs thought Sexual assault was not a good look.

Do we know his views on John MacPhail's improper use of a Student Railcard?

And. Why didn't Heaton stand up to be counted when Tony Kenworthy left the scene of a traffic accident?

 

[FMBlade1]

Do we know his views on John MacPhail's improper use of a Student Railcard?

And. Why didn't Heaton stand up to be counted when Tony Kenworthy left the scene of a traffic accident?

Heaton was a club patron when we signed Marlon King.

I don't believe he ever worked for national rail or law enforcement.

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

Heaton was a club patron when we signed Marlon King.

I don't believe he ever worked for national rail or law enforcement.

Heaton was a Patron of an independent charitable foundation arm of Sheffield United.

 

[FMBlade1]

Heaton was a Patron of an independent charitable foundation arm of Sheffield United.

Correct, he was during the time period of September-December 2013 during which time the club employed a convicted sex offender.

He remained silent during that time and did not resign as Patron of an independent charitable foundation arm of Sheffield United.

Yet he did resign when we offered a different (then) convicted sex offender the chance to train at the club 14 months later.

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

Correct, he was during the time period of September-December 2013 during which time the club employed a convicted sex offender.

He remained silent during that time and did not resign as Patron of an independent charitable foundation arm of Sheffield United.

Yet he did resign when we offered a different (then) convicted sex offender the chance to train at the club 14 months later.

No drama. Die on that hill. Get Blue Peter to stage an appeal...

 

[Berkshire Blade]

Correct, he was during the time period of September-December 2013 during which time the club employed a convicted sex offender.

He remained silent during that time and did not resign as Patron of an independent charitable foundation arm of Sheffield United.

Yet he did resign when we offered a different (then) convicted sex offender the chance to train at the club 14 months later.

Maybe, just maybe he thinks rape is even worse than groping a woman and punching her. Neither are great but one is obviously worse.

 

[ISZA ⚔️]

milk publicity off the back of that.

Tell me you know nothing about Heaton without telling me you know nothing about Heaton

 

[FMBlade1]

Maybe, just maybe he thinks rape is even worse than groping a woman and punching her. Neither are great but one is obviously worse.

What King did was sexual assault. It's interesting that you name the criminal offence Evans was convicted of but don't when it's King.

Both offences are dreadful, one is worse than the other but that's no defence for being silent on the sexual assault one.

 

[FMBlade1]

Tell me you know nothing about Heaton without telling me you know nothing about Heaton

He was in the national spotlight and got himself on Question Time as a result of his stand on Evans.

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He used this attention to draw attention to his concert and boosted his profile and public image by announcing what he would do about the proceeds.

Why didn't he do that when we signed Marlon King?

 

[Berkshire Blade]

What King did was sexual assault. It's interesting that you name the criminal offence Evans was convicted of but don't when it's King.

Both offences are dreadful, one is worse than the other but that's no defence for being silent on the sexual assault one.

Because there's a whole gamit of sexual offences he could have been doing a Neil Shipperly but no he groped a woman.

Keep digging this hole for yourself getting worked up a man didn't want a convicted rapist at the club. It makes you look mad.

 

[FMBlade1]

Because there's a whole gamit of sexual offences he could have been doing a Neil Shipperly but no he groped a woman.

Keep digging this hole for yourself getting worked up a man didn't want a convicted rapist at the club. It makes you look mad.

I, and pretty much 99% of Sheffield United fans did not want convicted sex offender Marlon King to sign for us.

I'm sure those numbers would have been similar for Neil Shipperly if he had been about to sign for us after his sexual offence conviction.

He could have spoken out and resign about King but didn't.

No issue about not wanting Evans to sign for us, I had the same view (changed my mind a couple of months before he was released from prison).

The issue I had is how he remained silent on King and the way he called out the club benefitting himself at the same time.

If he apologised for his silence on King I'd be happy with that and leave it there.

 

[Berkshire Blade]

I, and pretty much 99% of Sheffield United fans did not want convicted sex offender Marlon King to sign for us.

I'm sure those numbers would have been similar for Neil Shipperly if he had been about to sign for us after his sexual offence conviction.

He could have spoken out and resign about King but didn't.

No issue about not wanting Evans to sign for us, I had the same view (changed my mind a couple of months before he was released from prison).

The issue I had is how he remained silent on King and the way he called out the club benefitting himself at the same time.

If he apologised for his silence on King I'd be happy with that and leave it there.

You ever engaged your brain and thought maybe nobody asked his opinion on king as it wasn't a big story like Ched Evans?

He may have been against it too.

 

[FMBlade1]

You ever engaged your brain and thought maybe nobody asked his opinion on king as it wasn't a big story like Ched Evans?

He may have been against it too.

He didn't have to be asked his opinion about it regardless of the size of the story, he could have spoken out but chose not to.

Charlie Webster managed to do it, to her credit:

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[Moan? Nope-I saw Longhorn]

Marlon King signed for us September 2013, Evans was released from prison in October 2014 and Heaton resigned in November 2014- just 14 months later.

Wonder when exactly he had this great epiphany and surge in moral courage that was absent between September-December 2013 when King played for us.

Well
I have no idea what motivation someone had / has to (change) make a decision. When / why did you decide that PH was / is a ‘wrong un’ ?
Perhaps he was ‘uncomfortable’ with the King decision & then felt Evans was a ‘a bridge too far’
At the time he was quoted as saying the club needed to “lift itself out of the gutter”

Or ‘their lass’told him he was a mercenary hypocritical twat with no bollocks’

 

[Ricardo Mantelban]

I can imagine Mr Heaton looks at this forum and if he saw too much of an uproar about his stance (or non stance) on historic incidents involving the club, he would probably cancel the event. I wouldn’t want that to happen. He is one of us who like many on this forum has a certain opinion about things that may differ from others. Let’s move on and enjoy the music in May.

 

[FMBlade1]

Well
I have no idea what motivation someone had / has to (change) make a decision. When / why did you decide that PH was / is a ‘wrong un’ ?
Perhaps he was ‘uncomfortable’ with the King decision & then felt Evans was a ‘a bridge too far’
At the time he was quoted as saying the club needed to “lift itself out of the gutter”

Or ‘their lass’told him he was an hypocritical twat with no bollocks’

As I said above, I don't think Paul Heaton is a bad person or deserves to be vilified, rather scrutinised.

The club's reputation in November 2014 was not in the gutter because we signed Marlon King in September 2013 (although arguably it should have been).

A one-sentence statement about King, even in late 2014, would have sufficed yet he was unwilling to do so.

It's fair to ask why.

 

[LudlamBlade]

Probably isn

I'm not a huge fan, they don't have many good tunes, but they're too electronic sounding to be typical indie landfill. Heavyweight Champion of the World is a legit banger. There's a great article Here about how unkind the term Indie Landfill is considering the 00s indie music scene was actually quite brilliant.

It was weird how one day we woke up and there was just no indie in the charts anymore, and that's how things have stayed ever since.
Kids today go to an indie night and think its acceptable to ask for The 1975. The shame of it

I was a booked act at an indie club night for Freshers recently...at different points the DJ played Ed Sheeran, Taylor Swift, Bruno Mars and Mika.

Never been indie

 

[FMBlade1]

I can imagine Mr Heaton looks at this forum and if he saw too much of an uproar about his stance (or non stance) on historic incidents involving the club, he would probably cancel the event. I wouldn’t want that to happen. He is one of us who like many on this forum has a certain opinion about things that may differ from others. Let’s move on and enjoy the music in May.

I certainly don't want him to be cancelled or to do anything he wouldn't otherwise do to be clear as a result of this.

Even now it wouldn't be too late to say 'I should have spoken up and resigned about Marlon King in the way I did with Ched Evans' and that would suffice in my book, not that I think he does/should care what I think.

 

[LudlamBlade]

An embarrassment of a man and that’s not purely down to his porcine leanings.

Glad somebody beat me to saying it, I wouldn’t have been so measured in the language used. Him and his brother are pathetic horrible rats.

Supports lots of local unsigned musicians, major advocate for mental health awareness and contributes a fair whack to local causes.

But yeah, "embarrassing" and "pathetic horrible rats".

Cool