New Manager Search

[1889]

I really don't understand why it is, that we appear to be fishing in the same pond as post Wilson, looking for our next manager.

With the exception of Nigel Clough, all of the names in the running are the same as this Summer, Richie Barker, Russell Slade, Dean Saunders, Chris Morgan, Karl Robinson etc etc. no disrespect but these are not what I expected in light of our recent 'Game Changing' investment.

Surely no one should be beyond our financial scope and everyone has their price, Division Three or not? So why aren't O'Neil, DiMatteo etc etc odds on?

Let's face it if you won the lottery and your Renault Clio blew up, you wouldn't be looking to replace it with another Renault Clio, would you?

 

[BladeFisher]

I really don't understand why it is, that we appear to be fishing in the same pond as post Wilson, looking for our next manager.

With the exception of Nigel Clough, all of the names in the running are the same as this Summer, Richie Barker, Russell Slade, Dean Saunders, Chris Morgan, Karl Robinson etc etc. no disrespect but these are not what I expected in light of our recent 'Game Changing' investment.

Surely no one should be beyond our financial scope and everyone has their price, Division Three or not? So why aren't O'Neil, DiMatteo etc etc odds on?

Let's face it if you won the lottery and your Renault Clio blew up, you wouldn't be looking to replace it with another Renault Clio, would you?

Have you been drinking?

Just say you are an accountant from Sheffield. You started with Arkwright & Smith in Dinnington, you graduated to Grabem, Byethe and Goolies in Sheffield and you now have a good job in Frankfurt. You might have aspirations to work for a top organisation in the States like Haliburton. Why the fuck would you take a job in Mansfield with a bunch of former Victorian joiners just because they said here's £200k please turn us into the next Ikea?

Sometimes it's your career that matters not just the aspirations of the employer.

 

[1889]

Have you been drinking?

Just say you are an accountant from Sheffield. You started with Arkwright & Smith in Dinnington, you graduated to Grabem, Byethe and Goolies in Sheffield and you now have a good job in Frankfurt. You might have aspirations to work for a top organisation in the States like Haliburton. Why the fuck would you take a job in Mansfield with a bunch of former Victorian joiners just because they said here's £200k please turn us into the next Ikea?

Sometimes it's your career that matters not just the aspirations of the employer.

Why would an Accountant be offered, or take a job as a Joiner? He'd have no fingers left in a month. Are you on Glue?

What cannot be denied is that Sheffield United have the infrastructure and fan base to be a successful Premier League Team. If any of these big name, big reputation managers have any faith in their own ability and we have the financial means to attract them, with a big bonus for promotion, why wouldn't they? If they are genuinely successful managers, then we'd be in the Championship year after next and knocking on the door of the Premiership a year later.

Yes we are bottom of a Division Three, but you talk as if we've got a ground capacity of 6,000 and a hardcore 1,500 fans?

 

[BladeFisher]

Why would an Accountant be offered, or take a job as a Joiner? He'd have no fingers left in a month. Are you on Glue?

What cannot be denied is that Sheffield United have the infrastructure and fan base to be a successful Premier League Team. If any of these big name, big reputation managers have any faith in their own ability and we have the financial means to attract them, with a big bonus for promotion, why wouldn't they? If they are genuinely successful managers, then we'd be in the Championship year after next and knocking on the door of the Premiership a year later.

Yes we are bottom of a Division Three, but you talk as if we've got a ground capacity of 6,000 and a hardcore 1,500 fans?

 

[BladeFisher]

Oh dear, I thought we could have a sensible discussion. Even joiners that date back to Victorian times and make antique furniture need accountants.

The reason we are unlikely to attract top managers is simple. We are too low down the pecking order at the moment. The club has major problems and is simply not that attractive to some of these high profile managers. Yes we have the potential to be realistically mid table in the Premier League, but that is still light years away. If we were as good as you say, why did we end up with candidates like Robinson, Weir and Page?

I too happen to have a higher opinion than most of SUFC but when you look at what we've won it is FA since 1925. 1925 ffs, it's nearly 100 years ago! The club historically has a selling, cheapskate mentality that makes stupid strategic decisions and bottles on the big occassions. That pisses me off. Sadly I have come to realise it. Until we win something, that mentality remains.

I can never quite grasp why fans denegrate the JPT. It is an opportunity for heaven's sake to win something. To be a winner. Something this club lacks, coming behind other Yorkshire luminaries as Leeds, Hull and Wednesday. It can't win on the big occassion in the modern day and that to me is what is wrong.

Get a winning mentality in the big games. Win the JTP, win a play off final. We might then be better placed to win a competition with a bit more meaning and ultimately attract the right sort of manager instead of fishing around with the likes of Robinson, Barker and Slade.

 

[Jon Bon]

Have you both been smelling Jim Phipps' underpants..? The world we once knew doesn't exist anymore. The rules of physics that once bound our institution tight have been ripped up and scattered to the four winds - and then meticulously collected again cos that's just littering and naughty - and then put in the paper recycling bin!

We can do ANYTHING we want. We can get ANYONE. We can fucking fly!

Believe..!

 

[travellingblade]

Just changing tack a little, Morgan is / was supposed to be for ONE game only. If they don't pull their finger out soon, it'll be at least TWO games.

Any new manager coming in now, isn't going to make a deal of difference for our next game.

 

[BladeFisher]

Have you both been smelling Jim Phipps' underpants..? The world we once knew doesn't exist anymore. The rules of physics that once bound our institution tight have been ripped up and scattered to the four winds - and then meticulously collected again cos that's just littering and naughty - and then put in the paper recycling bin!

We can do ANYTHING we want. We can get ANYONE. We can fucking fly!

Believe..!

I do hope so JB. But as they say seeing is believing!

 

[Darren]

It's an interesting point as to whether managers successful at the top level, used to dealing only with the best players,have the requistite skill set to succeed in the lower leagues, dealing with crap players.

If we tempted Alex Ferguson out of retirement,would he do the job in Division 3?

 

[dublin 10 blade]

When the guy from Harrod's took over Fulham , he aimed for the sky by getting rid of '' Mucky '' , installing Keegan , spending loads of dosh and they went up , from this division , aim for the sky we may just reach it , non of the present names being dropped installs great confidence in me , we're much more likely to go down with most of them , would even take uncle col back before sven , only 2 for me if we have as much dosh as we are supposed to have , De-matt or Mr O'neill , thats unless he's offered the Irish job first .

 

[2ndtenorblade]

We can do ANYTHING we want. We can get ANYONE. We can fucking fly!

Believe..!

We won't fly if we get Dennis Bergkamp.

 

[Eskimo]

Hang on I'm lost.
Someone said the route to success is the fundamental attention to purpose .

When we sacked wilson the purpose was to win the playoffs and the belief was that without him we would stand a better chance. It didn't work

When we appointed Weir the purpose was to modernise the club, new footballing philosophy, living within our tight means, not a a short term fix - it didn't work.

W e have had a 'game changing' change in ownership.

What is the main purpose now for the new manager ?

If it is - avoid relegation and get the lads playing then that suggests an experienced head at this level, like Wilson or Warnock or similar.

If the brief is the same as when Weir was appointed except that there is a bit of cash to splash on the appointment ...... but not on players. Modernise the club, new footballing philosophy, not a a short term fix but avoid relegation, then that is a big ask and in all honesty none of the candidates ticks all the boxes and we are left with the choices currently being banded around simply because thety are available . We are boxed into a corner.

 

[grafikhaus]

What is the main purpose now for the new manager ?

If it is - avoid relegation and get the lads playing then that suggests an experienced head at this level, like Wilson or Warnock or similar.

We are boxed into a corner.

I'm afraid the brief is to avoid relegation. Depressing as it is, this season is basically over in mid-October. Weir has utterly wasted a quarter of a season discovering that he's not a manager.

This will be our fourth pisser of a season - relegation, play-off defeat, fade out last season and what could be an utter embarrassment this season.

BUT, if we somehow find our form, buy well in the JTW and storm up the table it will send us into the summer break with a lot more momentum than we've had for a few years.

Re. the next manager, nobody at the club has hinted at any of the names being bandied about. Just got a feeling somebody might come in from left-field.

 

[1889]

Does anyone know if the financial fair play regulations restrict how much a club can pay a Manager? Or is it purely wages of playing staff that are taken into account?


Ok, thanks SEB !

 

[SouthEssexBlade]

Does anyone know if the financial fair play regulations restrict how much a club can pay a Manager? Or is it purely wages of playing staff that are part of the equation?

FFP is playing staff only

 

[Bladesway]

I really don't understand why it is, that we appear to be fishing in the same pond as post Wilson, looking for our next manager.

With the exception of Nigel Clough, all of the names in the running are the same as this Summer, Richie Barker, Russell Slade, Dean Saunders, Chris Morgan, Karl Robinson etc etc. no disrespect but these are not what I expected in light of our recent 'Game Changing' investment.

Surely no one should be beyond our financial scope and everyone has their price, Division Three or not? So why aren't O'Neil, DiMatteo etc etc odds on?

Let's face it if you won the lottery and your Renault Clio blew up, you wouldn't be looking to replace it with another Renault Clio, would you?

Because SUFC are a career breaker. High expectation because of our backer with no real proof that the money is actually there. I would say we are the Bermuda Triangle of holiday destinations.

 

[Bladesway]

W e have had a 'game changing' change in ownership.

Is there? Where is the proof because I am seriously beginning to wonder if I couldn't have dropped a quid in McCabes bank account and strutted around like I was loaded. So far actual proof of this game changing is nothing. Until this changes do you think anyone is going to break cover to manage the club?

I hope I am wrong but until January comes around I don't think anyone will actually know if this bloke is going to invest a bean or not.

We have been here before.

 

[1889]

Really Bladesway? When was that, I must have missed it.

You surely can't be suggesting that HRH is another Sam Hashimi, are you?

I would say his wealth is indisputable, whether we'll see any of it is another matter. But there has never previously been an investor of his financial standing to my knowledge?[/quote]

 

[stringjunior]

I'm afraid the brief is to avoid relegation. Depressing as it is, this season is basically over in mid-October. Weir has utterly wasted a quarter of a season discovering that he's not a manager.

This will be our fourth pisser of a season - relegation, play-off defeat, fade out last season and what could be an utter embarrassment this season.

BUT, if we somehow find our form, buy well in the JTW and storm up the table it will send us into the summer break with a lot more momentum than we've had for a few years.

Re. the next manager, nobody at the club has hinted at any of the names being bandied about. Just got a feeling somebody might come in from left-field.

What he said ^^^^

 

[Patrick Suffaux]

Do some of you honestly think we would have signed Baxter, Cuvelier and King without new investment? I don't.

 

[Damski]

For fucking real. We didn't just magic those players out of thin air.

 

[Sothall_Blade]

Do some of you honestly think we would have signed Baxter, Cuvelier and King without new investment? I don't.

Plus the ten others Weir was allowed to sign. Most of whom he himself threw on the deadwood pile almost immediately. Phipps has made it fairly clear that the new man will be expected to turn Weir's ragtag bunch into a proper team with few new additions.

 

[Bert]

Steve Evans will do for Bert.
A nasty, horrible, despicable character who has done the job for Boston, Crawley and now Rotherham. He's just what we need. Results are all that count when you are rock bottom, not fancy football.

 

[Patrick Suffaux]

Here's my problem with bringing in a chest beater.....we don't have the players to suddenly turn the team into a spirited bunch of battlers. We have some technically good players that simply won't respond to a Pulis or a Warnock because they're that sort of player. If we go down that route, several players will need turfing out before we make headway.

What we need is a manager who can come in and implement a more effective brand of what Weir was trying to do. A Kendall type, a Wilson type. Football with a bit of method in-keeping not only with the philosophy we are trying to adopt, but also with the type of player we have at the club. If we try to go completely the opposite way we will not improve.

 

[KenMcnaughtsNuts]

Do some of you honestly think we would have signed Baxter, Cuvelier and King without new investment? I don't.

You make them sound like Ronaldo, Messi and Crouch.

One is a Stoke cast off, we signed one of them last season. One is an old clapped out striker, we signed one of them last season. One is a 3rd division player who was pretty much a replacement for the one we sold.

 

[Houso]

You make them sound like Ronaldo, Messi and Crouch.

One is a Stoke cast off, we signed one of them last season. One is an old clapped out striker, we signed one of them last season. One is a 3rd division player who was pretty much a replacement for the one we sold.

One probably cost around 500k, one cost 350k and one will be on Championship wages.

Short of wolves, I don't see any other clubs with such a net spend this season in our division.

 

[metalblade]

Do some of you honestly think we would have signed Baxter, Cuvelier and King without new investment? I don't.

Why the fuck not I'm fairly sure that getting rid of Kitson, Robson, Higginbottom Creswell etc would have freed up enough money to easily pay the wages of Baxter, Cuvelier and King. I'm not at all convinced that the Prince will be investing significant funds into SUFC otherwise we should be aiming to get a manager a lot better than the likes of Nigel Clough and other bottom feeders mentioned, we are after-all Sheffield United ........................
yes SHEFFIELD U fookin NITED FC a name that should still mean something in English football

 

[alcoblade]

Football with a bit of method in-keeping not only with the philosophy we are trying to adopt, but also with the type of player we have at the club. If we try to go completely the opposite way we will not improve.

Did / do we play more football than Rotherham though? I don't think SE is in the Pulis / Bassett mould. Just a middle of the roader. We need to move away from the hoof V tip tap pendulum just as much as, I agree, we need to avoid swinging the other way to the old ways.

UTB

 

[Patrick Suffaux]

You make them sound like Ronaldo, Messi and Crouch.

One is a Stoke cast off, we signed one of them last season. One is an old clapped out striker, we signed one of them last season. One is a 3rd division player who was pretty much a replacement for the one we sold.

Crouch?!

All better than what we had before they arrived and rather likely on a larger salary than most of our other players. Two of them top performers in our league last season. One of them (the old clapped out striker you refer to) scored in double figures for a struggling side in the championship last season. A league we would get mullered in. None of them will be coming cheap.

 

[Houso]

So let's get this straight. In previous seasons when we've always recouped more than we've spent its not been good enough. Now we spend vastly more than we've brought in and its still insufficient.

If we signed Neymar tomorrow there'd be complaints that we'd not gone for Messi.