Steve Cooper

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BalticBlade said:
They'll be huge change. Bettis, Wilder and his backroom staff will be out and obviously significant change at boardroom level. Will probably be a more modern and complex structure on the footballing side of things, rather than the Wilder-style fiefdom we have currently.
I don't think they'll take a wrecking ball to the Academy personnel, changes here would be more incremental. But this is just me speculating.
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And amongst all your speculation, who are you speculating the consortium is?
 
If we do get taken over and the new board are thinking of replacing Wilder at some point, it absolutely makes sense to do it now.

No point letting Wilder build a new squad only to replace him 6-12 months later and a new manager have to use Wilder’s players. Let the new manager build the squad & style while we’ve got a clean slate.

We ballsed up bringing Slav in and making him work with Wilder’s players, if we’re thinking of making the change let’s not make the same mistake twice.
 
Dkc said:
Can you explain what you mean? Wilder's shown that he can adapt his tactics and team sheets to the teams we're up against. He's taught innovative set-plays. He's excellent at getting the best out of players. Unfortunately last season we didn't have the squad to compete, but apart from that and 2/3 of the covid season he's always been successful - not only with us, also with the other clubs he's managed.
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His last season with us was a disaster, albeit at the time I didn’t want rid of him, some of his signings were dire.

He got sacked from Boro after a half decent first season (although Warnock’s Boro beat us easily, Wilder’s Boro got spanked 4-1).

Then got just over a point per game with a fairly decent Watford side but albeit in a chop and change culture and only for 11 games.

He’s then taken back over at us and we’ve seen similar thrashings to when Hecky was in charge and 2 wins. Yes he inherited shit but most of it is his shit still from last time around, he also added Holgate and Grbic who were complete and utter wastes of wages and places in the squad. He did well signing BBD.

If he can manage to recruit well and motivate this summer then he will be on the patch to redemption, personally I don’t think he should be allowed to sign players after his recent track record.
 
blades_95 said:
If we do get taken over and the new board are thinking of replacing Wilder at some point, it absolutely makes sense to do it now.

No point letting Wilder build a new squad only to replace him 6-12 months later and a new manager have to use Wilder’s players. Let the new manager build the squad & style while we’ve got a clean slate.

We ballsed up bringing Slav in and making him work with Wilder’s players, if we’re thinking of making the change let’s not make the same mistake twice.
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It's no secret I've been a vocal critic of PA, but to be fair to him when he brought Slav in he couldn't do right for doing wrong. Hecky was his number one choice, but when he went with Slav when it became evident Hecky wouldn't be a popular successor to Wilder amongst the fanbase. He seemingly hired Slav to appease the fans but when it was clear it wasn't working out he took decisive action and went with his first choice. Had he stuck with his instincts and appointed Hecky after Wilder went we may well have got promoted at the first time of asking and not find ourselves in the mess we're in now.
 
Houston_Blade said:
His last season with us was a disaster, albeit at the time I didn’t want rid of him, some of his signings were dire.

He got sacked from Boro after a half decent first season (although Warnock’s Boro beat us easily, Wilder’s Boro got spanked 4-1).

Then got just over a point per game with a fairly decent Watford side but albeit in a chop and change culture and only for 11 games.

He’s then taken back over at us and we’ve seen similar thrashings to when Hecky was in charge and 2 wins. Yes he inherited shit but most of it is his shit still from last time around, he also added Holgate and Grbic who were complete and utter wastes of wages and places in the squad. He did well signing BBD.

If he can manage to recruit well and motivate this summer then he will be on the patch to redemption, personally I don’t think he should be allowed to sign players after his recent track record.
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I'd say his track record for signings that cost virtually nowt - is very good.

I'd say his track record when paying quite incredible amounts for spend shy United have been atrocious.

Not sure he's got a lot to play with so in some ways you have to say 'lets see'

If we do spend money- lets hope its on 3 rock solid spine signings rather than a scattergun gamble on 12.
 
CrookesBlade said:
If I was choosing somebody to manage my club right this moment I’d go for Cooper over Wilder but realistically I don’t think Cooper has better pedigree as some are saying.

Cooper kept Forest up, Wilder kept us up and took us to 9th place.

They both left second season, we were considerably worse than Forest but they had much more to spend.

Wilder squandered a lot of money for us, other than MGW did Cooper really get much better value for money from the players he brought in at Forest?
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Other than MGW, I don’t think Cooper brought in many of the players signed after Forest were promoted. The owner went on a trolley dash and Cooper had to put a team together. It was a tough task but after a slow start he kept them up. It was very good management.
 
Carlton Blade said:
Everything Wilder did in 19/20 is better, everything outside of that is historically bad. Neither is proven PL manager, both have good Championship records
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There are few managers who have done what wilder did - his methods and tactics and achievements with the players he bought and the team he created , were lauded throughout Europe .

Suddenly , to many , he is a flop .

Carry on Chris
 
BalticBlade said:
They'll be huge change. Bettis, Wilder and his backroom staff will be out and obviously significant change at boardroom level. Will probably be a more modern and complex structure on the footballing side of things, rather than the Wilder-style fiefdom we have currently.
I don't think they'll take a wrecking ball to the Academy personnel, changes here would be more incremental. But this is just me speculating.
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Would this apply to the likes of Jamie Hoyland and the other bloke who've come in on the recruitment side, or do you think they'd find roles for them within the new structure?
 
Bell4 said:
There are few managers who have done what wilder did - his methods and tactics and achievements with the players he bought and the team he created , were lauded throughout Europe .

Suddenly , to many , he is a flop .

Carry on Chris
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His record up until 20/21 is almost unmatched as a lower league English manager. His ability to adapt and go again, plus his ability to get on with his bosses are very much in question.
 



Don't think in my time supporting United I've known this much uncertainty in regards to the ownership, manager and player contracts! I can't remember too many times this up in the air anyway! I was hoping that one of the plus points to our fire season is that we'd have a head start on other teams because we have been able to plan for next season from February onwards this season, but now we just seem to be in total limbo! It's annoying that's it's off season so therefore there's no opportunity to ask Wilder either.

We're reliant on the likes of Alan Nixon to hear brief/vague snippets.
 
Houston_Blade said:
His last season with us was a disaster, albeit at the time I didn’t want rid of him, some of his signings were dire.

He got sacked from Boro after a half decent first season (although Warnock’s Boro beat us easily, Wilder’s Boro got spanked 4-1).

Then got just over a point per game with a fairly decent Watford side but albeit in a chop and change culture and only for 11 games.

He’s then taken back over at us and we’ve seen similar thrashings to when Hecky was in charge and 2 wins. Yes he inherited shit but most of it is his shit still from last time around, he also added Holgate and Grbic who were complete and utter wastes of wages and places in the squad. He did well signing BBD.

If he can manage to recruit well and motivate this summer then he will be on the patch to redemption, personally I don’t think he should be allowed to sign players after his recent track record.
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Holgate wasn't a waste of a wage, was decent apart from his red card and better than what we have currently
 
Houston_Blade said:
All about opinions but he was terrible for me and clearly wasn’t trying.
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Yeah as you say, opinions but I’d disagree that he wasn’t trying. He clearly was putting the effort in for me. One of the few highlights of second half of the season when he played
 
ancientblade said:
i disagree complete waste of a wage was hopeless at southampton turned inside out week after week by championship players dropped by southampton and we sign him i rest my case
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Have I joined the Southampton forum all of a sudden?
 
SwissBlade said:
Yeah as you say, opinions but I’d disagree that he wasn’t trying. He clearly was putting the effort in for me. One of the few highlights of second half of the season when he played
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I watched a few games where he just stopped tracking a runner who then either scored or assisted.

He just stopped.

That to me is more about effort than ability.

He’s have been our best defender if he’d bothered to put the effort in, that’s what annoyed me about the signing.
 



It pisses me off how he doesn't make any attempt to rectify how ugly he is, nobody can begrudge a bloke who has a face like that getting some major surgery done.
 
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