Incoming? Conor Coady

[Overthehills]

Over 30
No sell on value
Big wage
Can only play in a back 3

Chris Wilder is so back.

Wilder was previously trying to grab as much experience as possible, whilst shopping on a limited budget. He had no option but to look at older players and players who had been frozen out and with a point to prove.

I am not a massive fan of Wilders overall recruitment, mainly because we have had some big fee flops when we needed the right sorts of players. But some of earlier recruitment (perhaps at a level he is more comfortable with) was spot on considering the circumstances.

 

[Bladesman]

If they are desperate to offload then we could get a deal done for him.

 

[bertieblade]

Wilder was previously trying to grab as much experience as possible, whilst shopping on a limited budget. He had no option but to look at older players and players who had been frozen out and with a point to prove.

I am not a massive fan of Wilders overall recruitment, mainly because we have had some big fee flops when we needed the right sorts of players. But some of earlier recruitment (perhaps at a level he is more comfortable with) was spot on considering the circumstances.

The question being has he achieved overall value for money. Initially yes unfortunately the Higher the fee the worse the player VFM, subsequently with a low budget in the championship he should be better.
but i Will not be holding my breath

 

[Smirth]

And ignore the promotions and the 9th place finish?

Because it was a long time ago and should be left in the past. He's shown since that he's done at this level and the one below.

 

[blades78]

Are people seriously complaining about the possibility of us signing a 31 year old seasoned pro, who knows the club, has always been a good pro and has 10 England caps? We are going to be in the Championship and likely have a sensible/moderate amount to spend at that level.
Big yes from me. He'd bring leadership, pedigree and a bit of experience to the team.

Had the same argument with a few people on here about Ross Barkley in summer when he was on a free. Look how that turned out!! Some seem to think we will challenge for promotion by putting half a dozen academy players in who have struggled out on loan or hardly played. Coady would be solid option in a back 3 or even marshalling the midfield at the side of Arblaster.

 

[EddieColquhoun]

Because it was a long time ago and should be left in the past. He's shown since that he's done at this level and the one below.

It was less than 4 years ago.
You were slagging Wilder off 6 years ago.

 

[Smirth]

It was less than 4 years ago.
You were slagging Wilder off 6 years ago.

Nope. Loved him first time around and class him as the best manager of my time supporting the club. But for me that’s all in the past now and he’s not the man we need.

 

[EddieColquhoun]

Nope. Loved him first time around and class him as the best manager of my time supporting the club. But for me that’s all in the past now and he’s not the man we need.

Yeah OK.

This is on Wilder’s head. Can’t believe he’s stuck with that same midfield. We are playing a Tony Pulis side and have set up with a defensive side lacking creativity. Plays right in to Pulis’ hands who does that better than anyone else.

Just wish he’d swallow his pride and admit when he gets things wrong by making changes. His ego is getting a little out of control at the moment.

 

[EddieColquhoun]

Think a hiding may not be the worst thing if it wakes Wilder up to see our deficiencies. This system he is sticking with isn’t working, it didn’t work in the second half of last season when he tried it, save for a win over Norwich I can’t recall when else it worked to any decent effect last year.

Ever revert to type with Duffy or Woodburn in midfield, or change formation. But the midfield is far too static with the 3 he has in it at the moment.

 

[EddieColquhoun]

I don’t think it will change under the current structure sadly.

I do agree with most that it’s an odd move. He’s not been great but he’s better than Lundstram, and has been in the team ahead of Leonard. So we are going to sell the best of the 3 in Wilder’s eyes.

I hope there is someone else lined up, because if not then we are weaker still.

 

[EddieColquhoun]

Nope. Loved him first time around and class him as the best manager of my time supporting the club. But for me that’s all in the past now and he’s not the man we need.

You were so positive about him after his first promotion

 

[Smirth]

You were so positive about him after his first promotion

Busy day for you is it?

So any criticism of a manager isn't allowed then? And did you not want to pull messages where I was full or praise for him during his first spell?

 

[EddieColquhoun]

Busy day for you is it?

So any criticism of a manager isn't allowed then? And did you not want to pull messages where I was full or praise for him during his first spell?

It took a couple of minutes to look at your first posts (when you were moaning about him 6 years ago).

 

[Lowen]

Wouldn’t have fancied him in the PL but put two athletic players who are good in the air either side of him and he’d still be solid in the championship. Great leadership qualities and would be like having Norwood at centre back with his passing range. Doubt we’d even need to buy him either, a wage-covering loan deal should be enough.

 

[ancientblade]

i think a lot depends on how much we get for anel but it is possible if we get a decent fee for him that we bring both coady and worrall in

 

[The Crab]

Can't wait for the second coming of Dean Hammond!

Fuck that

 

[Houston_Blade]

8 appearances for Leicester probably tells you all you need to know!

He’d be classed as ‘fit as a fiddle’ if he made that many appearances for us,

 

[Bladezz]

Are people seriously complaining about the possibility of us signing a 31 year old seasoned pro, who knows the club, has always been a good pro and has 10 England caps? We are going to be in the Championship and likely have a sensible/moderate amount to spend at that level.
Big yes from me. He'd bring leadership, pedigree and a bit of experience to the team.

Welcome to the Blades forum!

 

[brownblade]

Because it was a long time ago and should be left in the past. He's shown since that he's done at this level and the one below.

It's not like his legs have gone. I'm not sure a manager can be "done" at a level. Surely, on paper, managers should/could improve? They're capable of learning and adapting.

 

[jt64]

Are people seriously complaining about the possibility of us signing a 31 year old seasoned pro, who knows the club, has always been a good pro and has 10 England caps? We are going to be in the Championship and likely have a sensible/moderate amount to spend at that level.
Big yes from me. He'd bring leadership, pedigree and a bit of experience to the team.

• "leadership, pedigree and a bit of experience" mean nothing in terms of "can he still play at the level we want him to" - he's not forced his way back into Leicester's team after an early season injury, admittedly I'd rather have their centre backs than ours, but I certainly wouldn't describe who they've got ahead of him right now as world beaters.
• Name a realistic short or medium term plan for the club where signing Coady makes sense. If we are looking to bounce straight back, then maybe - but as a loan for cover/rotation and nothing more, but I can't imagine a scenario where we don't re-up Egan and in Egan/Robinson/Trusty we already have a more than competent set of Championship level centre backs and I don't see it as a truly pressing need, and that's working under the assumption that we sell Anel and release Baldock (who can do a job at RCB if needed even if it's not his best position). If however we are taking a slower rebuild approach where the window for gaining promotion is not immediate but in 2-3 seasons, then it would be absolutely nuts to bring in a 31 year old who would be requiring good wages when, as stated, we already have what is a perfectly fine back three for the Championship in 24/25, and cover should come from younger players with upside who might be able to be a part of a PL squad when that actually happens, not an older pro looking for one last pay cheque.

Maybe I'm missing your thought process, but your post reads mostly about what he has done, rather than what he can do, and seemingly is looking at the player in isolation rather than the context of the club he might go to. I give zero shits about whether a player is shouty, was good, or used to play for us - my only concern is can the player play going forward and does it make sense for the club to sign him?

 

[Kenny Powers]

• "leadership, pedigree and a bit of experience" mean nothing in terms of "can he still play at the level we want him to" - he's not forced his way back into Leicester's team after an early season injury, admittedly I'd rather have their centre backs than ours, but I certainly wouldn't describe who they've got ahead of him right now as world beaters.
• Name a realistic short or medium term plan for the club where signing Coady makes sense. If we are looking to bounce straight back, then maybe - but as a loan for cover/rotation and nothing more, but I can't imagine a scenario where we don't re-up Egan and in Egan/Robinson/Trusty we already have a more than competent set of Championship level centre backs and I don't see it as a truly pressing need, and that's working under the assumption that we sell Anel and release Baldock (who can do a job at RCB if needed even if it's not his best position). If however we are taking a slower rebuild approach where the window for gaining promotion is not immediate but in 2-3 seasons, then it would be absolutely nuts to bring in a 31 year old who would be requiring good wages when, as stated, we already have what is a perfectly fine back three for the Championship in 24/25, and cover should come from younger players with upside who might be able to be a part of a PL squad when that actually happens, not an older pro looking for one last pay cheque.

Maybe I'm missing your thought process, but your post reads mostly about what he has done, rather than what he can do, and seemingly is looking at the player in isolation rather than the context of the club he might go to. I give zero shits about whether a player is shouty, was good, or used to play for us - my only concern is can the player play going forward and does it make sense for the club to sign him?

I think that leadership, pedigree and experience are absolutely necessary to build a well balanced team. Particularly as we are likely to be relying on quite a few young, inexperienced players next season.
He's 31, not 41, meaning he probably has at least 4 years left at this level.
He's spent the majority of his career in the Premier League and is currently in a squad that has stormed the league for most of the season.
If it is a low fee and sensible wages it's a no trainer in my opinion.
Do you think that he improves our current squad or not?

 

[jt64]

Do you think that he improves our current squad or not?

That's only one part of any equation. He probably does. That doesn't mean that we should sign him just because he might make the squad better. What do you think our aim should be in 24/25, what centre backs do you project us retaining for next season, and will they allow us to hit that aim?

 

[petcharlie]

Wilder was previously trying to grab as much experience as possible, whilst shopping on a limited budget. He had no option but to look at older players and players who had been frozen out and with a point to prove.

I am not a massive fan of Wilders overall recruitment, mainly because we have had some big fee flops when we needed the right sorts of players. But some of earlier recruitment (perhaps at a level he is more comfortable with) was spot on considering the circumstances.

Correct ,it was his recruitments that saw us come from mid league one to the prem . Once there it was ify but the way the prem is now every club that gets promoted seem to have a hard job getting players in who can cut it in the top flight . Forest bought 20 plus players and they still are struggling after spending a huge amount so we have no chance .

 

[Kenny Powers]

That's only one part of any equation. He probably does. That doesn't mean that we should sign him just because he might make the squad better. What do you think our aim should be in 24/25, what centre backs do you project us retaining for next season, and will they allow us to hit that aim?

Our aim should absolutely be promotion. I think we should aim to have the best possible squad of players and starting 11 that we can afford. Conor Coady absolutely improves our squad and would be a starter next season. The likelihood is that Basham doesn't play for us again, Anel will be gone and Egan may or may not be here and may or may not hit the ground running and still be good enough.
What is it about Coady that concerns you? Do you not think he is good enough to get in our team, not good enough for the Championship or do you think his legs have gone at 31?

 

[3Cheers4Ramirez]

What if Coady's been given Dean Hammond's old locker at Leicester, and it's infected him with Legsgoneitis

 

[jt64]

What is it about Coady that concerns you? Do you not think he is good enough to get in our team, not good enough for the Championship or do you think his legs have gone at 31?

Nothing in particular. I don't dislike the player, he's generally been pretty decent and could certainly do a job in the Championship. If the objective is immediate promotion straight back, then I would not hate a loan, certainly not a permanent. I just don't see it as an area of the pitch which would require great strengthening, nor do I think it would make a significant improvement to the starting XI - certainly not in relation to the wages he would likely demand.

 

[EddieColquhoun]

I just don't see it as an area of the pitch which would require great strengthening

CW likes 2 players per position and we play 3 CB’s.
We currently have Anel, JLT and Trusty for next season and Anel is heavily tipped to leave.

 

[jt64]

CW likes 2 players per position and we play 3 CB’s.
We currently have Anel, JLT and Trusty for next season and Anel is heavily tipped to leave.

As I stated in previous posts, I fully expect Egan to be offered and take an extension, and centre back is the clearest position on the entire park where you do not need a high level backup for every player you start in that position

 

[EddieColquhoun]

As I stated in previous posts, I fully expect Egan to be offered and take an extension, and centre back is the clearest position on the entire park where you do not need a high level backup for every player you start in that position

I’m not sure that a manager would choose to leave themselves short in any position. Basham is injured along with RND who could play LCB and Holgate is only on loan. None of the academy CB’s look near to stepping up. Do you not think we’ll replace these players?

 

[Booker4]

If Egan is to be offered a new deal then I can't see us going for Coast. I'd personally rather have Souttar on loan from Leicester.