CONFIRMED Points deduction to start next season

[ATL Recs]

The EFL are pushing to try and get sanctions applied to Leicester even if they get promoted.

A lot of effort from the EFL and EPL punishing us, Forest, Everton, Leicester etc.

Man City though.....

We showed ambition in January by not selling ndiaye and Berge to actually get us promoted and to the cup semi, a decision which has probably saved the long term future of the club. I can take a 2pt deduction.

Maybe the immediate future but.not long term

 

[Kev Gee]

Very strange how we are punished twice but yet 3/4s of Championship clubs (and alot of EPL) clubs are hugely in debt and effectively insolvent.

 

[Gimli]

Me too, hate to see journalists taking the P*** out of us though. Had to put up with it all year just to be topped off by this. Be interesting to see if the likes of boro try to take this further cause we basically cheated to get promotion

I suspect that the other clubs might also have their own issues - seems like pretty much everyone does these days.

 

[Pollingtonblade]

Any chance we’ve not paid for Souza, Grbic and Trusty?

They cost money? Hopefully the owners come for them to be returned

 

[JJBlade]

Three seasons in the Premier League
Two seasons with parachute payments
Signed nobody who's worth a kick in the bollocks
Low wage bill even by Championship standards

And still can't fucking make ends meet

 

[Pollingtonblade]

Three seasons in the Premier League
Two seasons with parachute payments
Signed nobody who's worth a kick in the bollocks
Low wage bill even by Championship standards

And still can't fucking make ends meet

Yeah but neither can stoke Birmingham Cardiff and Huddersfield

 

[ForgeBlade]

Right. I've tried in vain to keep up with all this. Can anyone explain, in short, why this punishment is imposed now, almost 18 months after the embargo, as opposed to being imposed at the time along with the embargo? Sorry if it's been gone over 1000 times already, I've been at work all day and just trying to catch up.

 

[Pollingtonblade]

Right. I've tried in vain to keep up with all this. Can anyone explain, in short, why this punishment is imposed now, almost 18 months after the embargo, as opposed to being imposed at the time along with the embargo? Sorry if it's been gone over 1000 times already, I've been at work all day and just trying to catch up.

Basically we have cheated, defaulting on payments to 4 different clubs. We only managed to get some funds in place cos Prince bought some bloke a Guinness and he gave him 10 million quid.

 

[ForgeBlade]

Basically we have cheated, defaulting on payments to 4 different clubs. We only managed to get some funds in place cos Prince bought some bloke a Guinness and he gave him 10 million quid.

I get that. I know we've fucked up big time and deserve some sort of punishment. I even get why the punishment can only be imposed in the EFL as opposed to the PL. I just don't understand why it's taken them nearly a year and a half to impose the second half of the punishment.

 

[Pollingtonblade]

I get that. I know we've fucked up big time and deserve some sort of punishment. I even get why the punishment can only be imposed in the EFL as opposed to the PL. I just don't understand why it's taken them nearly a year and a half to impose the second half of the punishment.

Unsure I read that we had negotiations with the EPL and have agreed not to appeal, so the club have known about it for some time you'd imagine.

Maybe we were responding by Fax and that has delayed matters?

 

[Addison]

I’m sure l’ve read that it was 550 cumulative days.

The EFL originally pleaded in excess of 600 days. The rule breaches they relied upon in their pleadings related to permanent transfers only and EFL accepted later when their statement of case was challenged by the Clubs answer that players 3 and 4 were not, presumably loan payments totalling just shy of £200k, covered by the scope of their charges. EFL did however state the excess of 600 days was relevant background they were entitled to take into account when making the referral to the disciplinary commission. The remaining defaults relied upon were adjusted to cumulatively in excess of 550 days.

In essence the Club defaulted over a period in excess of 600 days but the EFL's pleadings failed to cover the whole of the breach resulting in only permanent transfers being within scope.

 

[PaddysMad]

Still got this debacle of a season left and can’t look forward to next season without being stressed what if we start bad.

 

[Numpty's Dusty Ruts.]

Right. I've tried in vain to keep up with all this. Can anyone explain, in short, why this punishment is imposed now, almost 18 months after the embargo, as opposed to being imposed at the time along with the embargo? Sorry if it's been gone over 1000 times already, I've been at work all day and just trying to catch up.

Haven't a clue, we're football fans not accountants or business lawyers!
It would seem that the cock ups just run through the club in every level and department. Spending millions on useless/crocked players is bad enough, but then getting done for being behind with said payments for the "damaged goods" is just incompetence on every level.
I care less about the 2 points than about the farce within the club which brought it about!!

 

[b1ade4life]

I've largely been a Prince supporter but I've no problem with the club being punished for that.

Well after this I want to do a big great shit in his raspberry beret

 

[Balham]

Administration a real possibility? Says who? Who issued a winding up order and got us in court? The EFL wouldn’t as football debts are protected and they issue punishments not shut down members.

A clappers and the uninformeds wanking aid.

Agreed. The majority of our debt is owed to...checks notes...the owner. Not sure what he gains from putting the club into administration. We've kept on top of our HMRC liabilities which is a sign that things are under control to an extent.

Very strange how we are punished twice but yet 3/4s of Championship clubs (and alot of EPL) clubs are hugely in debt and effectively insolvent.

They're effectively insolvent but they're meeting their obligations to other clubs and the HMRC. As long as someone is pumping cash in to makes ends meet (up to £39m/£105m over three years) then all is deemed well.

Three seasons in the Premier League
Two seasons with parachute payments
Signed nobody who's worth a kick in the bollocks
Low wage bill even by Championship standards

And still can't fucking make ends meet

Welcome to modern football. Clubs only exist because of the largess of their owners. The whole thing is a Ponzi scheme.

The EFL originally pleaded in excess of 600 days. The rule breaches they relied upon in their pleadings related to permanent transfers only and EFL accepted later when their statement of case was challenged by the Clubs answer that players 3 and 4 were not, presumably loan payments totalling just shy of £200k, covered by the scope of their charges. EFL did however state the excess of 600 days was relevant background they were entitled to take into account when making the referral to the disciplinary commission. The remaining defaults relied upon were adjusted to cumulatively in excess of 550 days.

In essence the Club defaulted over a period in excess of 600 days but the EFL's pleadings failed to cover the whole of the breach resulting in only permanent transfers being within scope.

600 cumulative days. Not consecutive. Five debts for four months will do that (although I suspect we've got at least 9 months on one of the Brewster instalments).

 

[loyalblade95]

Right. I've tried in vain to keep up with all this. Can anyone explain, in short, why this punishment is imposed now, almost 18 months after the embargo, as opposed to being imposed at the time along with the embargo? Sorry if it's been gone over 1000 times already, I've been at work all day and just trying to catch up.

Because we're going back to the championship, that transfer embargo should have been 3 EFL windows, the points deduction is the penalty we've negotiated so we can have those transfer windows which are more than worth -2 points.

 

[ForgeBlade]

Because we're going back to the championship, that transfer embargo should have been 3 EFL windows, the points deduction is the penalty we've negotiated so we can have those transfer windows which are more than worth -2 points.

So did we negotiate to postpone the points penalty back in January 2023? Sorry if I sound thick, I just genuinely don't get why that gets imposed now, a year and change after the initial charges and the embargo...?

 

[hidesbehindapseudonym]

Can't we have the deduction this season?

 

[Sean Thornton]

Basically we have cheated, defaulting on payments to 4 different clubs. We only managed to get some funds in place cos Prince bought some bloke a Guinness and he gave him 10 million quid.

The last accounts showed Directors Loans totalling £20m. Sorry for using facts……

 

[ForgeBlade]

Can't we have the deduction this season?

Apparently not, as it's a punishment imposed by the EFL (not the premier league) which means we have to take it next time we are in the EFL (once we get relegated)

 

[Sean Thornton]

Apparently not, as it's a punishment imposed by the EFL (not the premier league) which means we have to take it next time we are in the EFL (once we get relegated)

I don’t think he was being serious.

 

[loyalblade95]

So did we negotiate to postpone the points penalty back in January 2023? Sorry if I sound thick, I just genuinely don't get why that gets imposed now, a year and change after the initial charges and the embargo...?

The transfer embargo was our punishment, but from what I've heard people say it was meant to be for 3 EFL transfer windows which doesn't count windows in the premier league as the EFL and EPL are different governing bodies.

I'm probably not the best person to be talking about this as I'm just talking about what I just heard on Blades Ramble, I'd recommend watching his latest video as he'll explain it a lot better than I can.

 

[ForgeBlade]

I don’t think he was being serious.

Fair point. As said, I'm just catching up with all this and I'm suddenly very concerned about the future of my club

 

[Houston_Blade]

I get that. I know we've fucked up big time and deserve some sort of punishment. I even get why the punishment can only be imposed in the EFL as opposed to the PL. I just don't understand why it's taken them nearly a year and a half to impose the second half of the punishment.

It takes 5 mins for VAR to work out if it’s offside or not.

18 months for this is speedy in relative terms.

 

[JJBlade]

Yeah but neither can stoke Birmingham Cardiff and Huddersfield

Birmingham haven't been in the Premier League for 13 years
Cardiff 5 years
Stoke 6 years
Huddersfield 5 years

 

[jono_t2000]

Birmingham haven't been in the Premier League for 13 years
Cardiff 5 years
Stoke 6 years
Huddersfield 5 years

But how many years till we're next in the Prem

 

[blade_ben]

Sorry - this is a shameful day for this proud club. Read the facts …. We defaulted on circa £8 million for 5 players!!!

The Prince is a disgrace for allowing this to happen. He has known he needs to sell or gain investment from the point we were relegated in 2020/21 season. He has set ridiculous valuations & now is staring down the barrel of the clubs value reducing year on year.

This is nothing to do with Wilder/Slav/Hecky or Wilder again. The Prince is the owner and is totally responsible for the financial state of the club.

He needs to go asap for me after this shocker today.

I mean it has a lot to do with Wilder backing the Prince into a corner over Brewster and wasting 23.5million when a loan to buy was the sensible deal

 

[UddersBlade]

Sorry, whilst I was not 100% in favour of Wilder coming back…. the financial position of any business sits 100% with the owner. The fact that some of Wilders signings were shocking is not the issue here, it is the financial management of the club.

It is simply shameful that this man, has allowed it to come to this today. I have said before that I doubt he has the funds to run a mid table Championship club never mind Premier League. Well guess what…. We are about to find out over the next 2 seasons. Let’s see how things look in summer 2026.

 

[Snowflake]

Appreciate that this punishment is from EFL not EPL, but surely being a few days late with payments is a much lesser offence than that Forrest were found guilty of, and yet the punishment is the same.
Am I missing something?

Over 500 days late in total if I have understood the charge correctly.

 

[Freddy Dunning-Kruger]

(a) £1,000,000, £750,000 and £3,750,000 due to Club 1 under a permanent transferagreement for Player A

£3.75M is 1/6th of £22.5M, so that makes sense as an installment of the transfer fee for Brewster. Could the other 2 payments could be related to appearance & goals? Brewster scored his 5th goal for us last season (4 league, 1 cup), that could have triggered payment, as could playing 50 games which he also reached last season.

Just speculation, but if those are conditional installments are we now at the point where it would be better not playing him if it prevents us triggering any further installments (and letting him leave for free in the summer just to get him off the wage bill).