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SheepdipBlade said:
Sorry mate, but that's rubbish. Sport isn't supposed to be an adjunct to Thatcherism - it's supposed to be a fair contest between two opponents - and the whole point of having divisions (in any sport) is to best ensure those teams are equally matched.

The open market is ruining the sport for everyone except the fans of the Big Six - and quite frankly - I don't care if English football isn't as glamorous as Saudi football - as long as we see a fair contest between teams.
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No apologies mate, I’m on the fence

On one hand I do agree, pure sport should be equal - EPL is like a heavyweight boxer vs a lightweight, punchers chance but the result should be obvious

However times change, like it or not, and now football is business.

if i can afford a Ferrari, should i be limited to a Renault as that’s all my neighbours can afford?

Most people love the rise of the underdog, giving the usual suspects a bloody nose - Blackburn, Chelsea, Man City…. Until they are top then we want them to fall

Don’t think there’s a perfect answer

Going back to my point about boxing, even that can be weighted as one fighter can afford better training facilities, coaches, nutritionalists etc

Only thing I am sure of is if we were owned by a rich benefactor most on here wouldn’t be claiming corruption, we’d be laughing and enjoying the ride
 

William Carey said:
I don’t see what the problem is with clubs spending however much they want as long as the owner can offord it. Why is there a limit?
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I can see where you’re coming from, but it’s not like that, is it. Owners rarely put in their own money without a ‘catch’, be it in equity or debt. Furthermore, spending money brings ongoing consequences to the club in terms of wages, transfer payment instalments, etc - these remain the problem of the club in the event that the owner moves on. They aren’t going to settle their slate before they leave.
 
steve26272 said:
No apologies mate, I’m on the fence

On one hand I do agree, pure sport should be equal - EPL is like a heavyweight boxer vs a lightweight, punchers chance but the result should be obvious

However times change, like it or not, and now football is business.

if i can afford a Ferrari, should i be limited to a Renault as that’s all my neighbours can afford?

Most people love the rise of the underdog, giving the usual suspects a bloody nose - Blackburn, Chelsea, Man City…. Until they are top then we want them to fall

Don’t think there’s a perfect answer

Going back to my point about boxing, even that can be weighted as one fighter can afford better training facilities, coaches, nutritionalists etc

Only thing I am sure of is if we were owned by a rich benefactor most on here wouldn’t be claiming corruption, we’d be laughing and enjoying the ride
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Would you be more than happy if Man City and Newcastle went around buying all of the best players and therefore winning the league every single season? At the moment they’re slightly limited by FFP. Man City are only where they are because of money, imagine how much further they could take that.

I guarantee that if we had a rich benefactor that meant we won the league I’d be ecstatic, at least for a few seasons. If it meant we won things easily season after season I guarantee I’d be bored with it.
 
LJBlade said:
Would you be more than happy if Man City and Newcastle went around buying all of the best players and therefore winning the league every single season? At the moment they’re slightly limited by FFP. Man City are only where they are because of money, imagine how much further they could take that.

I guarantee that if we had a rich benefactor that meant we won the league I’d be ecstatic, at least for a few seasons. If it meant we won things easily season after season I guarantee I’d be bored with it.
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Guess by that logic Bayern Munich fans are enjoying this season whereas they’ve been bored for the last 11?😂
 
Bennyand the Blades said:
When I first started watching United there were no subs, and if a player was injured the player either limped along on the wing or you were down to ten men.
Spoiled the game that's for sure, so I have no augment with a couple of subs for that sort of things, but to be able to change more than half of your team for the last 10 minutes and then to even extend the amount of extra time played,!!!

If that's not cheating it must still be giving the richer clubs one hell of an advantage ......
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It’s only quoted as cheating when your one of the clubs not taking advantage of it - like us this season - but last season ( even with the injury crisis) we quoted by peers as a club that would benefit from it
 
steve26272 said:
No apologies mate, I’m on the fence

On one hand I do agree, pure sport should be equal - EPL is like a heavyweight boxer vs a lightweight, punchers chance but the result should be obvious

However times change, like it or not, and now football is business.

if i can afford a Ferrari, should i be limited to a Renault as that’s all my neighbours can afford?

Most people love the rise of the underdog, giving the usual suspects a bloody nose - Blackburn, Chelsea, Man City…. Until they are top then we want them to fall

Don’t think there’s a perfect answer

Going back to my point about boxing, even that can be weighted as one fighter can afford better training facilities, coaches, nutritionalists etc

Only thing I am sure of is if we were owned by a rich benefactor most on here wouldn’t be claiming corruption, we’d be laughing and enjoying the ride
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I'd agree to a certain extent - however, if the EPL is a business - what is the point of that business? I'd suggest that as the EPL/EFL is the regulating body for the game, it's aims should be to make the league as a whole the best it can - namely the most competitive, highest quality football possible (ie. fair contests between reasonable well matched sides). It seems to work well enough for the NFL.
Instead it seems more interested in the brand - in getting global recognition off the fame of a few famous clubs - who buy their fame and victories more than earn them.
Sure - if we were one of the Big Six, we'd enjoy the ride - but English football is (at least) about 100+ teams, not 6 - and the ever increasing way the Big Six are being allowed (enabled?) to take over the EPL is not in the interest of the wider sport.
So - if we want a high quality sport that entertains and engages fans - gives them an emotional tie in and a stake in the game (as opposed to crushing their spirit and making them question their love for the game) - then the game needs to take a leaf out the NFL playbook and the Ferrari drivers need to drive Austins - the same model of Austin (though you can tinker under the bonnet if you like). Otherwise those people who pay for the Ferrari will take their money elsewhere and you'll be catching the bus!
 
The Blades will be relegated most unfortunately the reason is money plain and simple no money =no chance. this will be a problem for clubs that get promoted. They will come straight back down. in my opinion, the game is ruined by TV very rich owner who can lose a billion quid and not bat an eyelid. something needs to be done about this.it's easy for Pep Klopp etc.
 
How about, they introduce a handicap system like in Golf, based on criteria like, financial outlay, International players, recent honours, ground capacity and defensive/attacking stats.

Man City and Liverpool could have a handicap of -3 goals and United and Burnley could be on +2 goals……….obviously, I’d acknowledge it probably needs a bit of fine tuning 😉
 
1889 said:
How about, they introduce a handicap system like in Golf, based on criteria like, financial outlay, International players, recent honours, ground capacity and defensive/attacking stats.

Man City and Liverpool could have a handicap of -3 goals and United and Burnley could be on +2 goals……….obviously, I’d acknowledge it probably needs a bit of fine tuning 😉
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I'd be an advocate of a salary cap as in the NFL. Not a wage cap per player, but a club salary cap ensuring that one club can't buy all the world's best talent (Man C, Chelsea). They can pay any player what they want, but their total wage budget is limited. This would also sort out FFP at the same time.
It'd mean the PL doesn't attract as many of the big money names - but would level the playing field and make the sport better.
Let's be honest though - nothing like to this is going to happen as the EPL isn't bothered about fans - especially fans of the 100+ clubs that aren't "Big". They're bothered about TV revenue from places like Thailand and the Philippines - and no bugger out there is going to pay to watch Blades vs Luton.
The quality (fairness/competitiveness) of the product and the experience of the fans are a distant second to overseas and TV money.
 
Premier League clubs should not be in the Carabou Cup that should be for All the EFL Clubs only. they should be all drawn away in the FA Cup third round. against EFl clubs. Bring the championship to four promoted and relegated and still have the playoffs. That should all the club's summat to play for and make it more interesting.
 
steve26272 said:
I know what you mean

But in what other walk of life do we not like competition - fuel prices, supermarkets, holiday companies?

As shorehamview said above, the only ones complaining of competition are the ones not winning…..

Promise you next season when we’re welcoming little old Plymouth and beating their £5k a week players with our £20k+ lads we won’t be sympathetic
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Gave your post a like just for your optimism for next season lol
 
Blades1971 said:
Ok. They want to abolish points deductions. Fine. If they breach Fair Play rules, just relegate them. Simple really.
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Also anyone breaching FFP shouldn’t receive their money for coming in whatever position they cheated themselves into, as this just subsides their luxury tax/fine.
 

We allknow new owners com in to launder their dirty money then walk out with less but clean money.
 
So we brought in sustainability rules, and enough people agreed to it, and now that teams are actually being held to them they want to call it draconian and bring in a rule that essentially undermines it by allowing teams to spend what they want anyway?

So was it a bad idea then or now?

My guess is a few clubs have issues hanging over their heads, think they will have issues sometime soon, or are like Villa and Newcastle whose owners could spend a lot more if they could fudge it a bit, and so just want to abandon the terms they all agreed to before.

It's all bollocks. I'm not sure if I even care. It feels too far gone for it to matter. None of this will make football better or more competitive either way a vote goes. It's too late.
 
LJBlade said:
What happens if a Championship club who already has an academy gets promoted? Do they need to get rid of it?

I think what you’re really saying is you want a better system for lower league clubs to be able to hold on to their academy players. Again this comes down to money. If teams like Man City are continually allowed to poach young players by offering to buy houses for their parents then the best talent will always go to the highest spending teams and there will be very little others can do about it.
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I mentioned in the post that while you're in the premiership you can't sign players for the Academies, so if you're in the Premier League for a couple of years you can't add players for that period but when you're relegated you can continue
 
Bobby b said:
I mentioned in the post that while you're in the premiership you can't sign players for the Academies, so if you're in the Premier League for a couple of years you can't add players for that period but when you're relegated you can continue
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Apologies if I missed it but I didn’t see you say that. I was replying to the bit where you said that Premier League clubs shouldn’t be allowed to have an academy side.
 
Fucking corrupt wankers, if they had their way they'd refuse you promotion if you were too northern or summat even if you pissed the Championship with 130 points... 🤬
 
Personally I don't give a monkeys how other clubs choose to spend their money, I support my local team, always have, always will, I would love to see them win a big trophy but even if they never do they'll still be my team...
What does get up my nose is all this changing the old (Sheffield) rules, not to improve the game but to make it even easier for the big money clubs to win...
Some would even like to do away with the FA cup !!!! the only cup left that helps the grass roots of OUR game ........:fattwat:
 
I wonder if pl should move to American format, removing relagation. Let those with money fuel a model that it works for. I think this season more than any has proven that there is no point in promotions into this when the teams can't afford to quadruple their wage bill
 
Half the clubs in the premier league have got very lucky to have owners with very very deep pockets. Man City Chelsea and others were on the scrap heap. Brentford Bournemouth Brighton had crap grounds and was always in the lower leagues. Man Utd, Liverpool Arsenal Spurs were the biggest clubs when I was a kid. It will end up like the Scottish league same clubs winning every season. That would be very boring if you ask me. just my humble opinion.
 
SheepdipBlade said:
I'd agree to a certain extent - however, if the EPL is a business - what is the point of that business? I'd suggest that as the EPL/EFL is the regulating body for the game, it's aims should be to make the league as a whole the best it can - namely the most competitive, highest quality football possible (ie. fair contests between reasonable well matched sides). It seems to work well enough for the NFL.
Instead it seems more interested in the brand - in getting global recognition off the fame of a few famous clubs - who buy their fame and victories more than earn them.
Sure - if we were one of the Big Six, we'd enjoy the ride - but English football is (at least) about 100+ teams, not 6 - and the ever increasing way the Big Six are being allowed (enabled?) to take over the EPL is not in the interest of the wider sport.
So - if we want a high quality sport that entertains and engages fans - gives them an emotional tie in and a stake in the game (as opposed to crushing their spirit and making them question their love for the game) - then the game needs to take a leaf out the NFL playbook and the Ferrari drivers need to drive Austins - the same model of Austin (though you can tinker under the bonnet if you like). Otherwise those people who pay for the Ferrari will take their money elsewhere and you'll be catching the bus!
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Only just seen this post mate. I agree 100%, great post!
 
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