How do football bans work,anyone been banned before?

[Pollingtonblade]

Was there any bans after Bolton 84 which reports suggest was like the Battle of the Somme?

 

[Bladeloyal]

Was there any bans after Bolton 84 which reports suggest was like the Battle of the Somme?

Didn't come in till 89/90

 

[HarryHaslam]

Didn't come in till 89/90

For a few years before that the way they banned certain people was have them sign on at 3pm on Saturday as part of bail conditions. So if you were going not guilty and the case could be upto a year before trial and a conclusion you could effectively be banned all season just as part of your bail.

 

[Pollingtonblade]

Didn't come in till 89/90

Oh, was there any other major rucks after this? Or did it all end in the 80a?

 

[BigBed]

Oh, was there any other major rucks after this? Or did it all end in the 80a?

It's never ended, there was still a bit about in the late 90s, but its very different these days, as has been said, to many pocket rambos with powdered noses n happy to carry a Blade, and I don't mean his mate!

 

[Pollingtonblade]

It's never ended, there was still a bit about in the late 90s, but its very different these days, as has been said, to many pocket rambos with powdered noses n happy to carry a Blade, and I don't mean his mate!

Ah right, the only violence I've ever seen was a Norwich city disabled supporter getting kidney punched outside the Lane.

 

[BigBed]

Ah right, the only violence I've ever seen was a Norwich city disabled supporter getting kidney punched outside the Lane.

How often do you attend?

 

[derbysufc]

Early 2000'S still going off
Blades in Bristol when we faced wolves at Cardiff in play off final.
We had hundreds of lads there all my age no coke heads .
Same in weston supermare.
Millwall annual flag day around 2010 ish they brought the full lot up.
Regards the Bolton game 84 , brilliant memories , Edwards. Late goal but blades also paid Bolton a visit back after Blackburn away in the cup game.
Lots of little battles and different rivals at different times .
Birmingham
Tottenham
To name 2.
Forest to me now are hated more than any.

 

[BigBed]

Early 2000'S still going off
Blades in Bristol when we faced wolves at Cardiff in play off final.
We had hundreds of lads there all my age no coke heads .
Same in weston supermare.
Millwall annual flag day around 2010 ish they brought the full lot up.
Regards the Bolton game 84 , brilliant memories , Edwards. Late goal but blades also paid Bolton a visit back after Blackburn away in the cup game.
Lots of little battles and different rivals at different times .
Birmingham
Tottenham
To name 2.
Forest to me now are hated more than any.

Boxing day 98' Birmingham away, I copped for a brick in the face, which was nice

 

[Houston_Blade]

I just really don’t get it at all.

I’ve been to 100’s of away matches over the years and never managed to get into any bother at any of them.

One of the funniest things I’ve ever seen was at an away match at Chesterfield, Blades ‘lad’ walks up to a Chez ‘lad’, they walk down the side street near the Spar on Sheffield Road for a fight where no one can see them.

Why?!

I completely get football rivalries, I just don’t understand why I’d want to fight someone in a prearranged manner because he supports a different football team to me.

 

[biggiesablade]

I just really don’t get it at all.

I’ve been to 100’s of away matches over the years and never managed to get into any bother at any of them.

One of the funniest things I’ve ever seen was at an away match at Chesterfield, Blades ‘lad’ walks up to a Chez ‘lad’, they walk down the side street near the Spar on Sheffield Road for a fight where no one can see them.

Why?!

I completely get football rivalries, I just don’t understand why I’d want to fight someone in a prearranged manner because he supports a different football team to me.

It appeals to something in quite a lot of men, some people need a war to fight.

 

[Houston_Blade]

It appeals to something in quite a lot of men, some people need a war to fight.

Would joining the military not be a better idea if they want to fight with people?

 

[biggiesablade]

Would joining the military not be a better idea if they want to fight with people?

I've been speaking a lot with people about violence recently and trying to learn about what makes people more prone to violence/averse to try and improve myself as a person. I'm to thick to explain what I've been listening to, to you in a way that'll make sense but I will try later.

 

[BigBed]

Would joining the military not be a better idea if they want to fight with people?

Everyone is different, there's a reason we're not all footballers, lawyers r surgeon's, there's a reason Boxing is a sport, you don't need to understand it, you just need to be aware that it happens, whether you agree with it or not.
There's also a difference when it's an organised thing, where there are no women or children, no older or simply innocent people.
If the authorities saw it that way, it may save a lot of incidents such as Birmingham last season, when they attacked the Sheaf, forcing the landlord to take the women and children upstairs into his accommodation!

 

[Houston_Blade]

I've been speaking a lot with people about violence recently and trying to learn about what makes people more prone to violence/averse to try and improve myself as a person. I'm too thick to explain what I've been listening to, to you in a way that'll make sense but I will try later.

The bit that I struggle with is the chance that wanting a scrap over football can impact someone’s entire future as well as family and loved ones.

I’d consider myself a ‘pussy’ when it comes to fighting, however I have no shame in this.

 

[Houston_Blade]

there's a reason Boxing is a sport,

Maybe the way to do it is to introduce a regulated MMA/boxing league where people are allowed to fight for their clubs? I’m sure Stone Island would knock up some boxing shorts.

It genuinely perplexes me, I recently read the book about the Millwall undercover cop and he is almost arguing that there’s some kind of honour to it and that it should be allowed to happen.

There are threads on here moaning about the police treatment of football fans, then there’s this thread where people are glorifying having a fight at the football.

 

[Bell4]

If you are on about fan banning orders then it's usually a 3 year ban . A life ban or a few I know have 6 year banning orders.
A fair few I know can't go within a mile of bramall lane on mathday , some cant be in sheffield city centre if the blades are at home.
I knew one blade years ago who was banned for an incident v Wendy, he got a 3 year ban but still attended home games with a change of appearance in everyway and moved elsewhere in the ground.
I've never been banned and I've travelled allover, the closest I came was Walsall away 20 odd years ago. Went to court on the Thursday in Walsall expecting a ban .
What I didn't expect were around 30 other blades in court that same day Including a fair few Woodhouse blades.
Everyone brought newspapers with the clips police brutality against blades fans .
The coppers in Walsall that day were told to arrest as many blades as possible and get them banned.
Fairly sure it the in the Yorkshire Post and exposed.
I walked out a free man and I know 4 others who did . We all drank the afternoon in Walsall in our suits.
Next home game I remember Gary littler who was the blades travelling copper asking me about the case.

That works be the 1-1 draw ?

 

[derbysufc]

Nobody is glorifying anything . Its what happend years ago .
90%, of support back in the 70s/80s was made up of scrappers.
Check the history of the millwall v west ham rivalry, they were all family and fellow workers at one time. Millwall were north of the river on the Isle of dogs.
Basically in West ham terrortory .
In the late 80s early 80s you had to learn how to fight at games or you was a beaten man.
None of us are promoting trouble on here , we've just been there seen it and now money has taken over football .

 

[BigBed]

Maybe the way to do it is to introduce a regulated MMA/boxing league where people are allowed to fight for their clubs? I’m sure Stone Island would knock up some boxing shorts.

It genuinely perplexes me, I recently read the book about the Millwall undercover cop and he is almost arguing that there’s some kind of honour to it and that it should be allowed to happen.

There are threads on here moaning about the police treatment of football fans, then there’s this thread where people are glorifying having a fight at the football.

Nobody is glorifying anything, it's a thread about banning orders, unfortunately for people like yourself, it's not true you get them for spilling your chips!
People are discussing their experiences, I don't think anyone is saying they go out fighting now, it's about the past, and hooligans have always been part of football, you may or may not agree, but it won change, how ever much your perplexed by it.
Read the posts and open your mind, it was groups of like minded individuals having a blow out, many were friends and still are!
In the case of the Sheffield Derby some were/are family!, no one is asking you to understand or get involved, but neither are they asking you to judge.

 

[dexter101]

This is the balance of football isn't it. Its so Tribal yet we are putting more and more pressure on the game to be less offensive/aggressive but if you took it away, what is left?

I'm certainly not a fighter and unlikely to having any sort of scrap, however one of my favourite things on match day is the walk to the ground, everyone around is a blade and you feel part of something.

I also like rugby but going to a rugby match is completely different and In my opinion really lacking in energy.

 

[BigBed]

This is the balance of football isn't it. Its so Tribal yet we are putting more and more pressure on the game to be less offensive/aggressive but if you took it away, what is left?

I'm certainly not a fighter and unlikely to having any sort of scrap, however one of my favourite things on match day is the walk to the ground, everyone around is a blade and you feel part of something.

I also like rugby but going to a rugby match is completely different and In my opinion really lacking in energy.

Agreed with Rugby, I used to play years ago, and have a fair few mates that go regularly, and Rugby doesn't have the hooligan attachment, but, that's because Rugby was seen as a sport for the higher classes years ago, football was the working class sport, and so you had different types of fans from different societies, not quite so many young lads playing Rugby on the cobbles behind the pit houses for example.

 

[HarryHaslam]

Know plenty of the older hooligans and they are good people away from games, I’ve had many conversations about why they do it, no matter who you speak to it’s pretty much the same response, “you have to be involved to understand” … it’s crazy to me but I won’t condemn them if they are fighting like minded individuals but I just wish they would take it away from normal supporters, take it to a field in the middle of nowhere like some Europeans if you really must.

One things for certain though as far as youth cultures go throughout history hooligans/casuals has to be the most successful youth culture movement and is still going strong and attracting young lads. I’m just so glad none of my kids, grandkids, great grandkids were ever interested because I know it can be a magnet to youngsters.

But I have to say I had a few punch ups in the 70s, certainly wasn’t looking for it but those who went away in the 70s will tell you it often found us, I was in the forces so when I was home back then I’d love to meet up with my friends and travel away and have a good drink, but sometimes it was mayhem, I remember one game away at Stoke, fighting for our lives it felt like as we were getting chased through a cemetery and bricked, I can remember thinking ffs get me back to base sharpish.. and to think some people set out to actually get involved in that sort of thing, crackers.

 

[petcharlie]

Hi pal
Cheers , but I ain't exactly rough .
I'm actually very well educated.
I was just obsessed with sheffutd and seeing nobody come to the lane taking the piss.
Come to the lane for a beer and enjoy the day but don't think you own the place.
From early age the county cup games etc when Wendy tried coming on the kop I was up for it.
Now I give next to no shit , as mentioned I leave it to the coked up dickheads .
I wouldn't even say I'd made mistakes in my life I was just obsessed with sheffutd.
Now I look at life like this . What the fuk has the club done for me .
32 years never missing a home game.
2006, Scotland tour then straight to Holland v sparta Rotherham and den haag .
Budapest 2009 etc etc etc . Travelled allover with sheffutd many countries.
Now I couldn't give a flying , premier league ruined football , pundits ruined football, we now have this dickhead Stephen warnock who was a shite player trying to tell us he knows best .
I now to choose to attend when I want , im more non- league now its more interesting and no coked up dickheads.
No idea anymore regards who's a lad who ain't a lad at the lane and give no wazz.
Every copper from Ellis, Chris ellis , gaz littler knew me all about me in everyway .
My life is now very much work and a family I took on thru new relationship. .
I detest coppers , the male coppers are scumbags out to chat women up .
I watch the efl with a cup of tea but I won't watch match of the day.
The original message was sbout banning orders. I've never had one but no many who have .
As I've mentioned , I'm educated in everyway I don't go out for trouble or drugged up . I work all hours and damn f*cking proud of myself of what I've achieved and achieving in life and live a peaceful life.
The new generation of lads can have their fun but do not embarrass the club with sad behaviour.

well done mate .you have turned your life round you are due plenty of respect .

 

[BigBed]

Know plenty of the older hooligans and they are good people away from games, I’ve had many conversations about why they do it, no matter who you speak to it’s pretty much the same response, “you have to be involved to understand” … it’s crazy to me but I won’t condemn them if they are fighting like minded individuals but I just wish they would take it away from normal supporters, take it to a field in the middle of nowhere like some Europeans if you really must.

One things for certain though as far as youth cultures go throughout history hooligans/casuals has to be the most successful youth culture movement and is still going strong and attracting young lads. I’m just so glad none of my kids, grandkids, great grandkids were ever interested because I know it can be a magnet to youngsters.

But I have to say I had a few punch ups in the 70s, certainly wasn’t looking for it but those who went away in the 70s will tell you it often found us, I was in the forces so when I was home back then I’d love to meet up with my friends and travel away and have a good drink, but sometimes it was mayhem, I remember one game away at Stoke, fighting for our lives it felt like as we were getting chased through a cemetery and bricked, I can remember thinking ffs get me back to base sharpish.. and to think some people set out to actually get involved in that sort of thing, crackers.

So, inadvertently, your actually admitting that you were one of the lads you think are "crazy"!!
Your basically describing exactly what you did, which is exactly what "hooligans" did/do!
So you do understand, you just don't want to be seen that way.

 

[dexter101]

Agreed with Rugby, I used to play years ago, and have a fair few mates that go regularly, and Rugby doesn't have the hooligan attachment, but, that's because Rugby was seen as a sport for the higher classes years ago, football was the working class sport, and so you had different types of fans from different societies, not quite so many young lads playing Rugby on the cobbles behind the pit houses for example.

I suppose that's it isn't it. Generally working classes had to "fight" for more and in general are more territorial as posh people swan about wherever so have less attachment to an area

 

[derbysufc]

Seriously now and honestly as I moved away from Sheffield 7 years ago . I know the full derby dlf , all good mates of mine all top lads , one at hospital with me tomorrow as expecting back surgery . They will be with me for life. I know a few forest , Norwich. Bristol rovers , Middlesbrough, hearts. . Through my work I know loads of Birmingham all good lads .
All old school , none go for the shit just the beer but if trouble comes on they will stand.
The biggest issue nowadays is old skool lads who've been there , followed there club everywhere for young dickheads fukt off their faces on drugs . Give the club a bad name etc etc etc.
Read the gillingham fans on sheffutds visit they praised us

It's the coked head numpties thst will go to Liverpool/ man utd / Newcastle thet don't know the scenery that will let us down .

 

[HarryHaslam]

So, inadvertently, your actually admitting that you were one of the lads you think are "crazy"!!
Your basically describing exactly what you did, which is exactly what "hooligans" did/do!
So you do understand, you just don't want to be seen that way.

No that’s not what I’m admitting at all, you have read me totally wrong and tbh I’m not even sure how you have come up with that nonsense with what I said?

As I said back in the 70s at away games trouble would often find you even when you are not looking for it. There was times you literally had to fight in self defence to get yourself out of a situation as our support would often be attacked. That’s the way it was back then and not just for our fans but for most fans at certain venues around the country. You could walk out of an away end and be attacked with bottles and bricks soon as you come out, there was no CCTV and riot police, no one gave a toss, turning a corner and walking down a street and if opposing fans saw you then it could spell trouble for you, there was no hooligans like there in now that you spot a mile off with the clothes they wear, back in the 70s if you were a opposition fan you were fair game it’s as simple as that at some games.

So no I wasn’t “admitting being one of the lads” or describing “what hooligans do” I was admitting going to a game as a fan and having to fight by self defence after being attacked by morons.

 

[derbysufc]

Top post Harry haslam
That's how it was .
No protection, no cameras so you looked after yourself best you could .
We didn't walk out the ground high on drugs singing shit like we're sheffutd we do what we want.
Try walking out of Fratton Park Portsmouth early /- mid 80s singing that. Same Stoke Victoria ground or boro ayersome Park..
You be shitting your teeth out of your back side for a week .

 

[BigBed]

No that’s not what I’m admitting at all, you have read me totally wrong and tbh I’m not even sure how you have come up with that nonsense with what I said?

As I said back in the 70s at away games trouble would often find you even when you are not looking for it. There was times you literally had to fight in self defence to get yourself out of a situation as our support would often be attacked. That’s the way it was back then and not just for our fans but for most fans at certain venues around the country. You could walk out of an away end and be attacked with bottles and bricks soon as you come out, there was no CCTV and riot police, no one gave a toss, turning a corner and walking down a street and if opposing fans saw you then it could spell trouble for you, there was no hooligans like there in now that you spot a mile off with the clothes they wear, back in the 70s if you were a opposition fan you were fair game it’s as simple as that at some games.

So no I wasn’t “admitting being one of the lads” or describing “what hooligans do” I was admitting going to a game as a fan and having to fight by self defence after being attacked by morons.

I know what you said, and you said, you fought at football, you said, you liked going out for beers and football with your mates, you went with United away and ended up in trouble........
You've basically just described me and derbysufc, and probably a lot of other people on here....
I wouldn't class myself as
, or having been, a hooligan, im a Blade, a Sheffield Utd fan, and like yourself, I've sometimes found myself caught up in trouble, fights etc, and when your with your mates, lads that are like your brothers, then things are different when trouble does kick off, you don't only end up fighting to defend yourself, you fight for the lad to your left, the one to your right, and the 3 behind you, and sometimes you fight for lads you don't even know, but he's there following the club, and maybe he can't fight to protect hi.self quite as well as maybe you can?
Don't judge people, you've been there, and that's exactly why you should understand, even though yoursaying you don't.
And I totally agree about the morons that attack innocent fans, and I'm more of the mind that the organised meets are where the fighting should happen if its going too, but sometimes, you might be glad of the odd idiot, especially if your the one in the firing line??

 

[BigBed]

And as for some of the shitcunts we end up with, representing the club who we go to Wembley, we'll they are embarrassing!!