Can't Argue With This

[Jim Chimmerney]

http://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/foot...mselves-on-a-path-towards-promotion-1-5652712

Easier said than done but without doubt what McCabe and the Board should be looking to.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

http://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/foot...mselves-on-a-path-towards-promotion-1-5652712

Easier said than done but without doubt what McCabe and the Board should be looking to.

Shield got a ghost writer in?

 

[Houso]

Yep, not bad that.

Although it did miss "throw Michael Doyle in the river Sheaf and hope he drifts as far away from Sheffield as possible"

 

[StarBlade]

About 8 of those could be summed up by "Appoint the right man for the job". Do that, the rest will fall into place naturally. Don't do that, then it's just idealistic nonsense. My worry is that KM doesn't know how to appoint the right man and needs help.

 

[Junior Soduko]

Interisting about the hotel point. Does anyone know who in the current squad is currently living in a hotel? Seems a strange one to me.

 

[Wards]

At the moment there's Kitson and Robson at the very least.

 

[SouthEssexBlade]

Can't argue with any of that, but as others say it boils down to making the right managerial appointment and McCabe has an awful record on that front. I would say let someone else identify the manager, but he did that when we appointed Robson

Decide the direction we're heading in and stick to it. When things get a bit sticky no more panicking and going all Bladey with an appointment.

 

[Bergen Blade]

At the moment there's Kitson and Robson at the very least.

The last few years we've had loads of players staying there, players on short term contract who hasn't connected with teammates, the club, the fans, the city. We need players who are determined to make this club great again, and living locally can help.

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

There were many on here, including me, who advocated O'Driscoll at various points when we were managerless in the last few years for the exact reasons listed in the article, he would have given us a blue-print to work from and bought players in to fit the bill as he did with Donny. OK, since he left them he's done nothing but the principle still stands.

To a certain extent, we tried to do that (although much of it was forced upon us) in bringing through academy players from Pembo's time and it seemed as though Wilson was following it through but we still seem to bring in the wrong type of player at the wrong time and award bizarre contract extensions as we did with Doyle and Porter last season.

As people have said, we need a strong manager with a vision (the right vision) and he then needs to be given the tools to do the job. Unfortunately, I have no faith in McCabe in finding that person as he seems to have a different agenda to work from although, to be fair, the position we're in will dictate that it's likely to be someone currently out of work or from a lower level which is hardly a strong position to be starting from. Having said that, I still say it's potentially one of the best jobs outside of the Prem if someone can get things going again so it may tempt a 'bigger name'.

 

[StarBlade]

The last few years we've had loads of players staying there, players on short term contract who hasn't connected with teammates, the club, the fans, the city. We need players who are determined to make this club great again, and living locally can help.

I'm not sure I agree. Where a player chooses to live is his private choice, and I don't think an employer can go down the route of forcing players to move to a house nearby. Players have families, most are of that age where they have young children or they have children in school, they have connections elsewhere just as most people here do. Secondly, as with professional football today, some players just won't work out at their club, or even if they do, they could be sold on a whim much to the benefit of the club. Players know this, there's very rarely a "long-term" decision made by player/club anymore so asking them to commit to a future that more than likely doesn't exist is unfair. Perhaps they'll get a 25 year mortgage and take the kids out of preferred school and move them away from their grandparents if the club reciprocates the commitment with an enhanced contract? Unlikely.

As long as they turn up for training and perform on the pitch then I really don't care the location of his house.

 

[ghandi]

The trouble with the ten point plan is that as soon as it shows it is coming to fruition with up and coming players doing well...McWobblegob will start drilling holes in the seaworthy HMS SUFC.

 

[Bergen Blade]

I'm not sure I agree. Where a player chooses to live is his private choice, and I don't think an employer can go down the route of forcing players to move to a house nearby. Players have families, most are of that age where they have young children or they have children in school, they have connections elsewhere just as most people here do. Secondly, as with professional football today, some players just won't work out at their club, or even if they do, they could be sold on a whim much to the benefit of the club. Players know this, there's very rarely a "long-term" decision made by player/club anymore so asking them to commit to a future that more than likely doesn't exist is unfair. Perhaps they'll get a 25 year mortgage and take the kids out of preferred school and move them away from their grandparents if the club reciprocates the commitment with an enhanced contract? Unlikely.

As long as they turn up for training and perform on the pitch then I really don't care the location of his house.

Oh, there are reasons for players not wanting to move to Sheffield. I don't care about those reasons. I'd sign different players and avoid numerous short term signings.

"As long as they perform on the pitch"

We're about to enter our third season in division three.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

I'm not sure I agree. Where a player chooses to live is his private choice, and I don't think an employer can go down the route of forcing players to move to a house nearby. Players have families, most are of that age where they have young children or they have children in school, they have connections elsewhere just as most people here do. Secondly, as with professional football today, some players just won't work out at their club, or even if they do, they could be sold on a whim much to the benefit of the club. Players know this, there's very rarely a "long-term" decision made by player/club anymore so asking them to commit to a future that more than likely doesn't exist is unfair. Perhaps they'll get a 25 year mortgage and take the kids out of preferred school and move them away from their grandparents if the club reciprocates the commitment with an enhanced contract? Unlikely.

As long as they turn up for training and perform on the pitch then I really don't care the location of his house.

What if they are nursing a calf strain, spending time and money getting him ready for Saturday and he then spends 2/3 hours driving each way from training?

Travel time is important especially when you’re pouring £5K/week into the fella.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

Oh, there are reasons for players not wanting to move to Sheffield. I don't care about those reasons. I'd sign different players and avoid numerous short term signings.



We're about to enter our third season in division three.

Like it

 

[StarBlade]

Oh, there are reasons for players not wanting to move to Sheffield. I don't care about those reasons. I'd sign different players and avoid numerous short term signings.



We're about to enter our third season in division three.

So we're putting down our play-off failure down to the fact that players don't live nearby or spend too long in hotels? Our third season in Division 3 is due to mis-management of the club, involving purchasing and loaning of players not good enough, or selling players that were good enough.

As for signing different players, then by all means, knock yourself out. Different does not equal better. It doesn't even mean committed, it just means "local" and in that sense, it means a smaller pool to choose from or it means youth. I believe Forte lives locally, how did that work out?

We're trying to attract the best players, not turn them away because of some fanciful idea that we have a right to dictate their off the field lives too.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

So we're putting down our play-off failure down to the fact that players don't live nearby or spend too long in hotels? Our third season in Division 3 is due to mis-management of the club, involving purchasing and loaning of players not good enough, or selling players that were good enough.

As for signing different players, then by all means, knock yourself out. Different does not equal better. It doesn't even mean committed, it just means "local" and in that sense, it means a smaller pool to choose from or it means youth. I believe Forte lives locally, how did that work out?

We're trying to attract the best players, not turn them away because of some fanciful idea that we have a right to dictate their off the field lives too.

Its just a small factor in signing a player but having them not traveling is better than having them travel.
Better for the muscles.

 

[Torrix1889]

James Shield in "stating the obvious" shocker...

 

[Selly]

I think I would argue with this

MAKE A QUICK MANAGERIAL APPOINTMENT: Whoever is installed as Danny Wilson’s permanent successor, be it Chris Morgan or someone else, they should ideally be at the helm before the transfer window reopens. If uncertainty is allowed to linger, United risk missing-out on potential targets. The majority of business must be completed before pre-season.

whilst I understand the rationale, I'd rather get the right man in July, than the wrong man in May.

Of course waiting until July and getting the wrong man would be a disaster...

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

I think I would argue with this



whilst I understand the rationale, I'd rather get the right man in July, than the wrong man in May.

Of course waiting until July and getting the wrong man would be a disaster...

Get the wrong man in May; we can sack him in June and get the right man in July.

 

[super_pig]

even the Stir feel sorry for us now.. jesus

 

[Bladesman]

http://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/foot...mselves-on-a-path-towards-promotion-1-5652712

Easier said than done but without doubt what McCabe and the Board should be looking to.

You would have thought they would have done that last season.

 

[blade too long]

my only 10 point plan is to get 10 points every 4 games

 

[oldblade]

Oh, there are reasons for players not wanting to move to Sheffield. I don't care about those reasons. I'd sign different players and avoid numerous short term signings.

In which case we wouldn't have signed Michael Brown and would have deprived ourselves of one of the best midfield players we've had in the last 35 years..

 

[Ted Danson]

I'm not sure I agree. Where a player chooses to live is his private choice, and I don't think an employer can go down the route of forcing players to move to a house nearby. Players have families, most are of that age where they have young children or they have children in school, they have connections elsewhere just as most people here do. Secondly, as with professional football today, some players just won't work out at their club, or even if they do, they could be sold on a whim much to the benefit of the club. Players know this, there's very rarely a "long-term" decision made by player/club anymore so asking them to commit to a future that more than likely doesn't exist is unfair. Perhaps they'll get a 25 year mortgage and take the kids out of preferred school and move them away from their grandparents if the club reciprocates the commitment with an enhanced contract? Unlikely.

As long as they turn up for training and perform on the pitch then I really don't care the location of his house.

A 25 year mortgage doesnt have the same implication for someone who is a professional footballer, they can pay off the interest on it in a few weeks / months then they have an extra salable asset. As for kids and grandparents well if I had kids and were offered a job elsewhere then the kids would just have to follow so why not for footballers too?

Id argue that the advantages they receive from being the offspring of a highly paid footballer will outway the disadvantages of having to move around abit

 

[StarBlade]

A 25 year mortgage doesnt have the same implication for someone who is a professional footballer, they can pay off the interest on it in a few weeks / months then they have an extra salable asset. As for kids and grandparents well if I had kids and were offered a job elsewhere then the kids would just have to follow so why not for footballers too?

Id argue that the advantages they receive from being the offspring of a highly paid footballer will outway the disadvantages of having to move around abit

Average wage for a League 1 player is £80k per annum (http://soccerlens.com/finance-in-english-football-wage-disparities-between-the-divisions/92692/) , and remember that's average. Some will be earning much less than that. It's certainly a far cry from the £5k a week people have mentioned. Ok, it's a lot of money in Sheffield, but it's not a massive amount and certainly not anywhere near paying off a mortgage in a few weeks. It would be a long-term financial commitment. The wives of said players would/could also need to change jobs should they move. I have a mortgage already, it took me a year to sell my last place and 4 months to buy my new place. This idea that once the ink is dry, people instantly transfer from one part of the country to another is ridiculous, it's not even practical.

As for moving about if you were offered a job, no you wouldn't have to move, you have to choose. You could move near to work, you could commute daily/weekly, or you could stay in B&B's or rent. Your employer doesn't have the right to tell you where you will live your life outside of work. I don't live where I work.

Without going into the un-settling implications for a parent of moving their child around, if a person is contracted to be at training at 8am and does that and while there performs his duties, then I don't think for one second the employer can state where they live.

 

[Ted Danson]

At training for 8am! Haha that's a good one, try 1 or 2 pm.

I said they'd pay off the interest on the mortgage in a few weeks/months not the entire thing.

Also someone who earns that kind of money will have a much bigger deposit and get much more favourable rates than you or I. Id also imagine that their house would be quite plush and in a good end of town so selling wouldn't be that much of an issue and selling immediately wouldn't be such an issue if your earning £80K anyway.

They should also be aiming to get out of this league and earn a hell of alot more than £80Kpa

And he didnt say they'd have to move immediately, it could be after 6 months or similar so the club gets to see the player properly and the player gets to decide if the club is right for him and if it is he shows his commitment by moving here.

 

[Hollinsend]

Average wage for a League 1 player is £80k per annum (http://soccerlens.com/finance-in-english-football-wage-disparities-between-the-divisions/92692/) , and remember that's average. Some will be earning much less than that. It's certainly a far cry from the £5k a week people have mentioned.

Our squad is about 29 players including the academy players. An average of £80k at SUFC would suggest a first team squad player wage bill of £2.32 million. I thought we were spending a fair bit more than tha at around £4.3m, which would suggest the average would be around £150k (or maybe split something like average £4k pw for the first 16 and nearer to average £1k for the rest?). Just a guess, but I think £80k average looks on the low side for our current wage bill.

 

[Guesty]

The article mentions Swansea, what impresses me about them aside from the obvious is the seamless transition they keep making between managers. Starting with Jackett and going through Martinez, Sousa, Rodgers and now Laudrup each manager has continued with the good work of the previous one. No ripping it up and starting again for them. Do they have a more permanent post at the Club who ensures these smooth transitions and provides continuity, or is there board just much better at making decisions?

 

[Sothall_Blade]

The last few years we've had loads of players staying there, players on short term contract who hasn't connected with teammates, the club, the fans, the city. We need players who are determined to make this club great again, and living locally can help.

I seem to remember hearing an interview with Murphy (I think) and he said there were a few of them staying together at the hotel. However he was saying it was good for team spirit because they could all eat together, knock about together, get to know each other better etc..

I think in the long-term, married players should ideally be looking to buy a house locally and move their family up here but while that process is happening or if they're single it's probably better that they're together in the hotel than living alone out in the sticks somewhere.

I also think we struggle enough to buy and retain good players without imposing additional "local living arrangements" restrictions on the manager.

 

[UnitedBlade]

Our squad is about 29 players including the academy players. An average of £80k at SUFC would suggest a first team squad player wage bill of £2.32 million. I thought we were spending a fair bit more than tha at around £4.3m, which would suggest the average would be around £150k (or maybe split something like average £4k pw for the first 16 and nearer to average £1k for the rest?). Just a guess, but I think £80k average looks on the low side for our current wage bill.

I would go with those figures. Didn't someone say that one of Wilson's gripes with McCabe was that he'd got the wage bill down to £4M and his reward was the sack. Much as post Christmas was a disaster and we weren't going anywhere with Wilson, McCabe backed him into a corner.

However, we still have some relatively high earning individuals who are not achieving. I'd be happy to clear out a lot of those.

I would love to know the exact wages figures for Doncaster, Bournemouth, Brentford, Yeovil and Swindon.

Certainly the season before last Brentford's total wage bill (not just players) was £5M. Their turnover was £3M ! They could do that the season before last but what have they actually done this season ?

Given what happened in the January transfer window, I doubt we now pay multiples more than everyone else in the league.

I can't believe the clubs towards the top of L1 pay an average of £80k for players