Managerial failings once more..

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Up until the red card we were terrible. The set up looked off but the lack of pace and passion from the players needs addressing more than anything. Doesn't matter how you set up if you're second to every ball, slow to react and constantly giving the ball away, we looked shocking. As soon as they had one deservedly sent off we all woke up and looked a different team. Luxury team? Probably, but I'll definitely take the point and the climb off the bottom.

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Who on here would have taken a draw before the game ? Who on here would have gone ballistic had we gone gung ho for the win and lost . All this against one of the best up and coming sides in the league. Let’s just put a modest run together to see if we can by a miracle avoid relegation. We’ve gone from laughing stock to a team that should be beating euro qualifiers away from home . 🫣
 
Maidenhead said:
We're not papering over any cracks.

Most of us know that our players aren't good enough for the Premier League.
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What standard would you say the players are?
Would you accept they are at least Championship standard?

If yes, then why are we not playing and attacking games like a Championship teams?
Generally defend and rely on counter attacks?

Why can't we have composure and show the same level of basic passing ability as mid table championship teams?
we came up with Luton and Burnley, how come they look much better on the ball than us and show more attacking intent.

Thats what is means by papering over the cracks.
We might be gaining results but why do we always look like we have some decent players who all met up as new team mates 2 days ago.
We are not well drilled and don't seem to have a system apart from desperately boot it long up field.

If we drew a league 1 team in the cup.
I wouldn't feel confident and think a neutral would probably be unable to guess which league each team was in.

I'm still fully in support of Hecky though. I had concerns with our general performances last season too, kept saying if we regularly sit back inviting pressure from the opposition, then sooner or later we'll be punished but I was wrong, we always seemed to manage to hold out, I'm hoping I'm wrong again.
 
Maidenhead said:
We're not papering over any cracks.

Most of us know that our players aren't good enough for the Premier League.

That's not their fault and all we can ask is that they give everything in every game and pick up points when they can.

The same goes for the manager, it wouldn't matter what subs he made the players still wouldn't be good enough, and anyone that thinks we can compete by bringing kids and inexperienced players on is living in cloud cuckoo land.

The last two games have yielded four points from two teams with much better players than us so I simply say well done to all involved.
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Whilst I agree, I'd argue substitutions (or lack there of) have directly costs us goals, games, points.

I'd also be interested to see how working the players this hard is impacting their injuries.

If we carry on like this and don't adapt our programme i really worry for us later in the season!
 
Sheffsteel said:
What standard would you say the players are?
Would you accept they are at least Championship standard?

If yes, then why are we not playing and attacking games like a Championship teams?
Generally defend and rely on counter attacks?

Why can't we have composure and show the same level of basic passing ability as mid table championship teams?
we came up with Luton and Burnley, how come they look much better on the ball than us and show more attacking intent.

Thats what is means by papering over the cracks.
We might be gaining results but why do we always look like we have some decent players who all met up as new team mates 2 days ago.
We are not well drilled and don't seem to have a system apart from desperately boot it long up field.

If we drew a league 1 team in the cup.
I wouldn't feel confident and think a neutral would probably be unable to guess which league each team was in.

I'm not complaining fully yet. I had concerns with our general performances last season too, kept saying if we regularly sit back inviting pressure from the opposition, then sooner or later we'll be punished but I was wrong, we always seemed to manage to hold out, I'm hoping I'm wrong again.
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I would say that we're a team of mainly Championship players and if we tried to play on the front foot then our goal difference would be even worse than it is now.

As regards Luton and Burnley, one just lumps it down the channels and the aesthetically pleasing team are below us and have scored less goals than us.
 
Really have to agree with the OP, the team was crying out for subs, Brighton were struggling and a few of our players, Hamer in particular were empty. We weren’t doing much down the left hand side. Nothing against Osborne but it shows some sort of managerial weakness, if he is the answer to everything. Can’t see why we couldn’t have swapped out Hamer for Fleck, maybe Traote for Archer and Larouci for Thomas
 
TJ blade said:
Have a look at the picture close up pal, any harder and he would have snapped his achilles tendon.
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😂😂

Have the same energy when it happens against us. I don’t wanna hear a word.
 
IdLiketoRogerMoore said:
Whilst I agree, I'd argue substitutions (or lack there of) have directly costs us goals, games, points.

I'd also be interested to see how working the players this hard is impacting their injuries.

If we carry on like this and don't adapt our programme i really worry for us later in the season!
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I disagree with your first point as I fail to see that swapping better players for poorer ones, just because the poorer ones are fresher, will bring anything extra to the team.

Fully concur on your last two points and that's the conundrum that the management currently face.

I'm glad it's their problem and not mine.
 
CopenhagenBlade said:
Really have to agree with the OP, the team was crying out for subs, Brighton were struggling and a few of our players, Hamer in particular were empty. We weren’t doing much down the left hand side. Nothing against Osborne but it shows some sort of managerial weakness, if he is the answer to everything. Can’t see why we couldn’t have swapped out Hamer for Fleck, maybe Traote for Archer and Larouci for Thomas
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Have you seen Fleck and Traore play recently?

I didn't see the game today so I can't comment on Thoma/Larouci
 
Overthehills said:
Firstly, I'm gutted that we didn't pick up three points there.. Not just because we desperatlely need them. But because it would have been a fitting tribute to Ains after the devastating news broke on here yesterday. Once more, my thoughts are with all connected to Matt. Rest well blade!

After the above it seems lame to have a whinge to be honest. I said it last night and I say it again, life itself it greater than football.

Going back to today's game however, it is hard not to feel underwhelmed by the gaffer again.

Asaba hit the nail on the head it terms of how we are setting up. We are playing players out of position and not to their individual strengths? Why?... I don't understand the team selections or the way that we set ourselves up.....What is the thought process behind it all?

Secondly, my biggest annoyance with Hecky.... Substitutions... And today being another glowing example of how inept we are at rolling the dice and making positive tactical changes.

Brighton have a player sent off and instantly their gaffer acknowledges that they will have to work a lot harder, therefore he intrduces fresh legs to keep the tempo up. Us on the other hand.... after weathering the first half and looking a little bit sluggish in areas, we persevere and don't change anything up.... Why?

It is surely no coincidence that we concede so many goals later in games. We burn our players out and fail to act on the tactical changes that the opposition make. Granted, we are up against luxury sqauds week in, week out... But never the less we don't do anything to try and counter the sudden influx of energy from opponents. With teams making 5 changes, they can literally rip tired legs apart and expose all of our weaknesses...

Perhaps it's also no conincidence that our injury record is appalling still.. Granted you can't place the blame solely on the mabager for that one... but surely tactical substitutions would aid in protecting our players a little bit?..... When it is obvious that certain players are blowing out of their backsides, then you change it up and remove them from the pitch... Why do we persevere?... Players are no longer able to track back and at times they look disinterested in receiving the ball as they simple don't have the energy levels.

I'm no football manager, but for me the failings are quite obvious.... Whilst it's a point gained, for me it is definitely 2 points lost through negativity.
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I’m guessing you’ve not been to the match today
 

Sheffsteel said:
What standard would you say the players are?
Would you accept they are at least Championship standard?

If yes, then why are we not playing and attacking games like a Championship teams?
Generally defend and rely on counter attacks?

Why can't we have composure and show the same level of basic passing ability as mid table championship teams?
we came up with Luton and Burnley, how come they look much better on the ball than us and show more attacking intent.

Thats what is means by papering over the cracks.
We might be gaining results but why do we always look like we have some decent players who all met up as new team mates 2 days ago.
We are not well drilled and don't seem to have a system apart from desperately boot it long up field.

If we drew a league 1 team in the cup.
I wouldn't feel confident and think a neutral would probably be unable to guess which league each team was in.

I'm still fully in support of Hecky though. I had concerns with our general performances last season too, kept saying if we regularly sit back inviting pressure from the opposition, then sooner or later we'll be punished but I was wrong, we always seemed to manage to hold out, I'm hoping I'm wrong again.
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We aren't playing and attacking games like Championship teams because we aren't playing against Championship teams. Don't think Luton or Burnley look much better, and they've not had the ridiculous off the field problems we've had.
 
Maidenhead said:
Have you seen Fleck and Traore play recently?

I didn't see the game today so I can't comment on Thoma/Larouci
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I think that in the situation that we were in, they could have done something at least brought some energy to a tiring side playing against 10 men
 
CopenhagenBlade said:
I think that in the situation that we were in, they could have done something at least brought some energy to a tiring side playing against 10 men
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But if you take off Archer for Traore and he gets a big chance and misses it? We wanted a goal so who do you take off for a lad who has never played at Championship level?
 
Sheffsteel said:
What standard would you say the players are?
Would you accept they are at least Championship standard?

If yes, then why are we not playing and attacking games like a Championship teams?
Generally defend and rely on counter attacks?

Why can't we have composure and show the same level of basic passing ability as mid table championship teams?
we came up with Luton and Burnley, how come they look much better on the ball than us and show more attacking intent.

Thats what is means by papering over the cracks.
We might be gaining results but why do we always look like we have some decent players who all met up as new team mates 2 days ago.
We are not well drilled and don't seem to have a system apart from desperately boot it long up field.

If we drew a league 1 team in the cup.
I wouldn't feel confident and think a neutral would probably be unable to guess which league each team was in.

I'm still fully in support of Hecky though. I had concerns with our general performances last season too, kept saying if we regularly sit back inviting pressure from the opposition, then sooner or later we'll be punished but I was wrong, we always seemed to manage to hold out, I'm hoping I'm wrong again.
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ah well at least we are better than wednesday
 
CopenhagenBlade said:
Really have to agree with the OP, the team was crying out for subs, Brighton were struggling and a few of our players, Hamer in particular were empty. We weren’t doing much down the left hand side. Nothing against Osborne but it shows some sort of managerial weakness, if he is the answer to everything. Can’t see why we couldn’t have swapped out Hamer for Fleck, maybe Traote for Archer and Larouci for Thomas
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Hamer closed their man down on the edge of their box right at the end. Do you think Fleck would have done better? Archer has proved he’s a finisher and Thomas was solid again.
 
If we'd have set up to go for it from the off we'd have been hammered by half time. Their goal was a good goal albeit some flakey defending by Bogle then Souza. My gripe is that with a player down we didn't take full advantage. We need to take full advantage of the few chances we make. Bogles miss was criminal not to hit the target.
 
AWetFlannel said:
But if you take off Archer for Traore and he gets a big chance and misses it? We wanted a goal so who do you take off for a lad who has never played at Championship level?
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I'll ignore the negative shitting on our options, and just leave this - but what if you leave Archer on and, because he's knackered, he never gets into the position to take the chance in the first place?
 

EddieColquhoun said:
Hamer closed their man down on the edge of their box right at the end. Do you think Fleck would have done better? Archer has proved he’s a finisher and Thomas was solid again.
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I’m not saying that they shouldn’t start but that fresh legs with 10-15 minutes to go might have made a difference
 
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