Remove Wilson from his job thread

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Guesty said:
I'm a 'skins man myself and I must say I thoroughly enjoyed watching Romo fail to get it done against a half fit rookie in last year's final regular season game!
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Your man Morris' 200 yards rushing was more damaging. This year we will be top of the world! Romo also finished with a broken rib thanks to our superb OL
 



blader said:
A point I completely disagree with, and have to keep reiterating my point about it.

Firstly, Kitson is our top scorer so why would you get rid of your teams top scorer? Also, Robson has been an improvement on the alternatives, and Higginbotham was signed has cover.

Also, look at any other team at the top, Donny for example, top of our division. Today that had Jones (33) Griffin (34) Coppinger (32) Spurr (30). These are older experienced players and they are top. So why is it different for them? Well, it's not. We can't have a team of 21 year olds and expect to walk the division, it's simply not realistic. We need older players, and we only had 4 players (Hill, Kitson, Robson, Doyle) in today's team 30 or over.

Clearly Danny will be here until the end of the season, and have you EVER stopped to think that these kids aren't playing because they aren't good enough?? It amazes me that you have seen them for maybe a handful of games (tops), yet Wilson sees them every day in training and you think that YOU are the person with a better understanding of the players? Madness, I tell you!
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I don't care what you agree or disagree with personally. I supported Wilson and I felt like being let down. Have you EVER stopped to think that Danny hasn't got a clue? My vision for the future is a lot different to a lot of people and I understand that. I would rather have the pain now and blood youngsters and find out whether they are good enough. Just because some dick has seen them in the u21's doesn't mean that they have seen a players game face. If and it's a big if we get promoted this season we are going to be cannon fodder and what's the plan for next season, we bring in another batch of over 30's with no legs?

I do not want players like Kitson, Higginbottom, Doyle, Robson etc; taking up half our team. Someone tell me where their experience was to get a result yesterday?
 
KenMcnaughtsNuts said:
were like the cowboys. in league 1 terms. lots of hot hair but no substance.
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Have the players, not the bottle. Lose the big games... You can imagine the hell I go through ever year as it's magnified. Finally we are starting to draft well and build from within, would be lovely if we could do things the right way here.
 
If United don't go up this season, Wilson will be out on his arse anyway.

Two years to achieve the grand total of **** all.
 
Fiery Blade said:
I sat there today thinking 'Are they the worst United side I have ever seen?' and no I have seen some sh!te in the last 50 years but at least the sh!te tried - this lot beggars belief No Heart No passion No Balls and No Talent!
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Just something I've been pondering overnight. Since I first went in 1962, this is the worst team - by far - that I've ever seen. A combination of flogging owt that shows promise and the very poorest manager (and I'm including Micky Adams in this) who is utterly incapable of motivating players.

Small Mendonca said:
Warnock resigns at Leeds...why not have him back? Too much water has gone under the bridge with him and McCabe but I'd have him back. Sack Wilson and give Warnock a chance. At least you wouldn't be able to say the team were playing without passion. What do we do? Let Wilson have till the end of the season and us not go up anyway or take the chance with Colin?
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Good luck with that. Too many people have made their minds up about NW and would rather we kept Danny 'Titanic' Wilson. A few weeks ago, I suggested di Canio and got dog's abuse from our Guardianista tendency. 'But he's a fascist!' they whined in their best Poly Toynbee voices. Rather that than the son of a Marxist/Champage Socialist tosser.
 
grafikhaus said:
Just something I've been pondering overnight. Since I first went in 1962, this is the worst team - by far - that I've ever seen. A combination of flogging owt that shows promise and the very poorest manager (and I'm including Micky Adams in this) who is utterly incapable of motivating players.



Good luck with that. Too many people have made their minds up about NW and would rather we kept Danny 'Titanic' Wilson. A few weeks ago, I suggested di Canio and got dog's abuse from our Guardianista tendency. 'But he's a fascist!' they whined in their best Poly Toynbee voices. Rather that than the son of a Marxist/Champage Socialist tosser.
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You're nothing if not entertaining:

1. Some people may not want Warnock as manager
2. Therefore they must not want Di Canio as manager
3. That must be because Di Canio is a Fascist
4. Therefore they must want David Miliband to be manager.

Fantastic!
 
Put it this way.

With 7 games to go, neither manager (Wilson or Warnock) can bring in any more players and both managers will have the same players with their lack of skills. Wilson has had 39 games to prove if he has got it to take us up (but has fail constantly with defeats against rock bottom Hartlepool and a goalless draw against the worse defense in the league, for example). If we get Warnock in, he will have 7 games to get us up and we all know (even the ones who hate him) is that Warnock will make the players work, he will give them the motivation to get them to work for 90 mins. He will tell them how it is even if they don't like it. The thing that Warnock has over Wilson it motivation skills. It's clear Wilson doesn't have any. Plus there is the fact that a new manger will bring the jump in form a new manager brings (if only for 6 or 7 games but that is how many we have left)


I know there is 7 games left to play but in my mind we are playing for 3rd place. Bournemouth are the team in form with 5 wins in a row whilst Doncaster has the points in the bag.
 
grafikhaus said:
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Good luck with that. Too many people have made their minds up about NW and would rather we kept Danny 'Titanic' Wilson. A few weeks ago, I suggested di Canio and got dog's abuse from our Guardianista tendency. 'But he's a fascist!' they whined in their best Poly Toynbee voices. Rather that than the son of a Marxist/Champage Socialist tosser.
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because they don't know what a fascist is mate.. they think it is the same as a nazi
i'm going to have to explain this aren't i??
 
mpjacko said:
Put it this way.

With 7 games to go, neither manager (Wilson or Warnock) can bring in any more players and both managers will have the same players with their lack of skills. Wilson has had 39 games to prove if he has got it to take us up (but has fail constantly with defeats against rock bottom Hartlepool and a goalless draw against the worse defense in the league, for example). If we get Warnock in, he will have 7 games to get us up and we all know (even the ones who hate him) is that Warnock will make the players work, he will give them the motivation to get them to work for 90 mins. He will tell them how it is even if they don't like it. The thing that Warnock has over Wilson it motivation skills. It's clear Wilson doesn't have any. Plus there is the fact that a new manger will bring the jump in form a new manager brings (if only for 6 or 7 games but that is how many we have left)


I know there is 7 games left to play but in my mind we are playing for 3rd place. Bournemouth are the team in form with 5 wins in a row whilst Doncaster has the points in the bag.
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Mandaric took a chance with the pigs last year and got rid of Gay Ron Smeg and the new manager syndrome worked for them so there's a chance it might work for us but who knows if we don't try it.
 
I don't normally advocate getting rid of managers, but yesterdays game tells everyone what they need to know about how we'll finish the season. A change now could give us a better shot, just for the new manager syndrome I guess.

I'm still on the fence on this one personally, but understand why people are suggesting it.
 
super_pig said:
yeah i would .. at least he is honest and not a hypocrite.. the son of a millionaire marxist at that.. do you know what a fascist is??
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That would be someone like Mussolini who outlaws trade unions, abolishes parliament. murders his political opponents, invades and annexes countries like Ethiopia and Albania and allies himself with Nazis wouldn't it?
 
Darren said:
That would be someone like Mussolini who outlaws trade unions, abolishes parliament. murders his political opponents, invades and annexes countries like Ethiopia and Albania and allies himself with Nazis wouldn't it?
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And in his book (so very unlikely to be misquoted) Di Canio called Mussolini "A basically very principled, ethical man". A thug and a butcher who as Darren writes allied himself with Hitler. So anyone who says this 'Di Canio is a fascist' rhetoric is hyperbolic is just indulging in wishful thinking. He is an avowed, proud fascist although he does repeatedly deny being a racist.
 



sheffielder said:
Your man Morris' 200 yards rushing was more damaging. This year we will be top of the world! Romo also finished with a broken rib thanks to our superb OL
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At the risk of taking this thread off topic and talking about a sports team of mine that is actually doing well, Morris was a brilliant draft and may well to turn out to be better than Griffin, assuming Griffin keeps getting these injuries. To think he dropped to the sixth round and was about 5th in our Running Back depth chart is astounding. Hopefully he has the same impact as another 6th round no-hoper, Tom Brady...
 
Guesty said:
And in his book (so very unlikely to be misquoted) Di Canio called Mussolini "A basically very principled, ethical man". A thug and a butcher who as Darren writes allied himself with Hitler. So anyone who says this 'Di Canio is a fascist' rhetoric is hyperbolic is just indulging in wishful thinking. He is an avowed, proud fascist although he does repeatedly deny being a racist.
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As you say Mussolni was an extremely nasty peice of work. The fact that he was not as nasty as Hitler does not, to me, seem much of a defence.
 
Regardless of his political views, of which in my opinion have absolutely no relevance to him being a football manager, whether people agree with them or not, i think this is a shrewd move by sunderland as i believe he will keep them up.

The problem with Romo, is that he is surrounded by an extreme lack of talent on the offensive side of the ball. Similar to what Danny Wilson is faced with now.
 
heh no you don't then.. you've totally fallen for the typical nazi racist shtick fed by the bbc and the guardian types
actually it was a trick question.. noone can actually agree what fascism is and whether it fits onto the classic right-left spectrum or whether it is the 'extreme centre'
personally i'm with Socrates on democracy.. if you are ill get a doctor, don't get ten plebs to vote for a solution.. saying that i don't advocate fascism in it's current form either, mainly because the 'supposed' fascists don't understand fascism either and assume it is about racism
Darren and the legal types absolutely love democracy as it creates mountains of paperwork and process and keeps them in a job eh mate??
 
Junior Soduko said:
Regardless of his political views, of which in my opinion have absolutely no relevance to him being a football manager, whether people agree with them or not, i think this is a shrewd move by sunderland as i believe he will keep them up.

The problem with Romo, is that he is surrounded by an extreme lack of talent on the offensive side of the ball. Similar to what Danny Wilson is faced with now.
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The appointment of a fascist as a manager flies in the face of Kick Racism Out. Di Canio can say he's a fascist but not a racist but I don't know of any fascist system that does not have enthnocentricity as a central plank of their totaliterian system.
 
super_pig said:
heh no you don't then.. you've totally fallen for the typical nazi racist shtick fed by the bbc and the guardian types
actually it was a trick question.. noone can actually agree what fascism is and whether it fits onto the classic right-left spectrum or whether it is the 'extreme centre'
personally i'm with Socrates on democracy.. if you are ill get a doctor, don't get ten plebs to vote for a solution.. saying that i don't advocate fascism in it's current form either, mainly because the 'supposed' fascists don't understand fascism either and assume it is about racism
Darren and the legal types absolutely love democracy as it creates mountains of paperwork and process and keeps them in a job eh mate??
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Yes, you've got me there. I only believe in democracy because it keeps me in work. Weere it not for that, I would be very anti-democratic as it allows people like you to have a vote....
 
super_pig said:
yeah i would .. at least he is honest and not a hypocrite.. the son of a millionaire marxist at that.. do you know what a fascist is??
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Better than you, I suspect.

It’s fundamentally reactionary authoritarianism, although historically there have been a variety of discrepant forms.

It is an ideology defining itself against liberalism and socialism aimed at comprehensively purifying and homogenizing all aspects of society – political, cultural, and economic. Its main preoccupation today is with community decline, promoting a sham victimology that adapts a historical engagement with anti-socialism to a mass electorate. As uncompromising nationalists, they want to make their own group stronger, purer, and more unified to establish domination over inferior groups, by force if necessary. Fascism originally based its public appeal by claiming to represent a “neither left nor right” solution but a transcendent unifying force (this is currently part of its appeal for people who want to kid themselves that they are not allying themselves to what amounts to essentially a revolutionary movement associated with right-wing fanaticism, racism, totalitarianism, and violence).

Fascism is an ideology right wing-populism that indulges fantasises of total national rebirth, based on overthrowing liberal democratic regimes – it is a regime which attempts to inaugurate a new order based on a utopian vision of the revivified national or racial community. It wants the wholesale destruction of the democratic state not just in ethos but in a series of systemic constitutional and institutional changes. These liberal civic institutions are then to be replaced by a highly centralized state with no countervailing forces, a process promoted and theorized by all fascist ideologues and movements and extensively actualized in very different ways by Nazism and the Ustasha State, both with genocidal consequences for the enemy.

Authentic fascists intend to harm those whom they define as the nation’s internal and external enemies. Someone who doesn’t intend to harm his or her enemies, and who doesn’t relish doing it violently, isn’t really fascist.
 
super_pig said:
heh no you don't then.. you've totally fallen for the typical nazi racist shtick fed by the bbc and the guardian types
actually it was a trick question.. noone can actually agree what fascism is and whether it fits onto the classic right-left spectrum or whether it is the 'extreme centre'
personally i'm with Socrates on democracy.. if you are ill get a doctor, don't get ten plebs to vote for a solution.. saying that i don't advocate fascism in it's current form either, mainly because the 'supposed' fascists don't understand fascism either and assume it is about racism
Darren and the legal types absolutely love democracy as it creates mountains of paperwork and process and keeps them in a job eh mate??
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There has been a pretty clear consensus on what constitutes fascism and how it may be defined since the early 1990s, and it has nothing to do with the BBC or Guardian. Read Roger Griffin or Robert Paxton.
 
the original concept of fascism does not equal racism it was only introduced later in the manifesto of race when Mussolini was in Hitlers pocket.. National Socialism (which everyone seems to get mixed up with) is a bonkers mix of a fascist base mixed with Hitlers personal prejudices .. mainly based upon race..
As for Imperialism.. the democrats aren't squeaky clean on this either as North America and Africa can testify

Another important thing
jokes about democracy aside .. i'm NOT a fan of fascism.. BUT i'd suggest the word has become a perjorative term much like 'heretic' in the 13th century.. i'd simply encourage people to do a bit of reading instead of blindly accepting the doctrine rammed down your throat by the church.. sorry.. BBC
 
secretchief said:
There has been a pretty clear consensus on what constitutes fascism and how it may be defined since the early 1990s, and it has nothing to do with the BBC or Guardian. Read Roger Griffin or Robert Paxton.
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actually you need to read Emilio Gentile or Stanley Payne.. the consensus is created by the 'tolerant' liberal types who are tolerant to everyone who agrees with them
i'm happy to create a new thread to discuss this if anyone is genuinely interested and can discuss it rationally without getting hysterical
 
Wilson will take us to the play-offs again and it's all down to the home form . Very disapointing once again but who trusts mcabe to bring in a better manager certainly not me. I haven't been to a match since yeovil at home and dont intend to under our current manager . I can only stomach so much ! The team is poor and the bad atmosphere inside the ground doesn't make me want to spend money watching the blades at the minute . He used to be shite but now he just seems shiter .
 



Guesty said:
At the risk of taking this thread off topic and talking about a sports team of mine that is actually doing well, Morris was a brilliant draft and may well to turn out to be better than Griffin, assuming Griffin keeps getting these injuries. To think he dropped to the sixth round and was about 5th in our Running Back depth chart is astounding. Hopefully he has the same impact as another 6th round no-hoper, Tom Brady...
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Have to find out if Morris is only good because of the read option! Soon find out because Griffin's running days are behind him. I have a feeling his career is going to be short lived.
 
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