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I highly doubt it will come to this but, potentially Coventry might be liquidated prior to the end of the season. If that does come to pass then I assume either all their points become void, or any club still left to play Coventry would automatically get three points.




Does Administration – Or Perhaps Even Liquidation – Now Beckon For Coventry City?
by Ian on March 13, 2013

This evening at The Ricoh Arena in front of a paltry looking crowd of less than 9,500 people, a free kick two minutes into stoppage time at the end of the match between Coventry City and Colchester United rescued a point for the home team which might have previously appeared lost. It was a result which leaves the Sky Blues in ninth place in League On. The team is now six points from the play-offs, which would not be an insurmountable shortfall to have to make up on the clubs above them in the table were it not for one not insignificant detail – Coventry City seemed destined to collapse into either administration or liquidation over the next few days or so as a result of a lengthy dispute with their landlords over the terms of the lease that they have, for now, at their home stadium.
The story of Coventry City’s slide towards this position has been one of brinkmanship in the face of overwhelming evidence suggesting that such a hard-headed negotiating position might not necessarily have been the wisest of ideas. The club has been in dispute with Arena Coventry Limited, the company who run the stadium on behalf of Coventry City Council and the Higgs Trust, for many months now. It claims that it is massively overpaying for use of the stadium – even though this was a tenancy agreement which was agreed presumably without guns being held to the head of those that did so on behalf of the club – and that it cannot continue to survive without a huge reduction in rent and getting its hands on match day revenue, which it is not currently contractually entitled to.
Things started to come to a head when the club was issued with a Statutory Demand, giving it twenty-one days to pay the amount of rent that it owes in full, or face the possibility of a winding up petition being lodged against it. This didn’t follow, but that this happened may have been due to the apparent fact that Coventry’s non-payment of their rent was starting to have a serious effect on ACL itself. Starved of its biggest source of income by its truculent tenant, the company approached Coventry City Council, agreed in January to take over ACL’s mortgage on more favourable terms with the lender, Yorkshire Bank, relieving a little of the pressure on the company. This was followed up with the issuance of a Third Party Debt Order over the unpaid rent which froze the club’s bank account, and it was then hit with another transfer embargo at the start of this month after failing to submit its annual accounts on time for the third year in a row. All of this came with ACL having confirmed three weeks ago that talks with regard to renegotiating the lease for the stadium were emphatically off.
The one constant throughout this entire mess has been the brinkmanship of the club’s owners, the hedge fund SISU, over the last few weeks, and this has continued this week with the thoughts of the club’s chief executive, Tim Fisher. “ACL have been robust in their external statements that they are not in negotiations with us anymore and that negotiations have stopped,” Fisher said. “We are at a tipping point and insolvent liquidation cannot be reasonably avoided. “They need to re-enter negotiations pronto or we file. We’ll have no option because there would not be reasonable probability of avoiding insolvency liquidation. We entered the twilight zone on the 22nd February [which was when ACL announced that negotiations were off] and the twilight zone will become the dead of night very soon unless negotiations are re-entered. We have to show our lawyers that negotiations are ongoing.” So far, so emotive, but is this sort of language actually helpful in terms of getting this matter resolved? After all, SISU would stand to lose a considerable amount of money were the club to enter into administration or be liquidated. Would they accept this loss over the level of money that they are currently arguing over with ACL, or is this just yet another attempt at what seems to pass for “negotiation” on the part of SISU these days?
Exactly why ACL has been forced to such extreme action is not difficult to understand. The club owes more than £1.3m in unpaid rent, and while the issue of match day revenue may sound like relatively small beer, such an agreement, were it ever to be agreed by ACL, would effectively reduce the value of the rental package to £150,000 through increases in catering revenue and a reduction in business rates. They have made attempts at compromise before with SISU and seem them thrown back in their faces to the extent that when it had been understood by ACL after meetings with SISU that an arrangement had been agreed which would finally allow all concerned to put this matter behind them, only for them to find that SISU tried to move the goalposts again after the meetings had completed:
Instead of confirming its written acceptance, CCFC then proposed an alternative Heads of Terms, which bore no relation to that agreed. It demanded the waiver by ACL of all rent arrears claims pre-dating 1 January 2013. It demanded also the withdrawal of the statutory demand for the payment of rent arrears issued by ACL against CCFC on 5 December 2012. It was accompanied by an emailed statement from Tim Fisher declaring that CCFC has `no option but to build a new venue’ and that CCFC’s proposals were predicated on playing at the Ricoh Arena for a ‘run-off period of three years.’
Against such a background, we might have expected the team’s torpor on the pitch to have continued following their relegation from the Championship at the end of last season. On the pitch, however, the club has been reasonably successful after a slow start, and it now sits in ninth place in the League One table. This is all in spite of having now had three managers this season – Andy Thorn, who was replaced at the start of this season, Mark Robins, who perhaps unsurprisingly left this chaos behind on Valentines Day to join Huddersfield Town, and Steven Pressley, who left the Scottish club Falkirk four days ago to take over at Coventry instead. With four points from his first matches in charge of the club, Pressley has made a reasonable start to his time at the club. Outbursts like Fisher’s, however, may well leave the new manager wondering what he has let himself in for by coming to this club at this particular time.
If the club does enter into administration, though, any remaining hopes of getting promoted back into the Championship at the end of the season will be gone. A ten point deduction would – at the time of writing – see the club drop to fourteenth place in the league table, a surely insurmountable sixteen points from the play-off places in the division. This, however, pales in comparison with the threats now being made by Tim Fisher. Are these threats aimed at ACL in as part of one final attempt to try and force the arm of the stadium owners to accept further reductions in the rent, or are they aimed at focusing supporters against a common enemy in the form of ACL and deflecting attention away from themselves over a mess which, it seems from this distance, is largely of their own making? Or, perhaps, both? Coventry City supporters, who by now must be tired with this apparently perpetual gamesmanship, must be heartily sick of this situation by now. Liquidation would, of course, be a different matter altogether, and in an increasingly high-stake game of bluff and double-bluff it is starting to seem impossible to see a happy resolution to problem which now seems to be rapidly spiraling out of all control.
 



So this is what the Football Gods have in store. Points reallocated at the end of the season to drop us into third.

Should have seen it coming.
 
A team in the u15s league withdrew from the league two weeks ago. The Junior League rules state that if a team have already played 75% of the fixtures, the teams that have yet to play a fixture against the team that have withdrawn, will get 3 points
 
A team in the u15s league withdrew from the league two weeks ago. The Junior League rules state that if a team have already played 75% of the fixtures, the teams that have yet to play a fixture against the team that have withdrawn, will get 3 points

Let's hope that happens after they (hopefully) beat brentford then!
 
Assuming all points are void...

Doncaster - lose no points
Sheff Utd - lose 1 point
Brentford - lose 3 points
Swindon - lose 4 points
Tranmere - lose 3 points
Yeovil - lose 4 points
Bournemouth - lose no points
Walsall - lose no points

1 Doncaster 36 68
2 Sheff Utd 34 64
3 Brentford 36 61
4 Bournemouth 36 61
5 Tranmere 36 60
6 Swindon 35 59
7 Yeovil 35 59
8 Walsall 37 59

So Donny, us and Bournemouth & Walsall the winners, the rest the losers...looks like we want them to go if at all possible...depending on the rules of course...
 
In all previous instances of this the FL have expunged all a clubs results from that season. So any points accrued, goals scored in all that clubs games are removed.

Not sure on the implications for all clubs concerned from a points and goal difference point of view.
 
In all previous instances of this the FL have expunged all a clubs results from that season. So any points accrued, goals scored in all that clubs games are removed.

Not sure on the implications for all clubs concerned from a points and goal difference point of view.

See my post just above yours...albeit without the GD impact
 
Coventry have been sailing close to the wind for the last 4 years and haven't gone yet. Wasn't there a similar thread in the relegation season where we were all gagging for them to go into admin and save us from the drop? (Although at the end it wouldn't have made any difference!).
 
Whats the situation with Portsmouth?

Last I heard they were in a similar scenario or has someone bought them out now?
 
Did we not have this very conversation two seasons ago?

Do clubs really go pop these days? They seem to just go into admin and come out the other side stronger
 
Whats the situation with Portsmouth?

Last I heard they were in a similar scenario or has someone bought them out now?

Portsmouth go to court on April 10 or 11 to get a valuation on Fratton Park.

From all the mutterings from their Trust, if they get a valuation in the £2M or so ballpark, then they say they are ready to proceed with purchase. Chanrai "loses" a lot of money because the £12M charge on the ground doesn't work. I think this will all probably go through unless Chanrai somehow launches a legal challenge.

The points deducted effect is:
Tranmere lose 1 point (1 game)
Yeovil lose 3 points (but 2 games already played)
Us, Donny and Brentford lose 3 points (all 1 game)
Swindon lose 6 points (played both games)

So, I don't think SUFC are too adversely affected.

God knows what the combined effect is if both Pompey and Cov go !

I think all in all it would be better if both clubs limped through to the end of the season.

If Pompey survive (they will go down with 10 points deducted) there may be a celebratory atmosphere for their last home game which we need to be prepared for.
 
In all previous instances of this the FL have expunged all a clubs results from that season. So any points accrued, goals scored in all that clubs games are removed.

Yep... I'm sure this was what was mentioned with regards to Portsmouth but I can't find where I read it.
 



The Coventry farce has been debated in Parliament today. I have to say I think SISU are a bunch of arrogant bullies. They haven't paid a penny in rent for over a year and refuse to reduce Coventry's massive playing budget (am I right in assuming they have some dispensation on SCMP wages as a relegated Championship club ?)

http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/2013/03/13/92746-32979814/?
 
the only time its happened during a season was Accrington Stanley , where their record was expunged, which is a legal precednt thats not been changed or challenged so would be the course of action taken.
The benefactors of coventry going would of course be bury hartlepool or oldham as pompey are 8 adrift with 8 left and a 10 point deduction hanging over them
 
All we have to do is get far enough away into the auto slots so that this isn't even a point of discussion for us. Let them below squabble about it.

Isn't that what most of the PL did over the West Ham saga? It doesn't affect us so fook em
 
the only time its happened during a season was Accrington Stanley , where their record was expunged, which is a legal precednt thats not been changed or challenged so would be the course of action taken.
The benefactors of coventry going would of course be bury hartlepool or oldham as pompey are 8 adrift with 8 left and a 10 point deduction hanging over them

It also happened when Wigan Borough left the league in 1931 and, more relevantly, when Aldershot went out of business in 1992. There is clear precedent - all their games would be removed from the table.

It won't happen to either club, in my view. Both will limp on.
 
just checked if both pompey and coventry results get expunged

sufc lose 4 points
donny 3
brentford 6
swindon 10
yeovil 7
tranmere 4 and
bournemouth 2
if its just pompey
us donny brentford and yeovil will lose 3 tranmere 1 bournemouth 2 and swindon 6

either way hits swindon hardest
 
It also happened when Wigan Borough left the league in 1931 and, more relevantly, when Aldershot went out of business in 1992. There is clear precedent - all their games would be removed from the table.

It won't happen to either club, in my view. Both will limp on.

pompey could be liquidated by the courts on Thusday 13 million due to HMRC , only this time theres only a bucket of 50 p and £1 coins to hand

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...dation-if-they-lose-High-Court-tax-fight.html
 
it starts again on thursday been put off 5 times

Completely different case BTL.

This one is about the valuation of Fratton Park. Chainrai's company (Portpin) says it's worth £12m; the Pompey Supporters' Trust says it's worth £3m. The administrators (ol' Birchy) have applied to the High Court to have Portpin's charge over the ground removed - the High Court, in effect, has the power to make a judgement on that which will impact on the future of the club.

The honourable end to this saga would be for Pompey to be sold to the Supporters' Trust (ie people who have the club's interest at heart) but for them to be relegated at the end of the season. Whether that happens though remains to be seen.

Details here, if you're interested: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21587947
 
honour doesnt exist in football now , the claim its only worth 3 mill is very weak, itd only be worth that if it becomes derelict
the HMRC are still in dispute over payments too
 
old pals acts , masons , same reason wendies got the nod for the world cup
and were allowed to host an fa cup semi without a safety certificate
hopefully some truths will out in the up coming inquiry

wendies debts not wiped out just hidden in a file in Milans Monaco account in his cats name
 



honour doesnt exist in football now , the claim its only worth 3 mill is very weak, itd only be worth that if it becomes derelict
the HMRC are still in dispute over payments too
Worth nothing as a football ground whether it's pristine or derelict.

Any valuation will have to be based on the potential for alternative use and the cost of demolition and development for alternative use.

It's in a fairly well populated residential area and housing would probably be the most cost effective and valuable alternative use.

Flip side is that there is very little being built anywhere at the moment so now is not the ideal time for selling brown field development sites.

The state of the economy may well save the supporters trust.

The court will decide.
 

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