[Confirmed] Blackman to Reading - Undisclosed fee

[Revolution]

I think people need to realise that when you sell a player to a club in a higher division than we are playing in, the chances are that the replacement will not be as good as them unless you find a hidden gem from somewhere.

Well, duh. That's why many are not in favour of the sale, and of course selling good players and replacing them with worse ones is why we are in this mess in the first place.

 

[DazBlade88]

Well, duh. That's why many are not in favour of the sale, and of course selling good players and replacing them with worse ones is why we are in this mess in the first place.

But like I said, if we sell him and bring 4 players in we have more depth in midfield and if the Bradley Wright-Phillips rumours are true then we've brought somebody in who can score goals aswell.

I think people are jumping the gun in criticising the club. At least wait until the end of tomorrow when we've sold him and not brought anybody in like we usually do

 

[Fiery Blade]

Whilst I understand the need to 'cash in' on prized assetts surely the most prized 'assett' in May would be promotion to the Championship.
Sometimes what people fail to realise is that if Bournemouth, Donny, Tranmere, Stevenage or Swindon went up their gates would raise to around 10-12 k per game
For us it's totally different, to maintain our position of commanding much bigger crowds to support the club, the academy, the stadium we need promotion - to sell off your better players before the job is done is lunacy!
If we waited until the end of the season and then sold Blackman how much less would we get for him?
Answers Please!

 

[Silent Blade]

Well I could start with Mick Jones or Birchenhall, don't believe me then google it pal and you will find we sold them and we soon got relegated

My late Dad would agree with you about Mick Jones. He liked Birchenall as well but thought we got a good fee from Chelsea as my dad thought Birch wasnt near as good as Jones. Yes, we got relegated and the players we signed that season were Willie Carlin (good player but Rowley got rid of him quite quickly), Colin Addison (not bad), Paddy Buckley (didnt play many games for us) and TC (turned out to be a brilliant signing)

In 1973, the SUFC board offered a contract to TC (when Man U tried to sign him) with a promise to sign new players to strengthen the squad and TC agreed to sign. We signed Colin Franks (not bad), Terry Garbett (not good enough), Jim Brown (good) , Tony Field (good in a few games, average or below average in other games) and David Bradford (average). In 1974 we sold Geoff Salmons who was one of our best players to Stoke and I am sure TC was furious about the sale which meant the SUFC board broke their promise. It was a surprise we finished as high as 6th in 1975 but we got relegated in 1976.

In 1993 we sold Brian Deane and we got relegated in the following season

 

[Fiery Blade]

was abit gutted when i heard this... but if were gonna get in three players by selling him then i think that is pretty good business by DW (depending on who he signs)

If he buys the likes of Westlake, Williams and Porter he may as well give the money to charity - they would find a far better use for it!

 

[Revolution]

This club has become a laughing stock, thanks to some of its fans.

I'm glad I read back, or I would have missed this little gem.

 

[Patrick Suffaux]

But like I said, if we sell him and bring 4 players in we have more depth in midfield and if the Bradley Wright-Phillips rumours are true then we've brought somebody in who can score goals aswell.

I think people are jumping the gun in criticising the club. At least wait until the end of tomorrow when we've sold him and not brought anybody in like we usually do

You're definately a Blade Daz. That post started off positive and then ended with us having bought no replacements. Deep down you know what's coming

 

[Grecian2000]

I'm glad I read back, or I would have missed this little gem.

We're also responsible for inflation, the banking crisis, Lesley Ash's trout pout and all this global warming nonesense. Fucking bumclots.

 

[Revolution]

In 1993 we sold Brian Deane and we got relegated in the following season

In 1933 we sold Jimmy Dunne and we got relegated in the following season.

This club will never change.

 

[Grecian2000]

My late Dad would agree with you about Mick Jones. He liked Birchenall as well but thought we got a good fee from Chelsea as my dad thought Birch wasnt near as good as Jones. Yes, we got relegated and the players we signed that season were Willie Carlin (good player but Rowley got rid of him quite quickly), Colin Addison (not bad), Paddy Buckley (didnt play many games for us) and TC (turned out to be a brilliant signing)

In 1973, the SUFC board offered a contract to TC (when Man U tried to sign him) with a promise to sign new players to strengthen the squad and TC agreed to sign. We signed Colin Franks (not bad), Terry Garbett (not good enough), Jim Brown (good) , Tony Field (good in a few games, average or below average in other games) and David Bradford (average). In 1974 we sold Geoff Salmons who was one of our best players to Stoke and I am sure TC was furious about the sale which meant the SUFC board broke their promise. It was a surprise we finished as high as 6th in 1975 but we got relegated in 1976.

In 1993 we sold Brian Deane and we got relegated in the following season

Thanks for that Silent. Happy with that post, EXCEPT:

You rate both Colin Addison and Colin Franks as "not bad", this would suggest they were both of a similar standard.
My memories of the pair were Addo was a quality player, a bit of class, an eye for goal but slowed down by injury. Franks, however, was nothing more than a big bloke, with a bit of pace, and equally inept when played CB or CF. Not in the same league at all.

There is an interesting story about Willie Carlin in (an otherwise dull as shit) book about Clough/Taylor written by their long time chief scout. He makes out Rowley thought he'd pulled the wool over BC/PT by selling WC to them as he was a trouble maker who had been "sent off three times". I was staggered by this claim as I don't remember him ever being sent off for us. You had to do something dreadful to get sent off in proper football days.

 

[super_pig]

you're all missing the point..
it's not the selling of players.. this selling club thing is a load of bollocks purported by more solvent outfits who are currently buying more than they are selling, so wind your necks in
the real trick here and the one that we have NEVER mastered is replacing the players we sell. what happens is we sell some promising talent for what looks like 'good business' and then spend the next ten years attempting to replace them by various journeymen pro's past their sell by date who in the end cost more than the original player fetched.. we still haven't replaced a certain Micheal Brown.. ten years later.. but it was good business.. yeah right.. we've had harper, howard, legeirtwood, britton, doyle and god knows how many others in the mean time and we had to pay monty off with a figure close to Greeces' national debt (is this how we got to this 65 percent?)
Mic is right. the ONLY time we didn't sell anyone was in Div. 4 .. how noone came in for Edwards i don't know . it was a miracle.

what i want to know is this.. if the squad is mainly comprised of ex academy players on (presumably) ex academy wages and we get 20k per match and have a marketing clout teams like Yeovil can only dream about. who is this money going to?? is doyle really on that much??

 

[Wards]

Wright-Phillips doesn't really inspire me that much. Again it's a player that will be ok for this division but can't cut it in the Champ with little resale value. Guess him and Robson would be ok on short term deals but would be dissappointed if it were any longer.

 

[Patrick Suffaux]

BWP scores goals. If it gets us out of this league I don't care whether he's good enough for the next one we can worry about it when we get there. There have been quite a few games this season where we've created very little and have needed a poacher who can take a half chance. We had Miller for that before his injury. BWP would be an ideal replacement.

 

[borbokis]

Is everyone missing the fact murphy has just come in? he is blackmans replacement. I think SUFC have known about this for longer than the last few days.

I was very surprised when we signed murphy especially as there seems to be some sort of fee involved, that must have come from somewhere. I'm not sure we'll bring anyone else in, looking like another season in in the third tier as south yorkshires lowest placed club now that Wed and Barnsley have started to get their usual lucky runs and i'm sure donny will be in the top 2 come the end of the season.

unless we can get on a decent run of results that is.

 

[metalblade]

Is everyone missing the fact murphy has just come in? he is blackmans replacement. I think SUFC have known about this for longer than the last few days.

I was very surprised when we signed murphy especially as there seems to be some sort of fee involved, that must have come from somewhere. I'm not sure we'll bring anyone else in, looking like another season in in the third tier as south yorkshires lowest placed club now that Wed and Barnsley have started to get their usual lucky runs and i'm sure donny will be in the top 2 come the end of the season.

unless we can get on a decent run of results that is.

That thought had crossed my mind.

 

[Greenwich Blade]

I think I'm going to stop checking on here and just turn up Friday night and see who's in the starting XI.

My biggest worry if we sell him is, who will take our corners?

 

[Highbury_Blade]

So Blackmans's replacement is already at the club?

That's a new one, i've not heard that line before...

 

[mattbianco1]

Unfortunately we sold our best players when in the top division, we sold our best players in the Championship. we are still selling them in league one the only time we didn't sell our best players was when we hit Division 4 but maybe you weren't born then but trust me we have always took the quick buck. Really to suggest when we are down to paying wages at 65% of turnover that if we don't sell Blackman that it might be the death of Sheffield United is ridiculous ................... no it's utter utter bollocks.
If Southend can say their top scorer is NOT for sale why can't we ??? maybe we just don't have the will or fight in us to hang on to our better players.

If a Championship club bid for that Southend guy, he'll leave.

If they reject it, he'll hand in a request. The best Southend can hope for is that he stays with them until the summer and then leaves anyway.

 

[mattbianco1]

how did huddersfield keep jordan rhodes for the last 2 seasons then? werent they a league 1 club? with a lot less fans than us? im pretty sure they could have sold him for a lot more than we would get for blackman too. but they resisted, to try to finally get out of this poxy league. christ anybody would think weve turned into alfreton the way people talk!

Can you tell me that they rejected bids for him? Genuine question as I really don't know the answer.

Why is it then that if they rejected all the bids for him that they then sold him to a team in the same division?

If Blackman was leaving to go to Tranmere or MK Dons etc. I'd be really fooked off. The fact that the two reported clubs are Play Offs in Championship and outside relegation zone in Premiership means we can't hold him back. Same with Slew, same with Lowton, same with Jags & Kyle(s).

 

[mattbianco1]

The main problem with United is that we seem to get short changed a lot of the time.

Wilfred Zaha for example. £15m??? If he was at the blades we'd get £3m-£5m tops, I don't know why that is

 

[Sothall_Blade]

The fact that the two reported clubs are Play Offs in Championship and outside relegation zone in Premiership means we can't hold him back. Same with Slew, same with Lowton, same with Jags & Kyle(s).

Of course we can, it's a five minute conversation between Wilson and Blackman.

DW:- "Hi Nick. Just letting you know. We've had interest for you from some other clubs but we're not listening to any offers. You're a vital part of what we're trying to achieve here and we need you to stay and help us get promoted. If we don't get promoted things may be different and we'll talk again in the Summer. Ok?".

At which point, Blackman can either say "Yes boss, thanks for keeping me in the loop".

Or he can say, "Well in that case I demand to leave and if you don't let me leave I'm not going to try and if I don't try those other clubs will lose interest in me and if they lose interest in me I won't get my big move. Ah! Ok boss, we'll talk again in the Summer."

 

[SouthEssexBlade]

Of course we can, it's a five minute conversation between Wilson and Blackman.

DW:- "Hi Nick. Just letting you know. We've had interest for you from some other clubs but we're not listening to any offers. You're a vital part of what we're trying to achieve here and we need you to stay and help us get promoted. If we don't get promoted things may be different and we'll talk again in the Summer. Ok?".

At which point, Blackman can either say "Yes boss, thanks for keeping me in the loop".

Or he can say, "Well in that case I demand to leave and if you don't let me leave I'm not going to try and if I don't try those other clubs will lose interest in me and if they lose interest in me I won't get my big move. Ah! Ok boss, we'll talk again in the Summer."

If you think this is how it works you really are out of touch! Transfer interest = agent talking to club(s) and telling his client to say nothing to nobody without said agent being present.

 

[bartman]

The main problem with United is that we seem to get short changed a lot of the time.

Wilfred Zaha for example. £15m??? If he was at the blades we'd get £3m-£5m tops, I don't know why that is

Really ? with the exception (with hindsight) of Kyle Walker(althouth£4million for a kid with a hand full of games behind him when we were in the financial shit is good business)....who have we undersold in the last 10-15 years ?

The only debate for me is 'should we have sold them?' .

 

[Sothall_Blade]

If you think this is how it works you really are out of touch! Transfer interest = agent talking to club(s) and telling his client to say nothing to nobody without said agent being present.

Blackman and Blackman's agent can say what they want it doesn't change the fact he's under contract.
The only options open to him are to refuse to try for the rest of the season and watch the interest in him start to evaporate or to continue to do his best, score more goals and see how many clubs are bidding by the Summer.

 

[Sothall_Blade]

Really ? with the exception (with hindsight) of Kyle Walker(althouth£4million for a kid with a hand full of games behind him when we were in the financial shit is good business)....who have we undersold in the last 10-15 years ?

The only debate for me is 'should we have sold them?' .

In the last 30 years:- Walker, Lowton, Quinn, Sharp, Jagielka, Britton, Kenny, Kelly, Derry, Dellas, Mendonca, Beagrie, Marsden, Cockerill, Edwards

 

[MattBlade]

If he buys the likes of Westlake, Williams and Porter he may as well give the money to charity - they would find a far better use for it!

Well, with the players we're linked with (BWP, Robson, Duffy) i would be chuffed... or if we cant get BWP i would make a bid for that Madden from Yeovil who scored two passed us (and two last night) seems a descent striker.

 

[DazBlade88]

Blackman and Blackman's agent can say what they want it doesn't change the fact he's under contract.
The only options open to him are to refuse to try for the rest of the season and watch the interest in him start to evaporate or to continue to do his best, score more goals and see how many clubs are bidding by the Summer.

Ideally, this would work. Unfortunately, player power is everything these days and that's unlikely to change anytime soon.

And for the record - I thought we got a good amount of money for Lowton. Didn't Jags refuse to sign unless he had the relegation clause in his contract? Or am I making that up?

 

[bartman]

In the last 30 years:- Walker, Lowton, Quinn, Sharp, Jagielka, Britton, Kenny, Kelly, Derry, Dellas, Mendonca, Beagrie, Marsden, Cockerill, Edwards

I did say the last 10-15 years

I'll give you Kelly and we didn't have much of a choice with Jags or Kenny(or they wouldn't have signed the contracts) but the others weren't undersold were they...all of them we got what most thought was the right price:

Lowton- not good enough at premier and possibly championship level
Quinn- we had to get rid of the wage. We didn't have much choice and many thoght he was awful
Britton- no one knows what we got for him but we got him for nothing
Derry- £750k for a utilty player was more than we thought we would get. Warnock had to rebuild and need the cash
Marsden- journeyman footballer who we got cash for
Dellas- he decided he wanted to go back to Greece- we didn't have a choice
Mendonca- tried him twice,didn't work- only really performed at Charlton below the top tier
Beagrie- £250k plus a sell on if I recall for a was an excellant price in the era we sold him
Cockerill- again a big fee in the era we sold him
Edwards- no one ever paid big money for him- strange but maybe managers saw him as too much of a luxury player and wouldn't pay.

In contrast I give you Wayne Quinn,Curtis Woodhouse,Jacob Mellis,Jordan Slew,Paul Williams,Michael Tonge(i sure I will think of others given time) where you could argue we robbed the clubs who bought them

 

[metalblade]

1. "Everyone is a selling club. Man U sold Ronaldo"

2. "Never rated him"

3. "Can't keep them here if they want to go"

4. "all of his goals were penalties anyway".

5. "Some people would moan even if we signed Messi"

6. "Excellent bit of business by the club"

7. His agent blah blah

8. 2-3 or 4 players coming in

9. He hasn't gone yet !

10 Even if he goes we will still get promoted

Anymore excuses I think we have had these numerous times

 

[stannyblade]

If he buys the likes of Westlake, Williams and Porter he may as well give the money to charity - they would find a far better use for it!

Did we actually pay for them though?
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