Capacity

[Ndiayewillalwaysloveyou]

Highest home attendance

31,774 (vs. Liverpool, 28 September 2019)​

Plus how are you going to sell out EVERY single seat to be a sell out? Fans aren't going to sit alone most of the time. A bigger ground would fetch in bigger crowds.

Blademan18891889

Your also saying "we wouldn't get thousands more" why? Unless you're a grunter, you can't tell me that in S6 they have thousands more fans than us.

33k (in league 1) we sold against Hull in the 2014 FA Cup SF.

39k we sold against Burnley in the 2009 Play off final.

Yeah you talk bollocks.

 

[Ron_Justice]

That looks at a push, 35k

Look again. It stretches from John Street all the way to Cherry Street (using what's now the South Stand card park) with the pitch, a given size, sat in the center of the plot. Has 2 tiers on at least 2 sides maybe 3.

Silly conversation anyway, it suggests rotating the ground (complete rebuild) it's generated by AI and then photoshopped into place.

Shits N Giggles, relax.

 

[Sheffsteel]

Highest home attendance

31,774 (vs. Liverpool, 28 September 2019)​

Plus how are you going to sell out EVERY single seat to be a sell out? Fans aren't going to sit alone most of the time. A bigger ground would fetch in bigger crowds.

According to the BBC website, world football website, European statistics website and official Sheff United programmes for that season.
The highest home attendance that season was 32,024, which was the 3-3 draw in the night game against Man Utd.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50449170

https://www.worldfootball.net/report/premier-league-2019-2020-sheffield-united-manchester-united/

I personally tried to buy tickets for the Liverpool game that season and was refused whilst in the ticket office, told you need a certain amount of points.
My friend was a Rotherham fan and had no points, so couldn't go.
I mentioned it at the time we were turning down floaters and casual Blades.

Would be interesting to know if other clubs in the Premier League have such a strict system.
For Fulham and Man City, anybody can just rock up and buy tickets. My brother and cousin have both bought tickets for separate Champions League matches with ease.
At Leicester season tickets holders are able to buy extra tickets and don't need names or points, think we should do the same, 3 tickets per season ticket holder.
The other week I asked a Leeds fan about their ticketing system and he said theirs was also very strict, you can't just buy tickets, you need to be a member.

 

[Frankie as in Howard]

Makes me absolutely piss myself when people go on about making the ground bigger.
It's exactly the right size for when everyone wants to go, and that's including a few cheeky Liverpool or Man United fans in the home end when we play them.
If we can't sell 32,000 for an FA Cup semi final then we don't need more than 32,000 capacity for other games.

You not making no sense here, we just averaged 29,000 in championship with a good few half empty away ends, in premier the away end will always sell out, the most ideal will be the post removal and top extension, with 5,000 rail seats in new section, then all them at back can have 5,000 to choose from.

 

[Blademan18891889]

Highest home attendance

31,774 (vs. Liverpool, 28 September 2019)​

Plus how are you going to sell out EVERY single seat to be a sell out? Fans aren't going to sit alone most of the time. A bigger ground would fetch in bigger crowds.

 

[Blademan18891889]

Blademan18891889

Your also saying "we wouldn't get thousands more" why? Unless you're a grunter, you can't tell me that in S6 they have thousands more fans than us.

33k (in league 1) we sold against Hull in the 2014 FA Cup SF.

39k we sold against Burnley in the 2009 Play off final.

Yeah you talk bollocks.

So because we took 2 large followings to wembley means we'd get thousands more every week if we had a bigger stadium. Why not mention our other 2 followings to wembley both below 30k. Many many well less supported clubs than us take a lot more than us to wembley, What a terrible comparison, I'm basing it on our first season in the top division in 13 years , we were chasing a European spot, as you can see on the list, plenty of seats at a lot of games, that's what I'm basing it on that I don't think we'd get more in a bigger stadium.

 

[nickwr37]

You not making no sense here, we just averaged 29,000 in championship with a good few half empty away ends, in premier the away end will always sell out, the most ideal will be the post removal and top extension, with 5,000 rail seats in new section, then all them at back can have 5,000 to choose from.

Bournemouth at BDTBL on a mid Jan Monday night won't sell out the away end but appreciate your other points. That fixture would need us flying in the table and be selected for a Monday night, or Bournemouth flying ....

 

[Ndiayewillalwaysloveyou]

So because we took 2 large followings to wembley means we'd get thousands more every week if we had a bigger stadium. Why not mention our other 2 followings to wembley both below 30k. Many many well less supported clubs than us take a lot more than us to wembley, What a terrible comparison, I'm basing it on our first season in the top division in 13 years , we were chasing a European spot, as you can see on the list, plenty of seats at a lot of games, that's what I'm basing it on that I don't think we'd get more in a bigger stadium.

Plenty of seats left? We can only have around 32k and the ones where we got 30k (Watford, Bournemouth for example) the away following wouldn't have been the full 2.7k allocated.

Yeah the wembley comparison is probably shit but you said we don't have more than the 29k home fans we currently can get. (We clearly do)

(My bad on the Liverpool crowd, shit website)

 

[Blademan18891889]

Plenty of seats left? We can only have around 32k and the ones where we got 30k (Watford, Bournemouth for example) the away following wouldn't have been the full 2.7k allocated.

Yeah the wembley comparison is probably shit but you said we don't have more than the 29k home fans we currently can get. (We clearly do)

(My bad on the Liverpool crowd, shit website)

There was over 1k seats available in the home end in 8 of those games. I know we could get more for the odd game but as a whole I personally don't think we would ever sustain any more, if we stay up for 5, 6, 7 years, do you think our crowds would stay over 30k or slightly drop off when the initial premier league excitement drops off and we're fighting relegation every year? Maybe I'm just being unambitious with how I'm thinking but it's just my opinion of it.

 

[YES Blade]

Just seen a video of Upton Park’s last match on Twitter today which got me thinking I’d be very happy if we just got rid of the posts on the kop and maybe added some cover/concourse area at the back. Bramall lane is so historical and unique, I’d hate to have a ground that is too big for us, love it when it’s packed out and rocking. If we had years of that consistently then extending the kop or south stand would be ideal but for now I don’t think much needs doing IMO. Imagine moving from Bramall Lane to a fucking bowl stadium like West Ham, must be heartbreaking for them tbf.

West Ham’s average attendances since leaving Upton Park doesn’t suggest that there is any heartbreak

 

[Ndiayewillalwaysloveyou]

There was over 1k seats available in the home end in 8 of those games. I know we could get more for the odd game but as a whole I personally don't think we would ever sustain any more, if we stay up for 5, 6, 7 years, do you think our crowds would stay over 30k or slightly drop off when the initial premier league excitement drops off and we're fighting relegation every year? Maybe I'm just being unambitious with how I'm thinking but it's just my opinion of it.

Sometimes it's not exactly easy getting a ticket at Lane with shite and restricted views, needing points/membership, not anyone can just get a ticket anymore.

22k ST holders which leaves 7k free for everyone else. A couple of examples which supports the bigger capacity needed..

• Some fans may want a one off ST
• Younger generation growing
• Fans who can only afford odd match
• Global fans from around the world
• United improving in the last 20 years

 

[RWE]

West Ham’s average attendances since leaving Upton Park doesn’t suggest that there is any heartbreak

I’m pretty sure you could ask any West Ham fan which ground they prefer and 99% would rather have Upton Park, plus attendances doesn’t suggest that they like it either... Would you rather have Bramall Lane or a 60k bowl stadium?

 

[YES Blade]

I’m pretty sure you could ask any West Ham fan which ground they prefer and 99% would rather have Upton Park, plus attendances doesn’t suggest that they like it either... Would you rather have Bramall Lane or a 60k bowl stadium?

I want the club to progress, if that means moving to a new stadium then I’m open to it.

 

[RWE]

I want the club to progress, if that means moving to a new stadium then I’m open to it.

Not for me but respect your opinion, couldn’t think of anything worse personally.

 

[vas borbokis]

There was over 1k seats available in the home end in 8 of those games. I know we could get more for the odd game but as a whole I personally don't think we would ever sustain any more, if we stay up for 5, 6, 7 years, do you think our crowds would stay over 30k or slightly drop off when the initial premier league excitement drops off and we're fighting relegation every year? Maybe I'm just being unambitious with how I'm thinking but it's just my opinion of it.

This is nonsense. It's far too hard to get a ticket near anyone you know if you aren't a Season Ticket holder. We are putting off new and casual fans. Obviously.

 

[YES Blade]

Not for me but respect your opinion, couldn’t think of anything worse personally.

Ideally we’d rebuild the Lane to become one of the best stadiums in the country, but unfortunately I just can’t see it ever happening.

I’ll be amazed if anything other than general maintenance is completed in the next 10 years, which will ultimately lead to a move being at least discussed.

 

[Sheffsteel]

I want the club to progress, if that means moving to a new stadium then I’m open to it.

It won’t be popular but the most cost effective, sensible option is to ground share (sharing the cost) with Sheff Wed.

Build a 50K state of the art stadium with 30K in the bottom tier and 20K in the upper tier. Somewhere where there’s tram links and plenty of parking and road access. For example where the Sheffield Airport used to be and have plenty of bars selling cheap ish beer before the match.

Obviously wouldn’t want it to happen but makes business sense as SWFC need to move away from Hillsboro too.

Would be a bitter pill but if the new ground was one of the best in the country with the council coming on board to build infrastructure could be impressive.

 

[Stevo71]

It won’t be popular but the most cost effective, sensible option is to ground share (sharing the cost) with Sheff Wed.

Build a 50K state of the art stadium with 30K in the bottom tier and 20K in the upper tier. Somewhere where there’s tram links and plenty of parking and road access. For example where the Sheffield Airport used to be and have plenty of bars selling cheap ish beer before the match.

Obviously wouldn’t want it to happen but makes business sense as SWFC need to move away from Hillsboro too.

Would be a bitter pill but if the new ground was one of the best in the country with the council coming on board to build infrastructure could be impressive.

I'd rather sh!t in my hands & clap than groundshare with that lot ....... ewwŵ the thought of it

 

[S64 Blade]

There was over 1k seats available in the home end in 8 of those games. I know we could get more for the odd game but as a whole I personally don't think we would ever sustain any more, if we stay up for 5, 6, 7 years, do you think our crowds would stay over 30k or slightly drop off when the initial premier league excitement drops off and we're fighting relegation every year? Maybe I'm just being unambitious with how I'm thinking but it's just my opinion of it.

1k seats available. But how many restricted views? How many of those are closed off for segregation? How many single seats?

Won’t have been many at all that didn’t fall into these brackets.

Add on top the restrictions of buying a ticket in the first place for the casual/one off/new fan. Plus, the often bizzare way we sell tickets where new seats suddenly become available less than 24 hours before.

 

[Devils bump]

Merit awarded for most excuses for poor turnout in one sentence.

And yet Man Citeh didn't sell out for a game they were nailed on to win.
Muppet.

 

[HD8 Blades]

It won’t be popular but the most cost effective, sensible option is to ground share (sharing the cost) with Sheff Wed.

Build a 50K state of the art stadium with 30K in the bottom tier and 20K in the upper tier. Somewhere where there’s tram links and plenty of parking and road access. For example where the Sheffield Airport used to be and have plenty of bars selling cheap ish beer before the match.

Obviously wouldn’t want it to happen but makes business sense as SWFC need to move away from Hillsboro too.

Would be a bitter pill but if the new ground was one of the best in the country with the council coming on board to build infrastructure could be impressive.

I’ve just been sick in my own mouth

 

[alcoblade]

There was over 1k seats available in the home end in 8 of those games. I know we could get more for the odd game but as a whole I personally don't think we would ever sustain any more, if we stay up for 5, 6, 7 years, do you think our crowds would stay over 30k or slightly drop off when the initial premier league excitement drops off and we're fighting relegation every year? Maybe I'm just being unambitious with how I'm thinking but it's just my opinion of it.

I think you're underestimating the effect of being in the premier league (and to a lesser extent just being higher than the pigs) on growing our support in the region. Yes, the newness wears off, but all the local kids in South Yorkshire start following you.

Currently it's very difficult for a parents to start taking them to games. Bringing friends, in general, is difficult when the ground is near capacity.

 

[Booker4]

Ideally we’d rebuild the Lane to become one of the best stadiums in the country, but unfortunately I just can’t see it ever happening.

I’ll be amazed if anything other than general maintenance is completed in the next 10 years, which will ultimately lead to a move being at least discussed.

They'll never be a need top leave BL in my view. Why? Because there's plenty of room at the Kop and South stand end to expand the stadium to 40,000 plus and that will be plenty for us I'm sure! I think the kop will eventually be extended or possibly re-built but this won't happen unless we get new ownership and/or become a PL regular. But I can't see why we'd ever want to leave and the location is brilliant in terms of transport links both in the city and from outside the city.

 

[CarlMcBlade]

I’m pretty sure you could ask any West Ham fan which ground they prefer and 99% would rather have Upton Park, plus attendances doesn’t suggest that they like it either... Would you rather have Bramall Lane or a 60k bowl stadium?

25k West Ham fans will tell you a different story.

 

[Ndiayewillalwaysloveyou]

They'll never be a need top leave BL in my view. Why? Because there's plenty of room at the Kop and South stand end to expand the stadium to 40,000 plus and that will be plenty for us I'm sure! I think the kop will eventually be extended or possibly re-built but this won't happen unless we get new ownership and/or become a PL regular. But I can't see why we'd ever want to leave and the location is brilliant in terms of transport links both in the city and from outside the city.

100%. Plus if your ever going to rebuild the kop you may aswell add a few extra seats on

 

[Sheffsteel]

100%. Plus if your ever going to rebuild the kop you may aswell add a few extra seats on

There are 2 options regards the Kop

Option 1:
Extend it using the cheaper bolt on design with 3,215 seats behind the current seats increasing capacity from 10,221 to 13,436
Underneath these seats would be a large fully enclosed concourse area with plenty of modern bars, kiosks and toilets.
The building project would take 1 season + 2 Summers to complete.
During building work behind the Kop almost all the Kop would remain open, meaning no loss of match day revenue and no inconvenience to season ticket holders.
Also the roof would be replaced in the Summer when all the pillars are removed, meaning no more restricted views.

Option 2:
Knock the Kop down, remove all the earth and rebuild it from scratch.
Let's imagine we extend it making it much bigger, the size of the 13,436 capacity.
However the complaint from fans is the leg room is too cramped, so would need to make seating areas 20% bigger.
Obviously if seats take up 20% more area, the capacity would be reduced by 20%.
So 13,438 less 20% = 10,750.

So basically a Kop rebuild with the desired leg room would see capacity increase from 10,221 to 10,750= 529 extra seats.
I've heard people say the Kop needs to be a steeper rake, so unless we're building it higher than the South stand.
A steeper rake means less rows can be installed, meaning a reduced capacity, the only way around it is a 2 tier or 3 tier design.

The building project would take 2 seats = 3 Summers to complete
The Kop would be completely closed for 2 seasons, meaning a massive loss in revenue, increasing building costs
and massive inconvenience to fans, as season tickets holders may no longer be able to attend.

Also if you provide the best facilities in the Kop then surely the prices will increase in that stand to match the South stand.
I think it's essential we keep a cheaper option for fans with less money, so value for money and cost effectiveness is paramount regards the Kop.

 

[South Sea Blade]

There are 2 options regards the Kop

Option 1:
Extend it using the cheaper bolt on design with 3,215 seats behind the current seats increasing capacity from 10,221 to 13,436
Underneath these seats would be a large fully enclosed concourse area with plenty of modern bars, kiosks and toilets.
The building project would take 1 season + 2 Summers to complete.
During building work behind the Kop almost all the Kop would remain open, meaning no loss of match day revenue and no inconvenience to season ticket holders.
Also the roof would be replaced in the Summer when all the pillars are removed, meaning no more restricted views.

Option 2:
Knock the Kop down, remove all the earth and rebuild it from scratch.
Let's imagine we extend it making it much bigger, the size of the 13,436 capacity.
However the complaint from fans is the leg room is too cramped, so would need to make seating areas 20% bigger.
Obviously if seats take up 20% more area, the capacity would be reduced by 20%.
So 13,438 less 20% = 10,750.

So basically a Kop rebuild with the desired leg room would see capacity increase from 10,221 to 10,750= 529 extra seats.
I've heard people say the Kop needs to be a steeper rake, so unless we're building it higher than the South stand.
A steeper rake means less rows can be installed, meaning a reduced capacity, the only way around it is a 2 tier or 3 tier design.

The building project would take 2 seats = 3 Summers to complete
The Kop would be completely closed for 2 seasons, meaning a massive loss in revenue, increasing building costs
and massive inconvenience to fans, as season tickets holders may no longer be able to attend.

Also if you provide the best facilities in the Kop then surely the prices will increase in that stand to match the South stand.
I think it's essential we keep a cheaper option for fans with less money, so value for money and cost effectiveness is paramount regards the Kop.

An excellent post. The best solution is to expand the South Stand first. This would provide additional corporate income and enough extra seats to satisfy the current season ticket levels should we ever be in a position to demolish the kop and build something more suitable for the 21st century.

 

[ancientblade]

ideally the kop should be flattened and rebuilt with a concourse behind but think the more realistic plan would be extend it and put another 3k seats in 35k capacity would be ok for us will be interesting next season in the premier league to see if the club changes its ticketing policy and allows new fans to buy tickets when the big prem teams are here

 

[Keef Chedwyn]

And yet Man Citeh didn't sell out for a game they were nailed on to win.
Muppet.

Wrong but thanks for the effort.

 

[Wapping Blade]

There are 2 options regards the Kop

Option 1:
Extend it using the cheaper bolt on design with 3,215 seats behind the current seats increasing capacity from 10,221 to 13,436
Underneath these seats would be a large fully enclosed concourse area with plenty of modern bars, kiosks and toilets.
The building project would take 1 season + 2 Summers to complete.
During building work behind the Kop almost all the Kop would remain open, meaning no loss of match day revenue and no inconvenience to season ticket holders.
Also the roof would be replaced in the Summer when all the pillars are removed, meaning no more restricted views.

Option 2:
Knock the Kop down, remove all the earth and rebuild it from scratch.
Let's imagine we extend it making it much bigger, the size of the 13,436 capacity.
However the complaint from fans is the leg room is too cramped, so would need to make seating areas 20% bigger.
Obviously if seats take up 20% more area, the capacity would be reduced by 20%.
So 13,438 less 20% = 10,750.

So basically a Kop rebuild with the desired leg room would see capacity increase from 10,221 to 10,750= 529 extra seats.
I've heard people say the Kop needs to be a steeper rake, so unless we're building it higher than the South stand.
A steeper rake means less rows can be installed, meaning a reduced capacity, the only way around it is a 2 tier or 3 tier design.

The building project would take 2 seats = 3 Summers to complete
The Kop would be completely closed for 2 seasons, meaning a massive loss in revenue, increasing building costs
and massive inconvenience to fans, as season tickets holders may no longer be able to attend.

Also if you provide the best facilities in the Kop then surely the prices will increase in that stand to match the South stand.
I think it's essential we keep a cheaper option for fans with less money, so value for money and cost effectiveness is paramount regards the Kop.

Option 1 is the obvious, short-term thing to do, short of someone giving us bazillions.