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I'm not disappointed with this. He can offer a lot to the team and I would imagine he has taken a drop in wages to stay with us.
 



Ballinpigpubs13 said:
Does this new role trigger a clause that means he can play?
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Looks that way, The Stir are reporting that he'll be in the squad for Satdi. In two minds about this, no idea about his coaching ability amd we're definitely lacking experience up front but does DW see him starting ?

I keep going back to another point as well, why did we re-sign Porter ?
 
And more to the point, how does his becoming a coach change the financial constraints of his playing? Is the new contract now a lower wage then?
 
Looks like it and probably for a few years so he has some wage certainty for the future

Good move - he'll be great for the youngsters to learn from
 
Good news, we can't allow all the experience to leave. Sounds like common sense has prevailed again, twice in a few days. Maybe McCabe is finally seeing some sense.
 
Houso said:
And more to the point, how does his becoming a coach change the financial constraints of his playing? Is the new contract now a lower wage then?
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It will have to be a change of contract as he has new responsibilities and therefore wages can be changed. It would seem that they have got together and come up with a solution that is best for all parties.
 
Good decision. We need him in the squad. Not neccessarily the staring XI.

Just Monty the passing coach to sign up now.

And Quinn can be a Leprechaun coach
 
I'll be surprised if our outlay on Cresswell has been reduced by this role change. He'll probably be earning less this season, but I assume the new contract means he'll stay at the club for at least another season?

He's always been known for being fit and a good trainer, so hopefully he'll do a good job as a coach, demanding similar standards from the youngsters at the club.
 
I think the wage cap only applies to playing staff, which means that United could argue that x% of Cresswell's salary no longer applies.

I'd also imagine that this offer applies to this season with the option to extend - although any extension should be non-playing.

Aside from that, I agree with Bergen: while it's been obvious for a while that Cresswell's legs have gone he's still a model pro and a football man, so this should be a good move.

Now, on to Monty...
 
Jim Chimmerney said:
Looks that way, The Stir are reporting that he'll be in the squad for Satdi. In two minds about this, no idea about his coaching ability amd we're definitely lacking experience up front but does DW see him starting ?

I keep going back to another point as well, why did we re-sign Porter ?
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Yeah we did i am sure, however i think he is injured. As for the cressy thing all players need to start somewhere when it comes to coach and i think it was the only way we could drop him wages, i guess we will help him get coaching badges in return.
 
Cressy will be good from the bench if in some games we are struggling for height he can be drafted in.
Good move this.Well done blades.
 



This presumably means that one of the first XI is on the way out of the door. Until we see who it is, I reserve judgment on whether it's a good move.
 
Although I, like many, do not know the full ins and outs of behind the deal to keep Cresswell on as coach I think he deserves massive praise.

Whatever your thoughts on his playing ability isn’t this the kind of act from footballers many have been calling for?

He could have sat on his rear picking up a hefty weekly wage, or gone on to pastures new with a decent signing on fee with a subsidized wages.

Instead, he and the club have engineered a move that obviously suits both parties, but most of all it shows that he wants to be part of this club.

Personally – I feel we have missed his presence in attack, I think an old head and a bit of calmness up top is what we’re missing.
 
Cresswell, as we all know, is not the most technically gifted of players. This is my view makes for a better coach because you have to try harder at the game and understanding more. Look at some of the top coaches in England at present - not exactly world beaters in their playing days: Fergie, Wenger, Rogers, Martinez, Moyes to name just a few. Compare this to the excellent players of their day trying it out in management: Bruce, Keane, Barnes, Robson, Shearer, Ince....hell, even Gazza tried his hand in this one.
Of course there are exceptions to this but the point stands.
This is a very good move by the club, Cressy will instil in the younger players that you have to work exceptionally hard to get to the top, how to get yourself into good positions etc. It will rub off on the likes of Blackman, Cofie, Miller, Whitehouse etc I'm sure.
I think our coaching staff have a good mix with Wilson and Pembo ensuring the practice of good football and the passion and determination of Morgs and Cressy.
Cressy to get the winner on Saturday anyone?

"I keep going back to another point as well, why did we re-sign Porter ?"
An absolute shocking decision Jim. I'd put 5 strikers at the club ahead of him at the moment - Cofie, Blackman, Miller, Cressy and Ironside.
 
Just a bit of speculating, take the figures with a pinch of salt:


If no deal had been renegotiated Cresswell's wage the next few seasons may have been like this:

2012/13: 12k - Final year at United (£624,000)​
2013/14: 2k - One year deal at new L1 club (£104,000)​
2014/15: 1k - One year deal as player/coach at new L2 club (£52,000)​

If we accept that the above is realistic, Cressy could expect to earn £780,000 over the next three seasons. Let's say that his agent used those figures as a starting point for the negotiations.

Negotiated deal, player/coach at United:

2012/13: 8k (£416,000)​
2013/14: 3,5k (£182,000)​
2014/15: 3,5k (£182,000)​

Giving a total of £780,000, which means Cresswell won't lose out financially over the three years. United get a lower wage bill next year, but do have to pay the employee £156,000 more than his already very good original wage over the three years.

Any thoughts?
 
Very sound reasoning, as usual Bergen, I wouldn't think you are far off what has happened. From my perspective Cresswell has done very little wrong in his time at the Blades, nor to be fair has Montgomery. We can all think of plenty of players who, if they had found themselves in the situation this pair have, would have stirred up all kinds of trouble. I hope he works out as a success as a coach he seems to have the approach to give him a chance.
 
I am still concerned that 2 out of 4 players (Quinn, Monty, Collins or Doyle) will need to go before Friday. With Monty looking unlikely we could end up going backwards
 
All very good and sounds positive to have someone playing rather than not. However, doesn't it worry anyone how very, very close we are currently sailing to the wind. I commented about 18 months or so ago of how someone who knew about these matters said we were in real deep danger of administration or worse. Of course there was much guffawing from the usuals. Are these not the exercises of a club running out of cash and options at an alarming rate?

Superblade says don't panic (of course, he would) but bearing in mind no one wants our big wage earners and they won't go for nowt don't we desperately need someone to put a £1m+ bid on the table for Quinn to get him off the wage bill and put some much needed funds into the club.

Short of getting the hell out as quickly as he can, does anyone really know the true motives of Super Blade? Sounds to me like he can't give the club away and cannot take the hit of administration so in many ways we are left in the worst possible scenario. Cash strapped (even at League One level) and with no real future of any note unless we get out of this hellhole of a division this season. Mind you, nice hotel Kev.
 
Bladesway said:
All very good and sounds positive to have someone playing rather than not. However, doesn't it worry anyone how very, very close we are currently sailing to the wind. I commented about 18 months or so ago of how someone who knew about these matters said we were in real deep danger of administration or worse. Of course there was much guffawing from the usuals. Are these not the exercises of a club running out of cash and options at an alarming rate?

Superblade says don't panic (of course, he would) but bearing in mind no one wants our big wage earners and they won't go for nowt don't we desperately need someone to put a £1m+ bid on the table for Quinn to get him off the wage bill and put some much needed funds into the club.

Short of getting the hell out as quickly as he can, does anyone really know the true motives of Super Blade? Sounds to me like he can't give the club away and cannot take the hit of administration so in many ways we are left in the worst possible scenario. Cash strapped (even at League One level) and with no real future of any note unless we get out of this hellhole of a division this season. Mind you, nice hotel Kev.
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Well, the someone who "knew about theses matters" obviously didn't as administration is pointless when the money is all owed to one person. Yes, the "or worse" option could be invoked if KMc decided to call in his loans, walk away and liquidate us but that seems unlikely. It seems that finally (and partly driven by FFP) we are getting our financial house in order without having to rely on being bailed out every week/month/year..
 
Wapping Blade said:
Well, the someone who "knew about theses matters" obviously didn't as administration is pointless when the money is all owed to one person. Yes, the "or worse" option could be invoked if KMc decided to call in his loans, walk away and liquidate us but that seems unlikely. It seems that finally (and partly driven by FFP) we are getting our financial house in order without having to rely on being bailed out every week/month/year..
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No, we are clearly fine and in good hands. Thats why 2 players couldn't play the other night.
 
Seems like a logical move for both parties as I don't think Cresswell wants to leave and nor can we afford to lose his experience. The reduced coaching wage saves us money in the long run which means that is one thing we can tick on the list.
 
Bladesway said:
No, we are clearly fine and in good hands. Thats why 2 players couldn't play the other night.
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We're not fine. Sheffield United Football Club has an unsustainable business model and its main benefactor is tired of supporting it to the tune of £10m per annum. What do you want McCabe to do?

I fully support the moves being made, we've spent too long paying over the odds for average players. As for the face that Montgomery and Cresswell couldn't play: they'd have been on the bench at most and maybe someone saw the sense that their appearance fees couldn't be justified on a 15 minute cameo?
 
Bladesway said:
No, we are clearly fine and in good hands. Thats why 2 players couldn't play the other night.
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We are not fine but I think we are OK enough that we have worked out a solution to keep Cresswell rather than rush to pay him off and cancel his contract early. Worse still we have not defaulted on his wage completely ala Pompey.

I will worry when the club can't pay for anything and the HMRC are knocking on the door. At the moment we are just a club trying to put an end to the stupid wages we have paying to average footballers. This is a move that needs to happen across football like I have said many times before.

Look at Spurs they have signed Adebayor but didn't want to pay his silly 180k a week wages that he was on at Man City. Hence they are paying 80k and Man City are having to subsides the other 100k of his wage over the next 12 months.
 



Bladesway said:
All very good and sounds positive to have someone playing rather than not. However, doesn't it worry anyone how very, very close we are currently sailing to the wind. I commented about 18 months or so ago of how someone who knew about these matters said we were in real deep danger of administration or worse. Of course there was much guffawing from the usuals. Are these not the exercises of a club running out of cash and options at an alarming rate?

Superblade says don't panic (of course, he would) but bearing in mind no one wants our big wage earners and they won't go for nowt don't we desperately need someone to put a £1m+ bid on the table for Quinn to get him off the wage bill and put some much needed funds into the club.

Short of getting the hell out as quickly as he can, does anyone really know the true motives of Super Blade? Sounds to me like he can't give the club away and cannot take the hit of administration so in many ways we are left in the worst possible scenario. Cash strapped (even at League One level) and with no real future of any note unless we get out of this hellhole of a division this season. Mind you, nice hotel Kev.
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I dont think its that urgent for this season personally, next season all the high earners will have left or be on new contracts and the FFP should give us a huge advantage in this league. I think this season is the last transitional one.

As for the Hotel wasnt it said at the time that SUFC could buy it back at the same price it was sold for if it became viable?
 
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