My take ...

[Keen Blade]

Seriously why don’t you just stop watching? You never have anything positive to say.

What crap - read it again - positives are in there where merited.

 

[John Street West Terrace]

I thought Berge was better than the last game, although that isn't saying much. He didn't vanish tonight however and was quite prominent in the last 15 trying to get the ball in and won a few corners.

We really need McBurnie back to hold the ball up.... didn't think I'd be saying that 6 months ago.

Note : it's quite obvious there won't be any newcomers in the January window and Hecky said tonight his priority is just not to LOSE anyone.

Might see something happen if Khadra goes back & board agree to replace him with another loanee ?

 

[Keen Blade]

Think we bossed it from 60 mins onwards but why does it take us that long to get out of 1st gear

Because the feckin manager picks the wrong team to start with

 

[Keen Blade]

Only me up then?
Pretty much as I saw it.
Far too many slow, ponderous minutes lost to nothingness, summed up when Egan (I think) could have strolled forward into the middle of the park and beyond, but chose to check and go back, as we did (and often do) so many times.

And then booted it long and high for Ndiaye to battle alone with 3 giants

 

[Sheff de party]

Seriously. Why do you bother reading? Why not give us your take, instead?

Gwaaaan. You know you want to ...

pommpey

Haha fair

 

[GrayBlade]

Out of interest has anybody seen how shite Burnley have been in their last few games? Anybody watch their game v Stoke for instance? To be honest I don't think I've ever seen us get promoted without experiencing several games like tonight. I'm only mentioning it for balance like, no big deal but for a minute I thought the world had ended because we hadn't won 6 away games on the trot

 

[coaxingstar71]

Might see something happen if Khadra goes back & board agree to replace him with another loanee ?

You'd hope so, but this is United we're talking about.
We're challenging for promotion so we'll probably sell our two best players and not replace them.

 

[Keen Blade]

Wtf goes on in Hecky's brain ?
If he's gonna exclude Khadra from the 18 just send him back FFS - stop teasing.
If McAtee is not only in a rich vein of form but also scores 2 in 2 , why drop him ?
If we are badly struggling from the 10th minute , conceding the mf and pumping long aerial balls , and you have the answer in McAtee , Bogle & Jebbo , why wait so long to make the changes and affect the game ?
Maybe even win it.
If Berge has sat down in the centre circle reading his Norwegian newspaper (or some other activity which is affecting the game to the same degree) , is it not time to sub him off ?
He recently stated he wants to amass all possible points as fast as possible.
Does he know how to give us the best chance of doing that ?
Shall I draw him a picture ?

 

[metalblade]

Rather generous marks tonight I'd say could have knocked a point off most of them. Could have hooked any of them at HT apart from Ndiaye. That was as poor as we have seen this season. It does make you wonder if even a 9pt gap will be enough of a cushion to last the next 20 games out.

 

[Groucho Blade]

Our midfield lacks pace, drive and athleticism and is far too easily bullied. Been saying it for three seasons. As a result we have to resort to hooof and we don’t have the presence and athleticism up front to play hoof ball. So we get long periods in games where we struggle for a foothold. Luckily we’ve got Ndiaye and McAtee who can sometimes run the length of the pitch and get us a goal.

 

[United Aren't Back.]

Yeah it was bad, but delighted to get a point eventually, even though the defeat was nailed on for me, from the beginning.
Always nervous when a team with crap recent history plays us, eg Rotherham.
United usually struggle, and Heckingbottom acting like he's unaware of it doesn't help matters.
His post match ramble was nothing but bland, gobshite, manager speak.
As much sense and truth as listening to Boris Johnson.
Or Adkins...

 

[Gavlar]

Fair assessment on the whole pomps.

We were well off it. Doyle was appalling as others have said and rightly hooked. Jebbo was decent but he isn't the answer at all.

Not sure Baldrick or Wes were that bad, aside from Wes catching the ball outside the box.

We need McBurnie and Brewster back or we need another striker on loan in the JTW.

Hard going, but that's how you get promoted, win at home and somehow draw away.

I was really pleased for JLT as he took a dogs abuse and kept going.

 

[Old Programme seller]

Doyle was bad but tried his best to be better trying to get into the game but he was off the pace, I think we’re are so short up front it compounds the problem.

 

[Blade56]

agree with most of what you say but Berge is a good player

I’m on pommpey side re Berge.

What’s so frustrating we know what he can do and it’s brilliant. Problem is for me he doesn't seems arsed to do it for us, still feel he thinks we’re bellow his expectations.

As for what’s Hecky doing? Berge seemed to come into it when he went right side, dropped his shoulder a few times and got behind their defence. But when Bogle came on he was moved to the left and disappeared again.

Most would have taken 4 from 2 away games. It’s not the results it’s the performances and for me the issue is in transition and that’s the MF. Great defence (Wes starting to look L1) and great attacking options (when fit) but Nozza can’t do all the MF graft and pinging Hollywood shots to make up for an absent MF.

We’ve got Stoke coming up beaten by 2 of our rivals in their latest games so expect them to come out fighting from the off. Then Hull stringing scoring wins together and not long after Middlesbrough, my tip to be our main auto contender.

 

[Geordie Blade]

I disagree about Doyle and Berge (they should be the other way around for marks out of 10).

Touches: Berge 56 Doyle 27
Shots on target: Berge 0 Doyle 0
Shots off target: Berge 0 Doyle 2
Passes: Berge 37 Doyle 21
Key passes: Berge 1 Doyle 0
Dribbles: Berge 1 Doyle 0
Crosses: Berge 5 Doyle 0
Tackles: Berge 3 Doyle 0
Interceptions: Berge 1 Doyle 0
Blocked shots: Berge 1 Doyle 0

Neither of them played well, but you’ve picked the wrong one for ‘the invisible man’.

 

[west_yorks_blade]

Wtf goes on in Hecky's brain ?
If he's gonna exclude Khadra from the 18 just send him back FFS - stop teasing.
If McAtee is not only in a rich vein of form but also scores 2 in 2 , why drop him ?
If we are badly struggling from the 10th minute , conceding the mf and pumping long aerial balls , and you have the answer in McAtee , Bogle & Jebbo , why wait so long to make the changes and affect the game ?
Maybe even win it.
If Berge has sat down in the centre circle reading his Norwegian newspaper (or some other activity which is affecting the game to the same degree) , is it not time to sub him off ?
He recently stated he wants to amass all possible points as fast as possible.
Does he know how to give us the best chance of doing that ?
Shall I draw him a picture ?

Crazy isn’t it?

You’d think that working day in day out with the squad would give hecky far more insight into team selection and tactics than members of an internet forum.

It really highlights how terrible he is that he makes so many constant mistakes that everyone else can see.

We can only imagine how well we would actually be doing if we had someone decent in charge of things. Second is piss poor. We really should be top with no points dropped and 100% clean sheets.

I’d sooner have literally anyone on here in charge, that can see the stupid errors being made, instead of this waste of a wage.

 

[pommpey]

I disagree about Doyle and Berge (they should be the other way around for marks out of 10).

Touches: Berge 56 Doyle 27
Shots on target: Berge 0 Doyle 0
Shots off target: Berge 0 Doyle 2
Passes: Berge 37 Doyle 21
Key passes: Berge 1 Doyle 0
Dribbles: Berge 1 Doyle 0
Crosses: Berge 5 Doyle 0
Tackles: Berge 3 Doyle 0
Interceptions: Berge 1 Doyle 0
Blocked shots: Berge 1 Doyle 0

Neither of them played well, but you’ve picked the wrong one for ‘the invisible man’.

Any stats for:

Dawdles laconically whilst opposition passes ball round player
Consistent minutes not touching ball
Consistent minutes not with arms up wanting ball
Failures to control ball
Jumps well below actual height to head ball
Passes ball to opposition player when better options are available
Time on pitch when should be subbed

pommpey

 

[pommpey]

I’m on pommpey side re Berge.

What’s so frustrating we know what he can do and it’s brilliant. Problem is for me he doesn't seems arsed to do it for us, still feel he thinks we’re bellow his expectations.

As for what’s Hecky doing? Berge seemed to come into it when he went right side, dropped his shoulder a few times and got behind their defence. But when Bogle came on he was moved to the left and disappeared again.

Most would have taken 4 from 2 away games. It’s not the results it’s the performances and for me the issue is in transition and that’s the MF. Great defence (Wes starting to look L1) and great attacking options (when fit) but Nozza can’t do all the MF graft and pinging Hollywood shots to make up for an absent MF.

We’ve got Stoke coming up beaten by 2 of our rivals in their latest games so expect them to come out fighting from the off. Then Hull stringing scoring wins together and not long after Middlesbrough, my tip to be our main auto contender.

I think hes got buckets of talent. Will we ever see much of it? Doubtful.

I think he is misplaced in the 5-3-2 we play. I don't think we play anything like the formation he is comfortable with and I'm not sure I know what position he is good in. He's come here as a defensive midfielder. but he's right footed. We already have one of those. TO get anything out of him we have to effectively play a 3-4-1-2 or a 3-4-2-1 if McB plays, but he still needs space and connectivity. He's no good being close marked and only shows effect when he has space between him and his man and he can drop a shoulder and go into space past people. Most of his goals are opportunist tap ins or six yarders and apart from Cov last year doesn't head goals much. And if oppositions press him or put people tight on him or cut out his receive channels, he's out of the game completely because he won't go looking for the ball or digging it out like NDiaye does. He's not a dead ball man, has only scored one penalty and can't hit from range either.

So what, exactly have we got in Sander Berge?

pommpey

 

[Bell4]

I honestly thought we’d be riding steadily on the coattails of Burnley all the way to the Premier league. But if any of the chasing pack were watching that tonight…They’ll all be smelling blood and really enthused that automatic promotion is not out of their grasp.

This

 

[Bell4]

Seriously why don’t you just stop watching? You never have anything positive to say.

Think he is turning a bit soft tbh

We were a lot worse than his take outlined imo

What a load of utter dross that was , and as someone else said , if the chasing pack are watching then they will be filled with hope and wonder just how the hell we are where we are ,because I know I do .

 

[Bell4]

I disagree about Doyle and Berge (they should be the other way around for marks out of 10).

Touches: Berge 56 Doyle 27
Shots on target: Berge 0 Doyle 0
Shots off target: Berge 0 Doyle 2
Passes: Berge 37 Doyle 21
Key passes: Berge 1 Doyle 0
Dribbles: Berge 1 Doyle 0
Crosses: Berge 5 Doyle 0
Tackles: Berge 3 Doyle 0
Interceptions: Berge 1 Doyle 0
Blocked shots: Berge 1 Doyle 0

Neither of them played well, but you’ve picked the wrong one for ‘the invisible man’.

That’s a bit like a debate on which arm do you want chopping off

 

[DronnieBlade]

To say that these match reviews have become reactionary might be overstating it a wee bit Pomp’s !

Your inconsistencies in reviewing players performances based on certain agendas or pre conceived notions pretty darn clear as well.

UTB

 

[Geordie Blade]

Any stats for:

Dawdles laconically whilst opposition passes ball round player
Consistent minutes not touching ball
Consistent minutes not with arms up wanting ball
Failures to control ball
Jumps well below actual height to head ball
Passes ball to opposition player when better options are available
Time on pitch when should be subbed

pommpey

The point is that Berge wasn’t invisible. Are you saying that Doyle outperformed Berge in the areas that you describe above?

Dawdles laconically whilst opposition passes ball round player. Doyle: tackles = 0.
Consistent minutes not touching ball. Berge had more than twice as many touches of the ball than Doyle.
Consistent minutes not with arms up wanting ball. See above. If you think Doyle was wanting the ball more than Berge, why wasn’t he getting it?
Failures to control ball. Berge = 2, Doyle = 1.
Jumps well below actual height to head ball. Neither Berge nor Doyle won a single header.
Passes ball to opposition player when better options are available. Misplaced passes: Berge = 8 (of 37), Doyle = 6 (of 21).
Time on pitch when should be subbed. Both should have been subbed.

You’re making this [conversation] just about Berge. I’m failing to see what Doyle did to justify a 6. You tell us that everyone starts on a 5, so presumably Doyle’s performance was a positive for you.

 

[pommpey]

The point is that Berge wasn’t invisible. Are you saying that Doyle outperformed Berge in the areas that you describe above?

Dawdles laconically whilst opposition passes ball round player. Doyle: tackles = 0.
Consistent minutes not touching ball. Berge had more than twice as many touches of the ball than Doyle.
Consistent minutes not with arms up wanting ball. See above. If you think Doyle was wanting the ball more than Berge, why wasn’t he getting it?
Failures to control ball. Berge = 2, Doyle = 1.
Jumps well below actual height to head ball. Neither Berge nor Doyle won a single header.
Passes ball to opposition player when better options are available. Misplaced passes: Berge = 8 (of 34), Doyle = 6 (of 21).
Time on pitch when should be subbed. Both should have been subbed.

You’re making this [conversation] just about Berge. I’m failing to see what Doyle did to justify a 6. You tell us that everyone starts on a 5, so presumably Doyle’s performance was a positive for you.

Doyle did at least get stuck in. Some daft free kicks conceded but he looked determined and attack minded. That's why he got a point above.

Berge didn't.

pommpey

 

[pommpey]

To say that these match reviews have become reactionary might be overstating it a wee bit Pomp’s !

Your inconsistencies in reviewing players performances based on certain agendas or pre conceived notions pretty darn clear as well.

UTB

Because my POV disagrees with yours doesn't mean I have an agenda. If I did, why would I give Norwood a 7, when the past seasons 'my agenda based POV' gave him far less. I call it as I see it. If you see it differently, give us your own out of tens and why rather than make your comments about me and what my opinion is.

Floor's yours Dronnie ... off you go

cups ear

pommpey

 

[Snowflake]

Well, yet another game where we are grateful for a result but despairing at the performance. Tonight we played like our 'usual selves', scrapping about the middle of table for the meagre hope we'll scrape into the playoffs only to be bummed in the first round because ... because ... because ...

It was over eighty five minutes a terrible game. First five we actually looked worth it and QPR, after being tonked by Luton last game at Loftus looked like they were in for another back-dooring. But after that we just slid off the plate like a sad pie and splattered all over the deck. The back three, now restored, looked like they were brand new out of the box and Egan simply gifted them a goal and from the moment it hit the back of our net, QPR smelled the same blood the last set of teams we have edged past did and we leak it with real abandon into a sea full of not very impressive sharks. Crap sharks, in fact.

QPR weren't, once again, very good or really worthy of a 1-0 lead right up into injury time but fuck me they made themselves known. Everywhere we looked or ventured, they had it covered. Not even changing the formation from 5-3-2 to what I assume was 4-3-1-2 gave us any traction. We either fed hopeful passes that were mopped up or we gave full control of the game to them and lacked any real urgency until someone must have said "Gaffer ... it's gone an hour ... d'you think you might do summat about the 'we're losing' situation?" Sure, we'd hooked Clarke for JLT, but that hardly gave us the grit needed to take the game to them for the next 45. QPR found it easy to play round us, through us and past us and we stayed firmly 'behind' for too long until Jebbison came on and offered some token resistance. QPR by this time, although tired, managed us really well even into some heartstopping final moments when eventually the dam broke and we snatched a late, late, barely deserved equaliser.

By tonight's performance alone, it's clear we are skating on thinning ice. Key, essential players tonight were still off their best and in other areas we are relying on veterans. It's an indication that during this JTW, we cannot simply sit on our hands and repeat the mantra that 'we have enough'. We don't, and what we have certainly won't be enough next season if we go up because the expected whirlwind most of us thought would happen four years ago will definitely happen from the first whistle in August if we continue to adopt the untidy attitudes shown tonight and rely on the talismanic skills of one or two whose future with us isn't guaranteed.

Foderingham 5/10: Continuing his flat spot. Unconvinging and hesitant tonight. He's not been the same since the WC
Baldock 4.5/10: Though he made his own game difficult by overthinking and overplaying at times
Anel 5/10: His game is suffering because in front of him and around him as we go forward, there is hesitancy and nervousness. Defending he was okay
Egan 4/10: Would have got 3/10 had it not been for the late goal. Tonight he was impossibly poor even for his recently fair-ish standards. And for fuck's sake ... their goal ...
Clark 5.5/10: Our best central three. Hope his injury isn't a doozie ... rumoured to be a hamstring though so won't hold my breath
Stevens 5/10: An improved but not flawless game for him. He did get forward and did get some goes on goal and an assist
Doyle 6/10: Grafted and at least tried to impose, if giving away daft fouls in the process. Quite why he was hooked, I have no idea
Norwood 7/10: Another improved performance. Between him and Doyle they marshalled the midfield on their own
Berge 3/10: The invisible man. Really hope people get the fucking message now
NDaiye 6.5/10: Dogged, determined and denied as he can't do this shit on his own
Sharp 4/10: Another one who, despite all his efforts, is just ineffective now in a game like this. His weak effort in the first half being case in question

McAtee 6.5/10: Despite some spirited runs, failed to impose and get round their pretty timid defence
Jebbison 7/10: Made us look an entirely different prospect, if again, ineffective
Bogle 5/10: Too late for any effect. Should have been on twenty minutes earlier. Absolutely no idea what the formation was by that time, mind

HJ&SMcC 4/10: Rescued a draw from the humiliation and gathering feeling we'll fuck this chance up. We won't of course ... but games like tonight are unwarranted and avoidable if he instils that oft mentioned killer instinct we have always lacked. No idea what formation he was meant to be playing late on but one point is better than zero. Play the kids next week vs Miwaw and get this lot back on the basics. And fr fuck's sake board, sign some fucking players, eh?

pommpey

I assume you felt Berge was so ineffective as to not trouble the scorer ?
I thought Doyle was really poor last night: often out of position, lost tackles and passed really badly.
Sad to see Billy miss two chances, at least one of which he would have put away in previous seasons.
Why oh why will our players not shoot when the opportunity arises ? Baldock taking a touch when the ball was played perfectly in front of him on his right foot is inexplicable.

 

[pommpey]

I assume you felt Berge was so ineffective as to not trouble the scorer ?
I thought Doyle was really poor last night: often out of position, lost tackles and passed really badly.
Sad to see Billy miss two chances, at least one of which he would have put away in previous seasons.
Why oh why will our players not shoot when the opportunity arises ? Baldock taking a touch when the ball was played perfectly in front of him on his right foot is inexplicable.

If you squint at the screen ...

pommpey

 

[ancientblade]

last nights game made it even more obvious that we need a midfielder and striker to come in this month were in such a fantastic position with a fantastic chance of getting back to the premier league over to the boardroom now

 

[Snowflake]

Fair assessment on the whole pomps.

We were well off it. Doyle was appalling as others have said and rightly hooked. Jebbo was decent but he isn't the answer at all.

Not sure Baldrick or Wes were that bad, aside from Wes catching the ball outside the box.

We need McBurnie and Brewster back or we need another striker on loan in the JTW.

Hard going, but that's how you get promoted, win at home and somehow draw away.

I was really pleased for JLT as he took a dogs abuse and kept going.

Why isn’t Jebbison the answer ?
I realise last night is not enough to judge him on, but he looked good and scored some decent goals last season at Burton.
Give him a start at Millwall and see what he can do against an good, strong side.

 

[Snowflake]

If you squint at the screen ...

pommpey

...only when watching naughty films !!