A message to our fickle fans ..

[Snowflake]

While I whole heartedly agree. He gotvthe team wrong today. The 2nd half proved that.

If the second half team had started we would still have been two goals down !
Whilst you can expect professional players to play 95 minutes twice a week you cannot expect them to perform at the top level when doing that.
You have to use squad players regularly to last the whole season at the top.

 

[Broomhall Blade]

You can bet the vast bulk of those wanting Hecky out are Wednesday fans or Blades who never go to games.
Don't judge social media...best to judge on the reaction from the 27K at the match.

I can assure you I'm not a Wednesday fan and I do go too games.
But if you are happy with 3 points out of 18 and Yesterday's starting eleven.
Yes the second half was good and it always feels nice coming back from two nil down but don't let that mask the fact we still dropped two points at home against a not very good Norwich side.

 

[SRA76]

You can bet the vast bulk of those wanting Hecky out are Wednesday fans or Blades who never go to games.
Don't judge social media...best to judge on the reaction from the 27K at the match.

Think there was probably 24-25k blades at game today and the vast majority are still with him although I do have 2 idiots sat bang behind us what clearly aren’t and won’t shut the fuck up from start to finish about sacking him. Swear they were happy when mcburnie missed that header in dying minutes

 

[Hackey Blade]

Think there was probably 24-25k blades at game today and the vast majority are still with him although I do have 2 idiots sat bang behind us what clearly aren’t and won’t shut the fuck up from start to finish about sacking him. Swear they were happy when mcburnie missed that header in dying minutes

i take it there was 5-6 thousand norwich fans there then

 

[SRA76]

i take it there was 5-6 thousand norwich fans there then

Just over 3k Norwich always travel well tbf

 

[Davalon]

I'm not advocating Hecky out but we all have to be realistic today.

Get to the WC break without another win and his position should be in peril.

Without new ownership the club is at a crossroads at the end of the season, with or without promotion.

PL could help us restructure though.

 

[SRA76]

i take it there was 5-6 thousand norwich fans there then

Sorry I get what your saying now. Obviously there wasn’t 5-6k Norwich there I get ya. But I don’t think there was anywhere near 30k there either. Seats all round us spare. When we was in prem and there WAS 30k plus then it looked like there was 30k plus. Yesterday wasn’t. I think we’ve actually had bigger hime support this season than yesterday but that was probably biggest away support we’ve had

 

[Champagneblade]

End of the day, you can't help the way you feel.

I've posted many messages on here to give him a chance and not to judge on his overall management record. Got some achievement at Barnsley, had a limited spell at Leeds with no window and at Hibs there was some good and bad.

I don't want United to become a Watford or a Chelsea the way they hire and fire.

This past week or so though has done him some damage.

From defending him to an initial degree the last two or three games he has shown shortcomings which have undermined the ability of the players he has.

I've seen blips before around this time of year. Usually never exceed 4 games. It's 6 games now, which equates to almost 40% of the season. This can't be dismissed as just a blip.

It's also confusing when managers make comments firstly that contradict others they have made and secondly when they steadfastly refuse to admit when they make a mistake. As a Yorkshireman too he must know people appreciate when folk put their hand up and admit they got it wrong.

Taking purely the subset of the last two, which were already on the back of 4 games without a win:

Coming into Coventry, he'd told us that McBurnie couldn't play more than 70 minutes, sewing the seeds for in game changes or rotation.

Against a supposed lesser team in Coventry, he makes no rotational change at all. Despite Basham having a poor game against Blackpool he stays in, also despite Robinson being back and potentially needing minutes. Despite N'Diaye playing many minutes and McBurnie having an issue they both stay in. Despite his apparent concern, he plays both of them for the full 90. He also leaves Brewster, Khadra and Sharp except the last 2 mins on the bench. His excuse for overplaying McBurnie was there he had an effort about the time he should have been removed due to medical caution. So he kept him on. Not much concern on player welfare there. Then he had the arrogance and temerity to suggest he massively disagrees that we didn't go for it and didn't buy that we should have made changes.

Next up Norwich in possibly our biggest game of the season and having taken little care to manage the minutes, he goes all Mother Theresa on us and drops both top scorers under the guise of looking after their welfare.

Then he's also doubling down on his team selection being correct, despite posing little actual threat on the Norwich goal in the first half irregardless of heavy possession. He can thank Teemu Pukki. If he'd not missed, few would be buying a second half rally from the players he should have picked and there would be far more intense focus on his ineffectual record post-break.

So which one is it Paul? Because if player welfare is a big thing for you then we should be seeing 5 subs used all the time and the odd player rotated.

You fucked up the line up yesterday. Part of that could have been because you fucked up the game management from the prior match.

Don't try to hoodwink us. Be honest.

Better management of the team and we should have been sat here with 6 from the last two and be top. Norwich were nothing yesterday. We gifted them a start and they lucked out a bit with the ball falling as it did to Pukki but they failed to impose themselves at all aside from a 10 minute spell. Coventry were even worse. They didn't manage an effort on target for 70 minutes so what fear we had of throwing the kitchen sink at them I've no idea.

Back to the OP. You can't help the way you feel. From someone who was open to him, he's definitely gone down in my estimation through both action and word this past week or so.

For all the feeling of windup from @Fallowfied 's post, there is some truth. We've 30 games left in the season. Out of Hecky, Dyche, Wilder or other, is Hecky the most likely to get the maximum out of those games? I hope he is. But he's got to improve a helluva lot.

We need 2 points per game to go up automatically. We had that and a buffer of 3 before the break. Incidentally, where was the resting and player welfare in giving Berge a break after two back to back 90s or Norrington-Davies? Both now injured. I digress. To get back to 2 per game we would need to win the next 6 matches, or it's play offs and after the start we've had, playoffs would be a massive underachievement especially when you look at who might finish above us. He's even let back in Watford into the mix when their start should have jinxed them already.

If he's to retain our support I feel he owes us and so does the team. We've 5 matches left before the break, he needs to be nailing as close to maximum points as possible. No more fucking about. He's got Anel back. He's got Robinson back. He's got Baldock. He's got Fleck, Doyle and Norwood as options and he's got all his strikers more or less available. No more excuses.

Got to West Brom, take the game to them and actually get a result. Bristol same, don't be as shit as we were last time down there. Put in a proper home performance against Burnley and out an actual competitor to the sword, you've failed to do there so far against Norwich, Watford, QPR and West Brom in the cup so far. Dismiss Rotherham as a newly promoted team should be by one hoping to go up. More of the same against an unpredictable Cardiff.

We simply can't waste this golden opportunity by being crap and being poorly managed or another 10 year cycle of nothingness shall begin. Mass exodus in the summer, young players being blooded and a mid table finish. That's what we'll be subjected to.

Hopefully he can grasp the opportunity, but if he can't then we can't wait another 10 years because he wasn't up to it.

 

[Hackey Blade]

Sorry I get what your saying now. Obviously there wasn’t 5-6k Norwich there I get ya. But I don’t think there was anywhere near 30k there either. Seats all round us spare. When we was in prem and there WAS 30k plus then it looked like there was 30k plus. Yesterday wasn’t. I think we’ve actually had bigger hime support this season than yesterday but that was probably biggest away support we’ve had

yeah i agree it’s impossible to get the real actual attendance these days (that said it always has been at bdtbl)

 

[Rusty view]

If the second half team had started we would still have been two goals down !
Whilst you can expect professional players to play 95 minutes twice a week you cannot expect them to perform at the top level when doing that.
You have to use squad players regularly to last the whole season at the top.

It's a valid point. I get that. But start them and bring them off would be my choice.

Hindsight is a great thing. But we need McB to bully their cbs.

Let's get to WC break in touch. Refresh those limbs.

 

[Silent Blade]

It's never been easier to get a fuckload of likes on here

This army of "Hey, don't be negative" thread starters must have Roygbiv waking up in a cold sweat.....

The league table picture posters also have superb potential

The battle........ is on.

I can see that the fact we didnt lose yesterday is hurting you badly!

 

[VictoryBlade]

You can bet the vast bulk of those wanting Hecky out are Wednesday fans or Blades who never go to games.
Don't judge social media...best to judge on the reaction from the 27K at the match.

27K replace that with 30K please

 

[VictoryBlade]

i take it there was 5-6 thousand norwich fans there then

No according to Wonky Owl 10,000

 

[FallowfieldBlade]

Stop talking shite about replacing hecky with Dyche, trust the manager who has done really well so far and stop being such wankers .. end of

Trust the manager who has had no previous track record of doing anything at this level of any note at all

Don’t trust the multiple managers available who have done far more with far less capable squads


Too many jaegers this weekend Drunk blade

 

[FallowfieldBlade]

Id rather have Liz Truss as manager than Sean Dyche

stats yesterday show us having 21 shots
Burnley used to have to play 8 games to do that under Dyche

You’d rather have heckingbottom who’s last job was getting sacked by st mirren over serial championship winner Sean dyche

I’ve come to conclusion that a lot of our fans know nothing about football

 

[FallowfieldBlade]

Said exactly this when Twitter was going bonkers with his team selection.

Morons who work in call centres, building sites, claim to be social media personalIties - all claiming they know more than the guy who sees the players Mon-Fri, has access to all their performance data, will have analysed their vo2 uptake, lactic tolerance buffers...

It's quite embarrassing really.

Well they clearly did know more because hecky brought them on after 60 minutes cause we were gonna lose

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

Well they clearly did know more because hecky brought them on after 60 minutes cause we were gonna lose

If anything that proves the point... The data showed they either couldn't do a full 90 or if they started we'd be taking them off at the business end of the match.

I can't decide if you're a WUM, really really stupid or have experienced frontal lobe damage at some point in your life...

Either way, I feel sorry for you...

 

[blade too long]

You’d rather have heckingbottom who’s last job was getting sacked by st mirren over serial championship winner Sean dyche

I’ve come to conclusion that a lot of our fans know nothing about football

Sean Dyche had to learn
a lot of championship manager. have a odd fail on their cv ..but. being top 6 in the. championship with 11 First team player. missing due to injuries is better than being where. Middlesbrough Huddersfield and West brom are just now

 

[FallowfieldBlade]

If anything that proves the point... The data showed they either couldn't do a full 90 or if they started we'd be taking them off at the business end of the match.

I can't decide if you're a WUM, really really stupid or have experienced frontal lobe damage at some point in your life...

Either way, I feel sorry for you...

Well my data shows that hecky dropped the 3 best performers recently Ndiaye/Mcburnie/Doyle and we were losing 2-0

He brought them on and we drew 2-2 that’s all the data I need

The man is clueless scooby doo has more of a clue than him

 

[FallowfieldBlade]

Sean Dyche had to learn
a lot of championship manager. have a odd fail on their cv ..but. being top 6 in the. championship with 11 First team player. missing due to injuries is better than being where. Middlesbrough Huddersfield and West brom are just now

We have the best squad in the league by a mile it’s alright when there all fit hecky just has to put them out on the pitch as the first 8/9 games showed

Ndiaye/Berge/Bogle/Egan/Anel/RND/
Norwood/Doyle/Mcburnie

Are all one of or the best players in there position in the league

I’d give hecky a break if there was a sign that we played a certain way or he had any idea of how he wants them to set up & play

But he doesn’t his main tactic is to just say do what you did under wilder that plus having the best squad in the league means we will do well doesn’t matter who the manager is if we do that IMO

 

[MobileBlade]

We have the best squad in the league by a mile it’s alright when there all fit hecky just has to put them out on the pitch as the first 8/9 games showed

Ndiaye/Berge/Bogle/Egan/Anel/RND/
Norwood/Doyle/Mcburnie

Are all one of or the best players in there position in the league

I’d give hecky a break if there was a sign that we played a certain way or he had any idea of how he wants them to set up & play

But he doesn’t his main tactic is to just say do what you did under wilder that plus having the best squad in the league means we will do well doesn’t matter who the manager is if we do that IMO

One day. Soon. Me and you will watch the same game.

 

[blade too long]

But he doesn’t his main tactic is to just say do what you did under wilder that plus having the best squad in the league

I don't think it's anything like Wilders system . We. play with wingers more than overlapping wing backs and play 2 up front

we've. got a decent squad. but it is not proven as best in the division. we finished 5th last season the 3 thT went up were replaced by Burnley Watford and Norwich who would argue they have better squads


we are ahead of where we were this time last season so to. lay all the blame at heckys door when the. signings he's made are. why we are now a top 6. challenging team

 

[LurkerBlade]

Individual errors and not sustained pressure can be attributed to nearly all the goals in the last 6 games and the vast majority down the left where we are struggling with injuries.
The same thing happened to Wilder when he didn't have his first choices, the rest of the team got nervous and played within themselves meaning we didn't attach like we know we can.
Yesterday's second half wasn't just personnel changes, it was going for it because we had nothing to lose, if we get that belief back (In the fans & the players) we will start winning again, we just need Bash/Ozzy/Egan for the foreseeable future to believe in themselves and cut out the stupid errors.

*I do realise it was Anel for the 2nd goal but he was covering a run behind Egan/Bash again.

 

[ATL Recs]

You can bet the vast bulk of those wanting Hecky out are Wednesday fans or Blades who never go to games.
Don't judge social media...best to judge on the reaction from the 27K at the match.

Don’t want him out but you’ve got question his use of subs his tactics and his team selections
His latest reasoning for resting our best players is baffling
If he’d rested them for Wednesday night in prep for Saturday that would made sense but to put that team with no left side other than a RCB whose struggled in that role Osborne with Fleck returning from a broken leg and 30 mins of football then Macatee a 19 year old whose never played grown up football before is mind boggling
Yes we are limited but he’s always been the same since day one reactive not proactive
Oh and I do go to every game home and away

 

[Charlieblade]

Don’t want him out but you’ve got question his use of subs his tactics and his team selections
His latest reasoning for resting our best players is baffling
If he’d rested them for Wednesday night in prep for Saturday that would made sense but to put that team with no left side other than a RCB whose struggled in that role Osborne with Fleck returning from a broken leg and 30 mins of football then Macatee a 19 year old whose never played grown up football before is mind boggling
Yes we are limited but he’s always been the same since day one reactive not proactive
Oh and I do go to every game home and away

The day the match is played makes no difference. Players clearly neede resting/rotating. Starting those same players on a weeknight or a weekend game, he still has limited options to replace them!

Would you be happy with Fleck, McAtee and Sharp coming on late in either game? Sorry, but you can’t have it both ways.

 

[Aycliffe Blade]

Think there was probably 24-25k blades at game today and the vast majority are still with him although I do have 2 idiots sat bang behind us what clearly aren’t and won’t shut the fuck up from start to finish about sacking him. Swear they were happy when mcburnie missed that header in dying minutes

WE've always had that element, I expect most clubs do.

 

[CaptainMorgans]

A lot of how you view PH is dependent on whether you hold him in any way accountable for our injury crisis, because it is this that is the biggest contributory factor in our downfall.
Personally, I do hold him responsible to a large degree.

I think his squad management and in-game management is quite poor. He doesn't rotate his starting line ups enough to keep players fresh and doesn't understand when it's time to take someone off during a game.
A lot of our injuries have felt inevitable before they've happened.

We're tactically rigid. We show no signs of being able to effectively adopt a different shape either from the beginning, or during games.

Where he deserves credit is that he went back to a system that worked for us and instantly gave us a platform to perform.
He's then further tweaked the shape to get more out of the likes of Norwood, Berge and Ndiaye.
He seems to be good at improving younger players and getting the best out of experienced ones and the players do all seem to respond well to him.

I'm not a member of the Hecky Out club by any means, but if he doesn't pick up at least 9/10 points before the World Cup break then I wouldn't blame the board for at least considering other options.
As others have said, I think it's shit or bust for promotion this season. I don't think the chance will be there next year.

 

[Nagima]

Generally this season Hecky wants too long before making a substitution in my opinion.
Due to the amount of injuries we have been putting square pegs in round holes which is understandable. What I would like to see is a more settled team at present especially as we have dropped off in form. We need to steady the ship and as more players come back then rotate more in the second half of the season.

 

[Darthblade]

I don't think our fans are overly fickle ..... but I do think that Hecky perseveres too long with players that are out of form.
Some of the "senior players" have significantly underperformed, particularly since the bloody International break, and they know who they are.

UTB & FTP

 

[steve26272]

Did he turn the game with his subs, or did the game need turning because of who he started on the bench?

Question - if a security guard looses a prisoner, then catches him 45 minutes later, does he get a medal for capturing a fugitive, or sacked for loosing him in the first place??

I think it’s a reasonable tactic to leave your best players on the bench in the Hope the starting 11 can get 2-0 up and you can leave the subs there as you cruise to a routine win.

That tactic shouldn’t have been deployed against a top 2/6 rival

For that reason he dropped a bollock

Back to the security guard, pat on back for capture, final written warning for derelict of duty in first place