Outgoing? SANDER BERGE ON WAY OUT ?

[brownblade]

Sod it, sell em all now just in case we don’t get promoted. That way you’ll be happy and we will have a healthy balance sheet. Finishing 10th in the championship isn’t so bad after all is it. Hopefully we can get a bit of consistency and do it 5 years running.

I'm not sure why you're getting stressed. Bob is talking financial sense for the club we love. He's not having a go at you, or wanting the club to fail.

 

[Greasy Chap Butty]

Recruitment is tasked with finding our best options,this is what they are paid to do.

That's all it's is though 'best alternative ' , which would really be somebody who was ok to play in that position.
Doesn't mean they are paid to find a like for like quality alternative for less money.

 

[Blacksea]

That's all it's is though 'best alternative ' , which would really be somebody who was ok to play in that position.
Doesn't mean they are paid to find a like for like quality alternative for less money.

They should have had a go to list for weeks now,Hecky should have it on his desk right now,and phone calls about likely availability should have been made,this is how clubs with a can do,must do mentality work,not a shoulder shrug and "poor old us again".
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[bladesmanluke]

Recruitment is tasked with finding our best options,this is what they are paid to do.

I don't rate their chances of feeding the kids this Christmas if they're expected to find another 6 foot 5, Rolls Royce of a midfielder with the ability to play at Champions League level

 

[Blacksea]

I don't rate their chances of feeding the kids this Christmas if they're expected to find another 6 foot 5, Rolls Royce of a midfielder with the ability to play at Champions League level

The quote I referred to was that if we sell anybody now,we don't have time to find an adequate replacement,which is defeatism mentality.
Watford just brought a forward in to replace Dennis,and if Sarr had gone to Villa,Archer and Hause were coning the other way,that shows a can do,positive mentality.

 

[Blade58]

Secured against parachute money

That was the case last time around, so yes, I presume that may well be the case this time, except we only get what is it £15m next season, so I guess unless we go up there’ll be fk all left in the pot once this loan is paid back?

 

[Blade58]

Did i read that correctly,if we sell anyone during the last days of the window,there will not be enough time to get a replacement ?

Yup

 

[Greasy Chap Butty]

They should have had a go to list for weeks now,Hecky should have it on his desk right now,and phone calls about likely availability should have been made,this is how clubs with a can do,must do mentality work,not a shoulder shrug and "poor old us again".
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who's doing the latter?? Or are you just enjoying imagining that things might turn out bad?

 

[Booker4]

Yup

Where's that come from just out of interest? Surely, unless he goes on the final day we'll be able to find a replacement, that's if we don't consider others already in the squad as being able to fill the pot; not that there is anyone who will do what Berge does as well, because he is a unique player that is for sure.

 

[Blacksea]

who's doing the latter?? Or are you just enjoying imagining that things might turn out bad?

who's doing the latter?? Or are you just enjoying imagining that things might turn out bad?

I already quoted the negative talk coming out if he got sold,our rivals seem to think the opposite.

 

[Greasy Chap Butty]

I already quoted the negative talk coming out if he got sold,our rivals seem to think the opposite.

So a decent club, would have a quality alternative on standby, that won't go anywhere else except us, then come deadline day, we'll give him the nod, or tell him hard luck?
Do you really think players would go for that, and that's what all these other clubs do??

 

[Champagneblade]

That's all it's is though 'best alternative ' , which would really be somebody who was ok to play in that position.
Doesn't mean they are paid to find a like for like quality alternative for less money.

There isn’t a like for like. The only midfield player anywhere near his build and age range just signed for Everton.

 

[Blacksea]

So a decent club, would have a quality alternative on standby, that won't go anywhere else except us, then come deadline day, we'll give him the nod, or tell him hard luck?
Do you really think players would go for that, and that's what all these other clubs do??

Nothing to do with standby,you have a list of possible players and start to make enquiries about availability,should already have started happening this summer.

 

[CopenhagenBlade]

Do we not feel that the squad that we have is good enough to get up even if Berge does leave? We might not be as strong but it might mean Ndiaye, Khadra, Doyle and Mcatee will get more minutes

 

[Greasy Chap Butty]

Nothing to do with standby,you have a list of possible players and start to make enquiries about availability,should already have started happening this summer.

Good plan. I'll email the club.

 

[Blacksea]

Good plan. I'll email the club.

Ask them if they made any move for getting Chong on loan from Man U.
He would have been my number 1 loan target as a suitable Berge replacement if he went,and if Berge stayed he would still have been a great loan signing asset.

 

[CaptainMorgans]

Do we not feel that the squad that we have is good enough to get up even if Berge does leave? We might not be as strong but it might mean Ndiaye, Khadra, Doyle and Mcatee will get more minutes

We'd have an outside chance without him. Top six material.
With him, we're looking like the strongest team in the division.

 

[jt64]

That’s the risk we have to take, we need to get back up before the parachute payments end otherwise we could end up in a lot of shit.

Not sure why you would think this would be the case? Who is still contracted beyond 2024 who is on enormous wages? Or contracted beyond 2024 full stop? The point of parachute payments is as cover (potentially partial if you go mad like Forest/Fulham a few years back) for the wages for newly promoted teams - they can then recruit a better standard of player than they might be able to budget for otherwise in the medium term, then not get twatted 30 times a season which is in the best interests of the Premier League as a whole. They last for long enough to cover the majority, or entirety, of a player's contract, the players will generally have moved on by the time they stop. Which is exactly what we're doing?

 

[Greasy Chap Butty]

Ask them if they made any move for getting Chong on loan from Man U.
He would have been my number 1 loan target as a suitable Berge replacement if he went,and if Berge stayed he would still have been a great loan signing asset.

I'll just pass your details on. You'll have us in the Prem in next to no time, with cash to spare in the bank.

 

[Superblades]

Not sure why you would think this would be the case? Who is still contracted beyond 2024 who is on enormous wages? Or contracted beyond 2024 full stop? The point of parachute payments is as cover (potentially partial if you go mad like Forest/Fulham a few years back) for the wages for newly promoted teams - they can then recruit a better standard of player than they might be able to budget for otherwise in the medium term, then not get twatted 30 times a season which is in the best interests of the Premier League as a whole. They last for long enough to cover the majority, or entirety, of a player's contract, the players will generally have moved on by the time they stop. Which is exactly what we're doing?

Am I right in thinking we have loans on the stadium? If we don’t go up and then the parachute payments end, then players like Ndiaye will be sold to covers those and then we find ourselves looking for replacements that won’t be at his level.

 

[nopigfansintown]

Not sure why you would think this would be the case? Who is still contracted beyond 2024 who is on enormous wages? Or contracted beyond 2024 full stop? The point of parachute payments is as cover (potentially partial if you go mad like Forest/Fulham a few years back) for the wages for newly promoted teams - they can then recruit a better standard of player than they might be able to budget for otherwise in the medium term, then not get twatted 30 times a season which is in the best interests of the Premier League as a whole. They last for long enough to cover the majority, or entirety, of a player's contract, the players will generally have moved on by the time they stop. Which is exactly what we're doing?

United don't have any players on huge wages at Championship level really. Berge is believed to be the biggest earner on 35,000. The players have had 50% wage cuts when relegated and a further cut this season on what was a really low premier league wage bill (source Wilder/media) . A number of players from the premier league days have also signed new deals in the Championship (Basham, Robinson, Sharp). Baldock signed one when the relegation writing was on the wall - you'd presume his deal reflects this.

We've only made two permanent signing since relegation Anel, Davies (goalkeeper)). We do however have some youth prospects breaking into the team (Jebbo, Osula, Ndiaye, Arblaster, Gordon) and some returning loans Lowe, Coulibaly, RND, that are probably on decent contracts given their status in the game. At the end of this season we can remove Osborn, O'Connell, Sharp, Mcburnie, Fleck, Norwood, Foderingham, Robinson and Stevens from that wage bill if we so wish. We have already lost Mcgoldrick, Freeman, Verrips, Burke, Moussett, Ramsdale, Lundstram, Moore, Jagielka, Bryan and Rodwell that were on legacy Prem contracts. The loans will also go back.

The reason United didn't go big on wages is that we could reset after relegation to a post parachute world without the need for a fire sale. Having said that in an interview last year the Prince said that our plans were predicated on the sales of Ramsdale AND Berge. Whether our lack of permanent signing in the last two seasons reflect the failure to sell him, or whether we still need to sell him notwithstanding this remains to be seen. I guess we'll find out in the next week or so.

 

[jt64]

Am I right in thinking we have loans on the stadium? If we don’t go up and then the parachute payments end, then players like Ndiaye will be sold to covers those and then we find ourselves looking for replacements that won’t be at his level.

I'm sure I read that those were a completely standard thing that every club does for operational reasons?

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Do we not feel that the squad that we have is good enough to get up even if Berge does leave? We might not be as strong but it might mean Ndiaye, Khadra, Doyle and Mcatee will get more minutes

Yes which is why I believe it's a worthy of consideration at the right price.
Would I do the deal, not if I didn't have to, but if we need to Mcatee has been brought in to play and we've got Ndiaye yes we lose a lot of strength in depth by losing Berge but it's not a fatal blow which is proven out by up until this weekend people suggesting deeper midfielders or forward as the priority if we sell him. That's now changed after Saturdays performance and we're going to blow everyone away with this team regardless.

 

[Striker]

Do we not feel that the squad that we have is good enough to get up even if Berge does leave? We might not be as strong but it might mean Ndiaye, Khadra, Doyle and Mcatee will get more minutes

No

 

[bertieblade]

We have to date only borrowed money against the parachute payments, this is done primarily to assist in cash flow.
if we do not get promoted this season it is highly likely that we will have to sell some of our higher value players to enable us to fund the operation.
This is not unique to us, every club who is run efficiently does it. The alternative is to keep borrowing money and dig a big hole by continuing trading whilst unable to fund it, I.e. Wednesday, Derby, Reading etc.

 

[Westran]

 

[Bladesman]

 

[Tickhill Blade]

Fleck looks like he's been waiting a long time for that hug!

 

[Rudders]

That "The Bladesman" twitter account must spend literally many many hours every day putting out Berge leaving tweets, each one involving zero new content or actual quotes. Staggering even for the low bar of social media.
Got to be a Wednesdayite or Berge's agent?!

 

[Blade58]

Where's that come from just out of interest? Surely, unless he goes on the final day we'll be able to find a replacement, that's if we don't consider others already in the squad as being able to fill the pot; not that there is anyone who will do what Berge does as well, because he is a unique player that is for sure.

I suppose it’s cutting it too fine.
Negotiations, as we well know, can go on for weeks. I think the Reda Khadra deal demonstrated that recently