Mcburnie

[FATTYFOULKE]

Not the worst player by a long way but cost against ability and contribution he's got to be up there with the worst signings ever, if not the worst.

Without question the worst value for money signing. Add to that one of the worst attitudes IMO.

 

[LewishamBlade]

If Wolves wanted to buy him he'd be at Wolves.
He wasn't good for us in the PL. He had a few good games, at most. Half a dozen goals isn't a good return.

For us, how we played, how little we created it’s a perfectly acceptable return. Our season was built on our defence

 

[LewishamBlade]

Without question the worst value for money signing. Add to that one of the worst attitudes IMO.

I mean is he really though? He was a key part of the group that enabled us to finish 9th in the premier league. His signing was key to the squad which enabled us to gain premier league riches for another season. So was Mousset’s.

 

[El Volví]

As said above. Many on here have made their mind up before he even kicks a ball...

I think many have made their minds up by seeing him kick a ball.....into his own face!

 

[CaptainMorgans]

Disagree he's the worst pound for pound signing we've ever made and it's something also levelled at Mousset.

They have both been disappointing over a longer period of time for different reasons and the decision to release Mousset was correct, with OmB probably needing a strong six months now to avoid the same.

Between them they scored just under a third of our goals in 2019/20 (12 of 39) which led to the prize money for a top half finish plus another year's TV money before we did come down. An outlay of £28m between them for a gain of £140m (I'm not saying we'd have definitely gone down but 12 goals for a newly promoted side is hard to find) is not in bad pound for pound territory.

There is a case for Brewster at the moment as he cost upwards of £20m for no PL goals and a relegation, however I'm a big fan of him and hope this season is the start of better things for him both in his career and an SUFC shirt.

Mousset delivered on £10m.
McBurnie comes nowhere near at £20m.

Mousset, for a brief spell, was unstoppable and actually influenced the outcome of games.
McBurnie had 3 or 4 no. 8/10 performances in the PL and mostly scored goals you'd expect of a striker. The rest of the time he looked weak and ineffective.

 

[Constantly Optimistic...]

People seem to have short memories. When he was fit and playing last year we were awful as a team. He doesn't just fail to score himself, but he disrupts our attacking prowess. Remember the tackle on MGW? MGW looked on in despair as to why he was playing in the same team with this donkey. When he got injured, we were forced to find a new attacking formation. Berge no.10 and Ndaiye, MGW and Billy rotating upfront. This saved our season, gave new hope. Bringing him back now would destroy this style. He's had his chance, we have to disrupt our team to give him another? To balance this, his only use is keep him on the bench and bring him on for last 15 minutes when the game is won. He is a good disrupter, he can head well defensively. Creatively, he just doesn't have it

 

[Edgar Allan Poo]

People seem to have short memories. When he was fit and playing last year we were awful as a team. He doesn't just fail to score himself, but he disrupts our attacking prowess. Remember the tackle on MGW? MGW looked on in despair as to why he was playing in the same team with this donkey. When he got injured, we were forced to find a new attacking formation. Berge no.10 and Ndaiye, MGW and Billy rotating upfront. This saved our season, gave new hope. Bringing him back now would destroy this style. He's had his chance, we have to disrupt our team to give him another? To balance this, his only use is keep him on the bench and bring him on for last 15 minutes when the game is won. He is a good disrupter, he can head well defensively. Creatively, he just doesn't have it

Think your poster name may need a little work!

 

[Alan Birchenall's hair]

Chris Guthrie and Richard Cadette got a mention earlier in this thread. They were both wank. But both had a scoring record of around a goal every 4 games. Compared to Mcburnie, they are Ronaldo and Messi.

 

[Kozzy_is_my_Dad]

As said above. Many on here have made their mind up before he even kicks a ball...

He's had 3 years to kick a ball better

 

[ShockingBadBuy]

Others referenced Berge and Brewster and how they improved when they managed to get a run of games. It's the same for McBurnie, but none of the fans seem to want to give him the chance to do it.

Yep, difficult to disagree with this.

With the caveat that McBurnie being unavailable at the end of last season gifted us, by necessity rather than design, the most threatening forward line we’ve had in years—created, in part, by giving Sander (at last) a run of games higher up the pitch in a strikerless front 3.

If McBurnie had been fit, immediate history suggests Hecky would have continued to pick him. In that scenario we’d never have stumbled on the front 3 of Ndiaye, Berge and MGW, our forward play during those crucial games would have been significantly diminished (it hadn’t been great with McBurnie playing, immediately prior to his injury), and there’s every chance we may not have made the playoffs.

It’s all hypothetical of course. We’ve no way of knowing how the back end of last year might have played out with McBurnie in the side. But, looked at through the prism of last season’s run-in, when McCall claims today that a run of games could sort him out it raises the rather dismal spectre of us weakening the starting XI, now, out of a dogmatic belief that “McBurnie can still work”.

For me, building on the happy accident at the end of last season, there’s at least two options that are worth trying for the next few games, before defaulting to McB. 1) Berge, plus one of the Man City lads or Khadra, alongside or behind Ndiaye. 2) Sticking with what we did v Milwall.

GLTTL, obviously and always. But [adopts Warnock voice], I’m not starting McBurnie anytime soon, me.

 

[Drunk blade]

This is untrue, when not injured he is one of the hardest trainers in the squad. Moose couldn’t be arsed Burke was shocking!

Well he's doing something wrong with his training then, I watched every game he played in last season and he looked like he was blowing after 10 minutes and really struggling to run. He looked miles off the fitness levels of say billy sharp who is about 13 years older than him

 

[Klaatu Barada Nikto]

Yep, difficult to disagree with this.

With the caveat that McBurnie being unavailable at the end of last season gifted us, by necessity rather than design, the most threatening forward line we’ve had in years—created, in part, by giving Sander (at last) a run of games higher up the pitch in a strikerless front 3.

If McBurnie had been fit, immediate history suggests Hecky would have continued to pick him. In that scenario we’d never have stumbled on the front 3 of Ndiaye, Berge and MGW, our forward play during those crucial games would have been significantly diminished (it hadn’t been great with McBurnie playing, immediately prior to his injury), and there’s every chance we may not have made the playoffs.

It’s all hypothetical of course. We’ve no way of knowing how the back end of last year might have played out with McBurnie in the side. But, looked at through the prism of last season’s run-in, when McCall claims today that a run of games could sort him out it raises the rather dismal spectre of us weakening the starting XI, now, out of a dogmatic belief that “McBurnie can still work”.

For me, building on the happy accident at the end of last season, there’s at least two options that are worth trying for the next few games, before defaulting to McB. 1) Berge, plus one of the Man City lads or Khadra, alongside or behind Ndiaye. 2) Sticking with what we did v Milwall.

GLTTL, obviously and always. But [adopts Warnock voice], I’m not starting McBurnie anytime soon, me.

Exactly. If he needs a run of 90 minutes to get him up to speed, then that's what the development squad is for, not the first team where we possibly have options that can make an immediate impact.

 

[Drunk blade]

Yep, difficult to disagree with this.

With the caveat that McBurnie being unavailable at the end of last season gifted us, by necessity rather than design, the most threatening forward line we’ve had in years—created, in part, by giving Sander (at last) a run of games higher up the pitch in a strikerless front 3.

If McBurnie had been fit, immediate history suggests Hecky would have continued to pick him. In that scenario we’d never have stumbled on the front 3 of Ndiaye, Berge and MGW, our forward play during those crucial games would have been significantly diminished (it hadn’t been great with McBurnie playing, immediately prior to his injury), and there’s every chance we may not have made the playoffs.

It’s all hypothetical of course. We’ve no way of knowing how the back end of last year might have played out with McBurnie in the side. But, looked at through the prism of last season’s run-in, when McCall claims today that a run of games could sort him out it raises the rather dismal spectre of us weakening the starting XI, now, out of a dogmatic belief that “McBurnie can still work”.

For me, building on the happy accident at the end of last season, there’s at least two options that are worth trying for the next few games, before defaulting to McB. 1) Berge, plus one of the Man City lads or Khadra, alongside or behind Ndiaye. 2) Sticking with what we did v Milwall.

GLTTL, obviously and always. But [adopts Warnock voice], I’m not starting McBurnie anytime soon, me.

The reading game stands out for me, worst performance of the season, McBurnie waddled about doing nothing, having waddled about doing nothing for a run of games before that in which from memory we didn't score, certainly McBurnie didn't.

From memory Ndiaye came off the bench for about 5 mins at the end and scored (having been given very little game Time previously due to McBurnie being picked ahead of him)

Had McBurnie stayed 'fit' we would have finished about 12th and Ndaiye would probably still be a sub/under 21s player

 

[Stevo]

He just needs a run in the team, just needs the right boots, just needs a new beard......blah blah blah, I just need a 9 inch cock to be a lothario in the bedroom, but guess what.........real talented players just turn up and do the business, for the money we spent that's what we should be getting,.not someone that constantly needs nurturing and babied all of the time, I don't wish ill on him at all, but I feel he offers nothing to our starting 11 and needs to be loaned out with a decision to be made long term in the Jan window

 

[Smirth]

He becomes a problem when he's back fit as the management team will put him ahead of Jebbison in the pecking order based on his experience and past record with Swansea and Barnsley at this level which is frankly completely irrelevant to where we are at now. That then stalls Jebbison's development if he doesn't go out on loan which is looking unlikely at the moment.

The right way to go about it is to demote him to fourth choice, which is where he ought to be based on his performances over the past 2 seasons. It's then up to him to bust a gut in training to try and move up the pecking order and to be ready to take his chance as and when it arrives, which it will. He shouldn't be higher in the pecking order based on his age, transfer fee and squad status - but I fear he will be from the noises which Heckingbottom and McCall have made about him.

The sooner his contract expires the better because barring his first season with us, hit has been a disastrous transfer for all parties.

 

[LJBlade]

He becomes a problem when he's back fit as the management team will put him ahead of Jebbison in the pecking order based on his experience and past record with Swansea and Barnsley at this level which is frankly completely irrelevant to where we are at now. That then stalls Jebbison's development if he doesn't go out on loan which is looking unlikely at the moment.

The right way to go about it is to demote him to fourth choice, which is where he ought to be based on his performances over the past 2 seasons. It's then up to him to bust a gut in training to try and move up the pecking order and to be ready to take his chance as and when it arrives, which it will. He shouldn't be higher in the pecking order based on his age, transfer fee and squad status - but I fear he will be from the noises which Heckingbottom and McCall have made about him.

The sooner his contract expires the better because barring his first season with us, hit has been a disastrous transfer for all parties.

The management team will select whichever player they feel deserves the shirt, they won't play someone 'just because...'.

 

[secretchief]

Currently Brewster is the worst pound for pound signing we have made, with a goals per game ratio comparable to McBurnie, and costing more. He tends to get a lot more slack for various reasons, some more justified that others. Mousset isn't anywhere near that conversation. He went at roughly a goal every five games. The others are closer to one in 12.

 

[coolasanidiot]

Currently Brewster is the worst pound for pound signing we have made, with a goals per game ratio comparable to McBurnie, and costing more. He tends to get a lot more slack for various reasons, some more justified that others. Mousset isn't anywhere near that conversation. He went at roughly a goal every five games. The others are closer to one in 12.

Brewster get this Slack because

He can run properly
He can shoot with power
He can dribble
He can close down
He doesn't throw himself to the ground and wave his arms about like a big baby

Both have been appalling but one gives a glimmer of hope, the other ZILCH

 

[Champagneblade]

I think OMB has good traits, he's a lot quicker than he gets credit for and he does try (I won't go there and use shift).

But, he never gets in the right position like sharp, can't turn and shoot like brewster, and wouldn't be able to round the keeper and pass it in the net like berge...

Also, Saturday if he'd ran onto that pass where n'dyie scored, he would have ended up on the floor waving his arms looking at the ref, and if by a miracle he wasn't on the floor, he wouldn't have finished the chance.


I say he's had his chance, and should only be on the bench to shore up defence and help close games out by pressing the opposition..

Not a goalscorer... Sorry mate.. And we shouldn't stifle the young lads progress to appease him, loan him out for me if he gets frustrated..

And the shout for a free transfer to rangers, that's a rumour among rangers fans already....

If you want to compare McBurnie and Sharp, look no further than the opening goal of our first Prem season at Bournemouth.

McBurnie completely fluffed his lines when the ball got put across and Sharp reacted to what was barely a chance by sticking it away intuitively.

Look at the goal Billy scored at home vs West Brom. Billy had it in the net in a split second. It barely registered as even being a chance. McBurnie would have still been getting it out of his feet by the time Billy was wheeling away in celebration.

We wasted two good years of Sharp getting him to play second fiddle to others who couldn't hit a barn door if they stood inside it. No idea why Wilder had a constant hard on for sidelining Billy.

We'd have been better improving the midfield to make sure the flow of chances continued because Billy has took them whenever they were provided.

It's very simplistic when you need more goals to think therefore we should get more strikers. You need better midfielders to create better chances and more frequently.

 

[Andy67]

Well he's doing something wrong with his training then, I watched every game he played in last season and he looked like he was blowing after 10 minutes and really struggling to run. He looked miles off the fitness levels of say billy sharp who is about 13 years older than him

Whatever view you might have on him what I state are facts. He’s been injured and it affects us fitness. His attitude is excellent in training otherwise he would be shunned by current players and shoved out of club by management team. Burke couldn’t be arsed to play football hence performances. Moose great kid too unprofessional at this level fitness etc. what surprises me is that if these players were lazy and had bad attitudes the players and management team would accept it.

 

[Yellarbellyblade]

Disagree he's the worst pound for pound signing we've ever made and it's something also levelled at Mousset.

They have both been disappointing over a longer period of time for different reasons and the decision to release Mousset was correct, with OmB probably needing a strong six months now to avoid the same.

Between them they scored just under a third of our goals in 2019/20 (12 of 39) which led to the prize money for a top half finish plus another year's TV money before we did come down. An outlay of £28m between them for a gain of £140m (I'm not saying we'd have definitely gone down but 12 goals for a newly promoted side is hard to find) is not in bad pound for pound territory.

There is a case for Brewster at the moment as he cost upwards of £20m for no PL goals and a relegation, however I'm a big fan of him and hope this season is the start of better things for him both in his career and an SUFC shirt.

When you say pound for pound you do mean money not weight don’t you?

 

[DronnieBlade]

If you want to compare McBurnie and Sharp, look no further than the opening goal of our first Prem season at Bournemouth.

McBurnie completely fluffed his lines when the ball got put across and Sharp reacted to what was barely a chance by sticking it away intuitively.

Look at the goal Billy scored at home vs West Brom. Billy had it in the net in a split second. It barely registered as even being a chance. McBurnie would have still been getting it out of his feet by the time Billy was wheeling away in celebration.

We wasted two good years of Sharp getting him to play second fiddle to others who couldn't hit a barn door if they stood inside it. No idea why Wilder had a constant hard on for sidelining Billy.

We'd have been better improving the midfield to make sure the flow of chances continued because Billy has took them whenever they were provided.

It's very simplistic when you need more goals to think therefore we should get more strikers. You need better midfielders to create better chances and more frequently.

This ^^^^^

Controversial opinion. Sharp would bag 15-20 goals in the better PL teams.

Been badly short changed by Wilder.

Badly.

UTB.

 

[Kozzy_is_my_Dad]

Brewster get this Slack because

He can run properly
He can shoot with power
He can dribble
He can close down
He doesn't throw himself to the ground and wave his arms about like a big baby

Both have been appalling but one gives a glimmer of hope, the other ZILCH

I think this is part of the issue, for each of our strikers, you can name their flaws but you can still name what they bring to the table.


Sharp:
Reliable to bag several a season
Leads the line and holds it up well
Right place, right time
Shitehouses like a good 'un

Even when Didz was here:
Never hides away
Links midfield with attack
Opens up chances others can't
Reyt engine, tracks back

McBurnie, I'm struggling.
Wins aerial duels?

 

[Drunk blade]

Whatever view you might have on him what I state are facts. He’s been injured and it affects us fitness. His attitude is excellent in training otherwise he would be shunned by current players and shoved out of club by management team. Burke couldn’t be arsed to play football hence performances. Moose great kid too unprofessional at this level fitness etc. what surprises me is that if these players were lazy and had bad attitudes the players and management team would accept it.

Footballers get injured all the time and most of them don't come back with the fitness of someone whose spent 2 months boozing in magaluf

What major injuries has he had? its not like he's broken a leg or done knee ligaments, wasn't one of the long term injuries when he put his shoulder out doing a daft dive after pretending to be fouled and i also heard another month or so was because he got pinged as being in contact with someone with covid twice and hadn't been jabbed

 

[JayGreen17]

He needs loaning out, hopefully get some goals and prove some of his worth and flog him at the next available opportunity

 

[El Volví]

He needs loaning out, hopefully get some goals and prove some of his worth and flog him at the next available opportunity

I wonder if Watford would be interested do he can fuck up their promotion chances?

 

[El Volví]

Footballers get injured all the time and most of them don't come back with the fitness of someone whose spent 2 months boozing in magaluf

What major injuries has he had? its not like he's broken a leg or done knee ligaments, wasn't one of the long term injuries when he put his shoulder out doing a daft dive after pretending to be fouled and i also heard another month or so was because he got pinged as being in contact with someone with covid twice and hadn't been jabbed

McBurnie is an injury waiting to happen.

 

[El Volví]

Whatever view you might have on him what I state are facts. He’s been injured and it affects us fitness. His attitude is excellent in training otherwise he would be shunned by current players and shoved out of club by management team. Burke couldn’t be arsed to play football hence performances. Moose great kid too unprofessional at this level fitness etc. what surprises me is that if these players were lazy and had bad attitudes the players and management team would accept it.

If you want facts try 7 goals in 87 appearances for the Blades since 2019!

 

[El Volví]

He just needs a run in the team, just needs the right boots, just needs a new beard......blah blah blah, I just need a 9 inch cock to be a lothario in the bedroom, but guess what.........real talented players just turn up and do the business, for the money we spent that's what we should be getting,.not someone that constantly needs nurturing and babied all of the time, I don't wish ill on him at all, but I feel he offers nothing to our starting 11 and needs to be loaned out with a decision to be made long term in the Jan window

He's actually detrimental to the team when he has played!

 

[shorehamview]

Let’s imagine you’ve spent a small fortune on a racehorse.

It does okay in its first year, it wins some races and is well placed in others. The next year, it’s not so good. It can barely get to the finishing line in contention, it gets injured, and it bites a couple of jockeys.

The third season is even worse than the second. The once lovely horse shits all over the place, hardly runs a race and when it does it’s got all on to actually run in the right direction. It tries to shag everything in the yard - lady horses, gentleman horses, a goat, the stable boy, everything. And it cannot run anymore and still keeps biting people.

Now you have yourself some tough decisions to make. Do you persist with the horse, do you lend it to someone who might just get it to behave and run races, or do you cut your losses and sell it to the local French butcher who assure you it will be “Très délicieux” in the hands of his mate who happens to be a chef?

I’d be looking up horse recipes.