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Given that we have huge divisions of opinion on here regarding Monty and the fact that Macca has been making us tick through the middle of midfield in the last few weeks. Is it now time to make use of the emergency loan system?

Not just for the pigs game, but between now and the end of March we have 10 games (in 5 weeks)

So even if Macca comes back within a week or so, then the chances are that Macca/ Doyle/Monty/ Willo will be feeling it even if they don't pick up a few knocks and strains.

So who do we go for?

Riise was rumoured but he's a winger more than Centre mid. But we also need to look at Centre Half back up
 



I'd be happy with a winger for either flank. That would allow Willo or Quinny to move inside needed.

More pace can never hurt either.
 
No doubt DW will have some targets already lined up - should we need them in a real emergency.

The last thing we need now is to bring in expensive loanees 'just in case' who could disturb the togetherness of the squad.

We should have learned from last season. Maybe, since the majority of teams in this division are nothing special, we can manage with our squad players and youngsters.
 
Still think we need cover at Centre back, however we can use Ertl, there or move LJF across and bring Williams in, but prefer some real experienced CB, just in case.
 
broomhillblade said:
No doubt DW will have some targets already lined up - should we need them in a real emergency.

The last thing we need now is to bring in expensive loanees 'just in case' who could disturb the togetherness of the squad.

We should have learned from last season. Maybe, since the majority of teams in this division are nothing special, we can manage with our squad players and youngsters.
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The problem is though, that we've lost our ball playing midfielder, so perhaps now is that time.

30 points to play for and hamstrings (if that gets confirmed with Macca) take anything from 1 weeks to 1 month even in a good case
 
I would think that ball playing midfielders who would slot seamlessly into the team are not that easy to get hold of on loan.
 
broomhillblade said:
I would think that ball playing midfielders who would slot seamlessly into the team are not that easy to get hold of on loan.
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Without wanting to sound arsey, thats kind of the point of the thread.
a) Do we stick with what we have (Monty, Willo etc) - are they good enough?
b) Do we look for a loanee?

If b), then who is available/ better than what we have?

Does it have to be someone that fits in seamlessly? or do they just have to be better than the players that we have now?

They don't have to be better/ as good as Macca, just better than Monty/ Willo/ Quinn
 
Grecian2000 said:
Now is the time for me.

Gutted to see KMc leave the field on Saturday. We have the momentum, we can't waste it by giving the Doyle/Monty axis another go and changing the whole philosophy.
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Disagree. Bringing in someone else, who isn't likely to be better than what we have, isn't going to solve anything and may even work against us. What would Monty & Ertl think if someone else was brought in ahead of them. Look how Bostock has done at the pigs, and that is the type of signing we'd be looking at, eg. a young, inexperienced reserve team player.

Monty and Ertl would walk into the vast majority of teams in this league, and if they aren't considered creative enough, then get David McAllister back from Shrewsbury and give him a go.

We don't need to waste wages on someone that could completely knacker the momentum. Remember what Ade Akinbiyi and Garry Flitcroft did when we brought them in to get us over the line last time!
 
SE1Blade said:
Remember what Ade Akinbiyi and Garry Flitcroft did when we brought them in to get us over the line last time!
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I certainly remember what Akinbiyi did against this weekend's opposition!

Though yeah, I take your point.
 
SouthEssexBlade said:
I think that is the point of Big Davie being at the club!
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But is he still here, I know he was training with us, but since then it is quiet, is he still training, is he coming down to Sheffield every week just to train. He could proabley get a place at Hibs after yesterdays display if he wanted it.

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SouthEssexBlade said:
I think that is the point of Big Davie being at the club!
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But is he still here, I know he was training with us, but since then it is quiet, is he still training, is he coming down to Sheffield every week just to train. He could proabley get a place at Hibs after yesterdays display if he wanted it.
 
I was so looking forward to Macca running the game on Sunday but if it is a Hammy then he needs to be rested. No point in aggrevating it and him missing 3-6 more games just cos we want to spank the Wendy. There should be enough in the squad to get a result there but derby games are no followers of form so a positive result is by no means a given.

If Macca was playing I would have been quietly confident of turning them over with a big result if things go our way early doors. As it is I would be delighted with a scruffy 1-0 win - expect the porcine to bash ten tonnes of shit out of us to put us out of our stride as one of the automatics.
 



Any news on K Mac? A lot of it comes down to this. He is absolutely crucial to us playing so well.

Don't get me wrong, I think we can do ok without him. Monty and Doyle could do a job (particularly away from home) and Ertl and Doyle would be ok for a few games. We really need McDonald back though. If we're going to keep possession the way we do, then he is key. I think we've got enough fire power in Ched and quality in other areas (Flynn, Willo, Lowton and Quinn) to get by for a few games. However, we'll need K Mac. Perosnally I think we are ok with what we have. That said, I have been saying we need a winger for ages. Someone to add some pace and put a rocket up Quinn's arse. We could put Quinn (or Willo) inside and play two proper wingers.

I am itching to hear news about K Mac's injury though. Anyone heard owt?
 
Is Harriott still at the club? I thought he did a very similar job for the kids last season and looked capable of handling himself pre season.

UTB
 
Doyle
Williamson
Quinn
Monty
Ertl
McAllister (recall)
Lowton
Flynn
Harriott
Whitehouse

are our options in central midfield, so would we be able to convince anyone that we're in an ermergency?
 
I’ve taken the liberty of updating Darren’s “Midfield Pairing” statistics from earlier in the season:-

Doyle/McAllister P3 W2 D1 L0 pts 7 PPG = 2.33
Monty/Doyle P6 W4 D1 L1 Pts 13 PPG = 2.17
Monty/McDonald P7 W4 D3 L0 pts 15 PPG = 2.14
Doyle/McDonald P13 W9 D0 L4 Pts 27 PPG = 2.07
Doyle/Williamson P1 L1 pts 0 PPG = 0.00

Monty started P13 W8 D4 L1 Pts 28 PPG = 2.15

When Monty has played we’ve averaged well over 2.15 points a game. So there’s clearly no desperate need for an “emergency” loan player.
Williamson has hardly featured in central midfield, so Wilson obviously doesn’t see that as his best position.
If McDonald is fit in time for Hillsborough, he will quite rightly be selected to start.
If he’s not fit, Monty will start and there’s really no need to hunt desperately around for an alternative.
 
Just tell them it's reached the stage where we're having to consider Monty. That should be enough to alert Police, Fire Brigade, Air Ambulance, Coastguard, The Scarborough Lifeboat, The National Guard, SAS, Red Cross, Greenpeace, The Samaritans, Pet Rescue, Superman, Shane, The Captain and Crew of the Starship Enterprise, Popeye, the IMF...
 
I'd be interested to know who the opposition were for all of those pairings. I can't help but wonder if they might be skewed in any way. Like for example, if Monty only played against the type of lower-half-of-the-table team that we've been spanking regularly. After all, bare stats don't tell the full story.

Ask Olle.
 
moDtheGod said:
I'd be interested to know who the opposition were for all of those pairings. I can't help but wonder if they might be skewed in any way. Like for example, if Monty only played against the type of lower-half-of-the-table team that we've been spanking regularly. After all, bare stats don't tell the full story.

Ask Olle.
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Agreed. Always remember, there are lies, damn lies, and statistics.
 
moDtheGod said:
I'd be interested to know who the opposition were for all of those pairings. I can't help but wonder if they might be skewed in any way. Like for example, if Monty only played against the type of lower-half-of-the-table team that we've been spanking regularly. After all, bare stats don't tell the full story.
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Midfield pairings against the top six only:-

Monty/McDonald P2 W1 D1 L0 Pts 4 PPG=2.00
Doyle/McDonald P3 W1 L2 Pts 3 PPG=1.00
Doyle/Williamson P1 W0 L1 Pts 0 PPG=0.00
Doyle/Monty P1 W0 L1 Pts 0 PPG=0.00

Monty played P3 W1 D1 L1 Pts 4 PPG=1.33
Total matches P7 W2 D1 L3 Pts 7 PPG=1.00

Conclusion. Our results have been better against the top teams when Monty has played. Play McDonald if he's fit. No need to worry unduly if he's not.
 
Sothall_Blade said:
Midfield pairings against the top six only:-

Monty/McDonald P2 W1 D1 L0 Pts 4 PPG=2.00
Doyle/McDonald P3 W1 L2 Pts 3 PPG=1.00
Doyle/Williamson P1 W0 L1 Pts 0 PPG=0.00
Doyle/Monty P1 W0 L1 Pts 0 PPG=0.00

Monty played P3 W1 D1 L1 Pts 4 PPG=1.33
Total matches P7 W2 D1 L3 Pts 7 PPG=1.00

Conclusion. Our results have been better against the top teams when Monty has played. Play McDonald if he's fit. No need to worry unduly if he's not.
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Does that include Saturday, I think Macca only played 30 mins didn't he?
 
SwissBlade said:
Does that include Saturday, I think Macca only played 30 mins didn't he?
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He did and it was 0-0 when he went off, that's why I counted it as Doyle/Monty in the full table. Preston aren't top six.
Incidentally, it seems most people have a preference for Doyle/Williamson on Saturday and against Wednesday.
The only time Wilson has started with that pairing was for 45 minutes against Huddersfield. We conceded 3 goals and Williamson was taken off.
That gives us an insight into why he prefers Monty, who has got the results for him.
Why would he gamble with a barely used and previously unsuccessful partnership?
 



Sothall_Blade said:
Conclusion. Our results have been better against the top teams when Monty has played. Play McDonald if he's fit. No need to worry unduly if he's not.
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Hmm. Don't we need to do it for them all? You would expect us to lose more points against the top six teams than the other seventeen, regardless of who is playing. Plus it's a much smaller sample size.
 
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