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.....you will always be scabs. Your scabby parents or scabby grandparents were vilified for deserting their fellow workers who went through hell to fight for their jobs while your scumbags refused to join the cause and caused a huge rift between the mining community. Some may say that it's "All in the past" or that "It was nothing to do with me". Well that doesn't wash with me. I saw first hand at Orgreave how the mining community stood as one in the face of police violence , orchestrated by Thatcher, and went through months of poverty and extreme hardship. Scab breeds scab, so shame on you all!
 



.....you will always be scabs. Your scabby parents or scabby grandparents were vilified for deserting their fellow workers who went through hell to fight for their jobs while your scumbags refused to join the cause and caused a huge rift between the mining community. Some may say that it's "All in the past" or that "It was nothing to do with me". Well that doesn't wash with me. I saw first hand at Orgreave how the mining community stood as one in the face of police violence , orchestrated by Thatcher, and went through months of poverty and extreme hardship. Scab breeds scab, so shame on you all!
I remember it well and you are spot on they scabbed and they will always be scabs
 
Whereas this here forum is about football, not axes to grind about an ill-informed, and ill-conceived industrial dispute nearly forty years ago, the outcome of which was a fait accompli anyway and basically weaponised working class individuals mired in a doomed industry.

Try to understand that coal mining - Scargill, Thatcher, McGregor or not - would still be over now anyway given it's horrendous footprint on the environment. What happened in 1984-85 was merely a coup de grace which should have happened a decade earlier when the unions crippled this country more than Thatcher ever would.

pommpey
 
Whereas this here forum is about football, not axes to grind about an ill-informed, and ill-conceived industrial dispute nearly forty years ago, the outcome of which was a fait accompli anyway and basically weaponised working class individuals mired in a doomed industry.

Try to understand that coal mining - Scargill, Thatcher, McGregor or not - would still be over now anyway given it's horrendous footprint on the environment. What happened in 1984-85 was merely a coup de grace which should have happened a decade earlier when the unions crippled this country more than Thatcher ever would.

pommpey
Pains me to agree with you, but I do. Totally.
The mining industry was basically shafting the country right up the arse to the neck vertebrae, and needed a dose of reality, which it got.
Thatcher doing it was incidental, and yes I agree there may have been a huge dose of "fuck the working class" from her that's made the hatred for her reverberate down labour class generation's till this day, but it was needed.
Scargill was a fucking tool.
As for the whole scab thing, it's like Wednesday still harking on about being in Europe and having 600'000'000 fans on the kop at every game. No one under 30 experienced or can speak of it like they were there.
Sorry Fred, but I won't be investing and I'm oot. :/
 
.....you will always be scabs. Your scabby parents or scabby grandparents were vilified for deserting their fellow workers who went through hell to fight for their jobs while your scumbags refused to join the cause and caused a huge rift between the mining community. Some may say that it's "All in the past" or that "It was nothing to do with me". Well that doesn't wash with me. I saw first hand at Orgreave how the mining community stood as one in the face of police violence , orchestrated by Thatcher, and went through months of poverty and extreme hardship. Scab breeds scab, so shame on you all!

Yeah so if we can can perform better than we did on Saturday then we've got half a chance at the City Ground.*

*Just trying to keep it football related.
 
This whole scab thing. Before my time as I was born in January 1984 but i think it's ridiculous. Don't get me wrong, living at that time must have been horrible and Margeret Thatcher had a lot to answer for but here goes...

Didn't the people of Nottingham "scabs" say that they would strike if the majority voted for a strike? There was no vote so carried on to work. (Correct me if i'm wrong??!?)

Then... I know two people from Sheffield, one of which is a friend of the family and the other works with me, here are their stories from that time...

1 - As there was no coal, my mate went to the woods to get somewood for the fire. He would do this every morning with his friend. He was on strike like the rest of the Sheffield folk. One morning a neighbour saw him leaving his home early doors (going to get wood again) and thought, he's going to work the scab. Later that day he went into the pub and everybody in there had a go calling him a scab etc. and he got his head caved in. He then thought fuck it, i may aswell go back to work then.

2 - Other mates dad was a miner and was on strike. It came down to the point when he had no electricity or gas. They could barely afford to feed the kids and so he made the choice to go back to work as his family needed the money to actually live. He would get pelted with stones from his neighbours every day and had their windows put through on the house. They boarded the windows up and they got kicked in. If he hadn't gone back to work, who knows what would've happened to him and his family. My mate used to get beat everyday at school.

So tell me - are those Sheffielders scabs?

If you can no longer provide for your family and keep a roof over your heads then you have failed one of the most important tasks in life.. But hey, they're only fucking scabs!!
 
.....you will always be scabs. Your scabby parents or scabby grandparents were vilified for deserting their fellow workers who went through hell to fight for their jobs while your scumbags refused to join the cause and caused a huge rift between the mining community. Some may say that it's "All in the past" or that "It was nothing to do with me". Well that doesn't wash with me. I saw first hand at Orgreave how the mining community stood as one in the face of police violence , orchestrated by Thatcher, and went through months of poverty and extreme hardship. Scab breeds scab, so shame on you all!
Remind me of the result of the vote that was held to decide whether ir not the miners weto go on strike !
 
.....you will always be scabs. Your scabby parents or scabby grandparents were vilified for deserting their fellow workers who went through hell to fight for their jobs while your scumbags refused to join the cause and caused a huge rift between the mining community. Some may say that it's "All in the past" or that "It was nothing to do with me". Well that doesn't wash with me. I saw first hand at Orgreave how the mining community stood as one in the face of police violence , orchestrated by Thatcher, and went through months of poverty and extreme hardship. Scab breeds scab, so shame on you all!

Who’s bothered it’s not the 1970’s and the majority of people who were involved will be 60/70+
 
I'm not fussed if it's political or not. I hate these bastards with a passion, second only to my hatred of the pigs. Even Leeds don't come close, so I'm happy to jump on board any bashing of these entitled twats, physical or otherwise. Scab cunts they are, all of them.
 



This whole scab thing. Before my time as I was born in January 1984 but i think it's ridiculous. Don't get me wrong, living at that time must have been horrible and Margeret Thatcher had a lot to answer for but here goes...

Didn't the people of Nottingham "scabs" say that they would strike if the majority voted for a strike? There was no vote so carried on to work. (Correct me if i'm wrong??!?)

Then... I know two people from Sheffield, one of which is a friend of the family and the other works with me, here are their stories from that time...

1 - As there was no coal, my mate went to the woods to get somewood for the fire. He would do this every morning with his friend. He was on strike like the rest of the Sheffield folk. One morning a neighbour saw him leaving his home early doors (going to get wood again) and thought, he's going to work the scab. Later that day he went into the pub and everybody in there had a go calling him a scab etc. and he got his head caved in. He then thought fuck it, i may aswell go back to work then.

2 - Other mates dad was a miner and was on strike. It came down to the point when he had no electricity or gas. They could barely afford to feed the kids and so he made the choice to go back to work as his family needed the money to actually live. He would get pelted with stones from his neighbours every day and had their windows put through on the house. They boarded the windows up and they got kicked in. If he hadn't gone back to work, who knows what would've happened to him and his family. My mate used to get beat everyday at school.

So tell me - are those Sheffielders scabs?

If you can no longer provide for your family and keep a roof over your heads then you have failed one of the most important tasks in life.. But hey, they're only fucking scabs!!

It's a shame I can only give you one "like".
 
Have you heard of the phrase

It's better to keep your mouth shut and let people think you're stupid, than open it and prove that's the case?

That's you that is.

Why is it’s we live in 2022 I don’t think it’s appropriate to sing about stuff like that I’m sure we have plenty of united fans from Nottingham 🤷‍♂️
 
Why do you feel the need to comment on something you obviously know nothing about?
 
That would be me then, thanks for writing me off. They didn't need a vote 99 percent were solidly behind the strike, Scargill said that their plan was to close all the pits that turned out to be right thanks in part to those scabby bastards .
 
Okay so couple of things
Firstly I have the pleasure of living and working in Nottingham so I can attest to the view that whereas the county fans are pretty much salt of the Earth in my experience, the degree of entitlement expressed by the massive forest fans is only second to the truffle snorters north of Sheffield
I have also witnessed the bad behaviour of the forest fans on many occasions when going to and from the ground or being sat in the away stand with piss in plastic bags being lobbed on my head along with spit etc
Consequently it is pretty much the only ground where I always wear a wide brimmed hat
Also I have seen crap behaviour that some of their fans engage in at the lane many times.
As such, whilst it is a minority of their fans and we have our own unhelpful minority, I sincerely hope that somehow we get a result tomorrow to shut up these loudmouths and no trousers once and for all
But having said that, in relation to the scab business, there may be an irony.
I lived through that time, but was not a miner nor did I live in a mining community, but my understanding is that a large portion of the Nottinghamshire miners involved were from pits in the very north of Nottinghamshire and my understanding is that many of them would have been blades actually
Certainly we have long-standing blades supporting groups in those areas.
That’s my understanding anyway and accept I could be completely off target.
 
This whole scab thing. Before my time as I was born in January 1984 but i think it's ridiculous. Don't get me wrong, living at that time must have been horrible and Margeret Thatcher had a lot to answer for but here goes...

Didn't the people of Nottingham "scabs" say that they would strike if the majority voted for a strike? There was no vote so carried on to work. (Correct me if i'm wrong??!?)

Then... I know two people from Sheffield, one of which is a friend of the family and the other works with me, here are their stories from that time...

1 - As there was no coal, my mate went to the woods to get somewood for the fire. He would do this every morning with his friend. He was on strike like the rest of the Sheffield folk. One morning a neighbour saw him leaving his home early doors (going to get wood again) and thought, he's going to work the scab. Later that day he went into the pub and everybody in there had a go calling him a scab etc. and he got his head caved in. He then thought fuck it, i may aswell go back to work then.

2 - Other mates dad was a miner and was on strike. It came down to the point when he had no electricity or gas. They could barely afford to feed the kids and so he made the choice to go back to work as his family needed the money to actually live. He would get pelted with stones from his neighbours every day and had their windows put through on the house. They boarded the windows up and they got kicked in. If he hadn't gone back to work, who knows what would've happened to him and his family. My mate used to get beat everyday at school.

So tell me - are those Sheffielders scabs?

If you can no longer provide for your family and keep a roof over your heads then you have failed one of the most important tasks in life.. But hey, they're only fucking scabs!!
But... But... no one would go hungry because... Scargill! People sold their penny farthings to help feed their neighbours, no one went without.... I know because I was alive then
It's all lies I tell ya!
 
This whole scab thing. Before my time as I was born in January 1984 but i think it's ridiculous. Don't get me wrong, living at that time must have been horrible and Margeret Thatcher had a lot to answer for but here goes...

Didn't the people of Nottingham "scabs" say that they would strike if the majority voted for a strike? There was no vote so carried on to work. (Correct me if i'm wrong??!?)

Then... I know two people from Sheffield, one of which is a friend of the family and the other works with me, here are their stories from that time...

1 - As there was no coal, my mate went to the woods to get somewood for the fire. He would do this every morning with his friend. He was on strike like the rest of the Sheffield folk. One morning a neighbour saw him leaving his home early doors (going to get wood again) and thought, he's going to work the scab. Later that day he went into the pub and everybody in there had a go calling him a scab etc. and he got his head caved in. He then thought fuck it, i may aswell go back to work then.

2 - Other mates dad was a miner and was on strike. It came down to the point when he had no electricity or gas. They could barely afford to feed the kids and so he made the choice to go back to work as his family needed the money to actually live. He would get pelted with stones from his neighbours every day and had their windows put through on the house. They boarded the windows up and they got kicked in. If he hadn't gone back to work, who knows what would've happened to him and his family. My mate used to get beat everyday at school.

So tell me - are those Sheffielders scabs?

If you can no longer provide for your family and keep a roof over your heads then you have failed one of the most important tasks in life.. But hey, they're only fucking scabs!!

I had the luxury - like most on here - of witnessing the unions abusing their privilege and duty to workers they represent in the 1970s. It was they who gave us the three day week, blackouts, the collapse of the Heath government, the strong-arming of the Callaghan administration into the dismal Winter of Discontent. It was they who gave us Thatcher, it was they who corrupted the Labour Party with militants and extended her reign just like Corbyn has given us Johnson and his bulletproof grip on power now.

Scargill was socialism's last death rattle and unfortunately it took a lot of unfortunate, grafting, decent individuals with it. He was a vainglorious, hypocritical, deluded bastard who failed in his duty to achieve universal consensus to strike, and as said, then went on to weaponise those people he claimed to represent in a civil war against the tory government and it's enforcement methods. The mining industry was a sucking black hole of economic doom, and had been for decades. He tried to use those people for political gain, not for their rights to keep working in an industry which was finished. And he failed ... and failed those poor fuckers whose lives he impoverished and wrecked. He also finished the union movement too. Reform was badly needed and inevitable.

So aligning our dismal failures against a far better football team is pathetic. Dragging deep-seated hatreds and misconceived opinions forward is similarly daft, especially when the outcomes of Thatcher's period in power saw the country stabilise and grow and eventually shift track from loss making manufacturing to profitable services. And before people start, we would be nowhere with regard competitive advantage if we'd continued in the manufacturing industries of the past. Coal, for example, was 25% more expensive than overseas sources and the steel industry, something very close to all our hearts, was being outstripped on every front by Scandinavian and far eastern imports.

pommpey
 
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They didn't need a vote 99 percent were solidly behind the strike,
You have no evidence to back this up. If Scargill was so sure of this, why didn't he have a vote ? Or was it his arrogance that got inn the way?

If he had done, and there was a vote to strike, the public may have been more sympathetic.
 
Thatcher was a cunt, now she's a dead cunt. Happy Days.

UTBFTP

Her slide into dementia was unprecedented and described as horrific, by experts.... GOOD!
Ding-dong, the witch is still dead!

And I got grief for using the word "Mongolian" in a joking context.
This places halo is slipping.
 
That would be me then, thanks for writing me off. They didn't need a vote 99 percent were solidly behind the strike, Scargill said that their plan was to close all the pits that turned out to be right thanks in part to those scabby bastards .

Um ... there was no ballot. So the strike was illegal. Universal consensus there was none. Picketing - yes, but beating people up or damaging their property because they decide to work?

What kind of fascism is that then?

pommpey
 
And I got grief for using the word "Mongolian" in a joking context.
This places halo is slipping.

Agreed. Whilst Thatcher wasn't my cup of tea, rejoicing in her declining health and death is the work of dickheads. There are worse tyrants in history to angle that opinion at.

pommpey
 



I had the luxury - like most on here - of witnessing the unions abusing their privilege and duty to workers they represent in the 1970s. It was they who gave us the three day week, blackouts, the collapse of the Heath government, the strong-arming of the Callaghan administration into the dismal Winter of Discontent. It was they who gave us Thatcher, it was they who corrupted the Labour Party with militants and extended her reign just like Corbyn has given us Johnson and his bulletproof grip on power now.

Scargill was socialism's last death rattle and unfortunately it took a lot of unfortunate, grafting, decent individuals with it. He was a vainglorious, hypocritical, deluded bastard who failed in his duty to achieve universal consensus to strike, and as said, then went on to weaponise those people he claimed to represent in a civil war against the tory government and it's enforcement methods. The mining industry was a sucking black hole of economic doom, and had been for decades. He tried to use those people for political gain, not for their rights to keep working in an industry which was finished. And he failed ... and failed those poor fuckers whose lives he impoverished and wrecked. He also finished the union movement too. Reform was badly needed and inevitable.

So aligning our dismal failures against a far better football team is pathetic. Dragging deep-seated hatreds and misconceived opinions forward is similarly daft, especially when the outcomes of Thatcher's period in power saw the country stabilise and grow and eventually shift track from loss making manufacturing to profitable services. And before people start, we would be nowhere with regard competitive advantage if we'd continued in the manufacturing industries of the past. Coal, for example, was 25% more expensive than overseas sources and the steel industry, something very close to all our hearts, was being outstripped on every front by Scandinavian and far eastern imports.

pommpey

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