My take ...

[Espania blade]

Thanks Pommp's that was so spot on - except!....I think you are too hard on Osborn, he did ok yesterday and was the only option to replace the dreadful Norwood! - sure not Prem' standard but a good character and a good and committed squad player.

Our midfield of Norwood & Fleck was dreadful, and that affected every other part of the overall display, If they are still our first choice next season I wouldn't be buying a season ticket - I wouldn't anyway as I live in Spain! - having said that I haven't missed a match (on TV) for the last three years, home or away!
Anyway, for me it was down to those two that our forward players received no service, and of course the defence was hugely overworked, no wonder mistakes were being made! - problem is who else can you play there that can do the job they are supposed to do, they are there to protect the defence and to create attacking options, they did neither! - also Forest had done their homework so credit to them.

On a positive note Tuesday will be different, Heck'y knows he has to change the mindset (since he can't change the personnel), I wouldn't be surprised if we overturn this one, I have great faith in Heck'y I think he is a good manager he would make a good "Director of football" in the future.

If we do lose out to Forest then so be it! as much as I would like to see us promoted but if we are not then it gives the manager the chance to overhaul the squad for next season! - everything has a Silver lining!

 

[wak1889]

Do away goals count?

They do count but only the same as home goals ,

 

[Tezza1889]

In the presser on Friday hecky was already getting his excuses in place about the January window with bournmouth and forest both getting mentions for bolstering the squad in January.

The Prince has done great but he doesn't have the type of money we need to spend to bounce back (miracles aside), but we have a few shithouses masquerading as footballers who need to see our the car park in the rear view mirror one last time.

Won't name names, might hurt thier feelings or the feelings of others who may view this thread and feel differently about thier feelings and the players feelings.

 

[Grappler]

Midfield was weak yesterday, such a shame after that great showing against Fulham, seven days prior.

Where was Bash for their first goal? I would have to bring myself to look at the highlights, but that first one came from his side of goal.

Wes was not at fault for either goal, the second one in particular being bizarre.

We have no game changers on the bench, not sure bringing Jebbison on, instead of Osula, was the right thing to do, Osula is bigger, stronger, and fearless.

We have a lifeline though, thanks to Robbo heading it onto Sander's head, and it bounced in.

It's not over till the fat lady sings, we can still do it, stranger things have happened.

 

[BobblesBlade]

I think really, we can all admit that apart from a fucking miracle on Tuesday, we've peaked this season. Even if the unbelievable happens and we overcome Forest, even if we get past Luton or Huddersfield (who won't get past Forest) our future upstairs is fraught with everything we saw this afternoon, and then some. We have to start admitting that yes, the Wilder years were unbelievable but this lot - of whom many are of that era - are not good enough to wear the Premier League badge on their arms, and that freakish ninth place spot was earned by a system and players we can't identify with any more.

Sure, a packed to the rafters, noisy and wholly fucking excellent Bramall Lane was a perfect stage for us to come out and put Forest to the sword. For ten minutes it looked like we'd do exactly that. But it was sadly the same old story with the midfield playing cautious, benign football and Forest simply waiting for us to fuck up. They played exactly that game and all of their chances and goals came from us pretending we can play the Premier League game and being found out. Badly. For us to aspire to be one of them we must act like one of them and when you have a midfield who only turn up every other game, the players trusted with scoring can't do that. Since Villa away after the lockdown our story has been based on us being 'found out'. And unless we purge the last vestiges of Wilder from our system and start playing something different, talented and quick teams like Forest will always be there to make us pay. They did it in the league, they have done it in the first half of the playoffs. And I fear our trip to their ground on Tuesday may be filled with much of a muchness, with Forest just picking us off in an easy win.

Seemed to me the defence were pretty much as good as they could perform today, but were still several steps short of what was required. The menace of Johnson, Surridge and Zinkernagel were way, way ahead of what we could throw at them and credit in small heaps, some pretty key defensive notes were achieved. But on the break and closing down we are so weak and easy to snipe at. The midfield as a collective was outplayed and outmuscled. The 'threat' posed by Berge in the ten-role was mopped up and the two front men - essentially right and left side attacking midfielders were left to dig any chances out of lofted, long balls and fucked up ventures out wide.

There's too much to do on Tuesday. Unless we outplay, outmuscle and outthink Forest - who look every much that Premier League team in waiting (with about £250m of spending injected in) - we are simply turning up to fulfil the fixture. Sure, we are one down on aggregate, but we have shipped two (avoidable) away goals and look out of ideas how to take the away game to them and put them under pressure. I may be wrong, but today's team on paper was possibly the strongest we could field given injuries, and we are ninety minutes away now from HJ&SM making the mercy killings we need and some or other new owner coming in and backing their next season's challenge to top this league by some points. Today's game shows you the difference between what could be, and what is.

Foderingham 8/10: Some breathtaking saves in the first half and not to blame for either goal
Stevens 6/10: Struggled like fuck for long periods against Spence, who knew exactly what his defensive soft spots were
Robinson 7/10: I have given him 8/10 in my Fan's React because I thought he'd scored our goal. Turns out I was wrong. He still is a whole load more solid than of old and fights like fuck, despite his shortcomings. He is one for next season but never a PL player as long as my chuffer faces the deck
Egan 6/10: Made some cracking interceptions and headers throughout the game but loses an entire two points for that complacent, stupid fuck up that led to Lolley robbing him blind and their goal
Basham 8/10: Still 'Mr Dependable'. Attacked up his flank and stole yards off Forest, recovered to make the tackle. But he's slowing ... or worse still protecting an injury
Osborn 6/10: Expected more from him today. His old club and all that but still, when he gets down that wing into the crossing zone and there are options in on goal, pulling it backwards because he's not confident enough to cross on his right foot completely defeats the effort and puts us into the tippy-tappy shit out side scenarios oppositions know they can defeat us with.
Fleck 5/10: Have gone back on my Fans React score. Today he was ineffective and outplayed. Stupid yellow card too
Norwood 5/10: Back to his usual ineffective self. Some fruitless, dodgy playmaking which led directly to Forest counter-attacking. Good choice subbing him
Berge 6/10: For too long in the first and large parts of the second was basically an ineffective ball carrier, whom Forest had every plan to counter. Scored the goal. That's it.
Ndaiye 7/10: Battled hard and once again, dug the ball out of tackles. But he and ...
MGW 7/10: ... can't do it all. Both worked hard but when out midfield is not functioning, these two can't function either.

Baldock 6/10: Back with us but still thrashing about and picking up yellows
Jebbison 5/10: Did he touch the ball?
RND 5/10: Him too?

HJ&SM: 6/10: They've done well, but Forest today showed them their limitations with the players they have. The only thing we can wish for is a 0-1 result on Tuesday where we can bow out on away goals with our heads held high and ready to take the flamethrower to the rest of Wilder's framework.

pommpey

Their two goals were due to our mistakes. Cut them out we will beat em

 

[Jon Bon II]

Hecky = poor man's wilder

Blackwell = poor man's warnock

Hopefully we get taken over and don't slide back to league 1

Are you Suicidal Syd from Viz by any chance?

 

[Blade21]

Are you Suicidal Syd from Viz by any chance?

no, just pointing out we appear to be going down a very similar route to last time our decline started.

 

[Lane Ender]

I think really, we can all admit that apart from a fucking miracle on Tuesday, we've peaked this season. Even if the unbelievable happens and we overcome Forest, even if we get past Luton or Huddersfield (who won't get past Forest) our future upstairs is fraught with everything we saw this afternoon, and then some. We have to start admitting that yes, the Wilder years were unbelievable but this lot - of whom many are of that era - are not good enough to wear the Premier League badge on their arms, and that freakish ninth place spot was earned by a system and players we can't identify with any more.

Sure, a packed to the rafters, noisy and wholly fucking excellent Bramall Lane was a perfect stage for us to come out and put Forest to the sword. For ten minutes it looked like we'd do exactly that. But it was sadly the same old story with the midfield playing cautious, benign football and Forest simply waiting for us to fuck up. They played exactly that game and all of their chances and goals came from us pretending we can play the Premier League game and being found out. Badly. For us to aspire to be one of them we must act like one of them and when you have a midfield who only turn up every other game, the players trusted with scoring can't do that. Since Villa away after the lockdown our story has been based on us being 'found out'. And unless we purge the last vestiges of Wilder from our system and start playing something different, talented and quick teams like Forest will always be there to make us pay. They did it in the league, they have done it in the first half of the playoffs. And I fear our trip to their ground on Tuesday may be filled with much of a muchness, with Forest just picking us off in an easy win.

Seemed to me the defence were pretty much as good as they could perform today, but were still several steps short of what was required. The menace of Johnson, Surridge and Zinkernagel were way, way ahead of what we could throw at them and credit in small heaps, some pretty key defensive notes were achieved. But on the break and closing down we are so weak and easy to snipe at. The midfield as a collective was outplayed and outmuscled. The 'threat' posed by Berge in the ten-role was mopped up and the two front men - essentially right and left side attacking midfielders were left to dig any chances out of lofted, long balls and fucked up ventures out wide.

There's too much to do on Tuesday. Unless we outplay, outmuscle and outthink Forest - who look every much that Premier League team in waiting (with about £250m of spending injected in) - we are simply turning up to fulfil the fixture. Sure, we are one down on aggregate, but we have shipped two (avoidable) away goals and look out of ideas how to take the away game to them and put them under pressure. I may be wrong, but today's team on paper was possibly the strongest we could field given injuries, and we are ninety minutes away now from HJ&SM making the mercy killings we need and some or other new owner coming in and backing their next season's challenge to top this league by some points. Today's game shows you the difference between what could be, and what is.

Foderingham 8/10: Some breathtaking saves in the first half and not to blame for either goal
Stevens 6/10: Struggled like fuck for long periods against Spence, who knew exactly what his defensive soft spots were
Robinson 7/10: I have given him 8/10 in my Fan's React because I thought he'd scored our goal. Turns out I was wrong. He still is a whole load more solid than of old and fights like fuck, despite his shortcomings. He is one for next season but never a PL player as long as my chuffer faces the deck
Egan 6/10: Made some cracking interceptions and headers throughout the game but loses an entire two points for that complacent, stupid fuck up that led to Lolley robbing him blind and their goal
Basham 8/10: Still 'Mr Dependable'. Attacked up his flank and stole yards off Forest, recovered to make the tackle. But he's slowing ... or worse still protecting an injury
Osborn 6/10: Expected more from him today. His old club and all that but still, when he gets down that wing into the crossing zone and there are options in on goal, pulling it backwards because he's not confident enough to cross on his right foot completely defeats the effort and puts us into the tippy-tappy shit out side scenarios oppositions know they can defeat us with.
Fleck 5/10: Have gone back on my Fans React score. Today he was ineffective and outplayed. Stupid yellow card too
Norwood 5/10: Back to his usual ineffective self. Some fruitless, dodgy playmaking which led directly to Forest counter-attacking. Good choice subbing him
Berge 6/10: For too long in the first and large parts of the second was basically an ineffective ball carrier, whom Forest had every plan to counter. Scored the goal. That's it.
Ndaiye 7/10: Battled hard and once again, dug the ball out of tackles. But he and ...
MGW 7/10: ... can't do it all. Both worked hard but when out midfield is not functioning, these two can't function either.

Baldock 6/10: Back with us but still thrashing about and picking up yellows
Jebbison 5/10: Did he touch the ball?
RND 5/10: Him too?

HJ&SM: 6/10: They've done well, but Forest today showed them their limitations with the players they have. The only thing we can wish for is a 0-1 result on Tuesday where we can bow out on away goals with our heads held high and ready to take the flamethrower to the rest of Wilder's framework.

pommpey

Good read as always
It really stuck out a mile with some the Wilder old guard yesterday they are past their sell by date.
Enda was appalling if ever a game when we needed to compete in midfield Fleck and Norwood wasn’t up for it.
As for Egan I was one of his biggest fans but he needs to move on he’s lost his positional skills and his distribution is poor.

 

[Dnblade]

For me it was the final ball,or wrong option taken or we took an extra touch when we were in good positions.. Forest scored with their 2nd attack, but Bash should have stopped the ball coming across, then Osborn slips.
2nd half we had them penned in for a long period without testing the keeper,but looked in control..and then the mistake by Egan...even then the ball runs kindly for Johnson after Fleck's block.
Fair play to the players,not at our besr but they kept going and got us the Lifeline goal at the end.
Forest are excellent on the break though, and I'm not saying they didn't deserve the win, but another day we don't make those mistakes and capitalise from the good positions we got in and we'd be saying Hecky got it right.