Norwood Odds for Another on Friday.

[ChipButtyBlade]

 

[Champagneblade]

Biggest game of the season.

Get to 72 points and a few could crumble on Saturday.

Could even make Fulham a dead rubber.

 

[Blade56]

We are poor at defending a lead be it in a game or league position. Momentum is with Blackburn or Millwall. We fluffed it vs Preston, Stoke and Milwall.

I would rather see us a lot more attacking in the last third using the middle channel more and not the predictable triangles on the chalk line looking for MGW or a perfect goal. We are good at the fast passing perfect goal but not with the slow slow build up we are guilty of for 90% of the game.

All out attack like Blackburn did last night. No time to try and defend what we have, go out and ram it down QPR’s throats

 

[pommpey]

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It'll be another two years before we see another goal from Norwood.

Meanwhile there will be three hundred and fifty pointless boots of the ball to players out wide to set up some passing practice with three on fours until we give it up. Maybe he'll have a crack on goal every six games, which will warm the hands of those in the BLUT/back of the Kop.

pommpey

 

[djbaldken]

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It'll be another two years before we see another goal from Norwood.

Meanwhile there will be three hundred and fifty pointless boots of the ball to players out wide to set up some passing practice with three on fours until we give it up. Maybe he'll have a crack on goal every six games, which will warm the hands of those in the BLUT/back of the Kop.

pommpey

Probably. But how many years before McBurnie scores??????

 

[pommpey]

Probably. But how many years before McBurnie scores??????

He'll never score for us again mate. You know that. I know that. Fallowfield knows that and McBurnie knows that.

I wish him all the best in his recovery but wish also we'd just sell him to recoup what we can and both parties move on.

pommpey

 

[djbaldken]

He'll never score for us again mate. You know that. I know that. Fallowfield knows that and McBurnie knows that.

I wish him all the best in his recovery but wish also we'd just sell him to recoup what we can and both parties move on.

pommpey

You and I know that!
Doubt if Fallowfield knows it though.

His fields will always be fallow if he believes in McBurnie.

 

[Snowflake]

snort

It'll be another two years before we see another goal from Norwood.

Meanwhile there will be three hundred and fifty pointless boots of the ball to players out wide to set up some passing practice with three on fours until we give it up. Maybe he'll have a crack on goal every six games, which will warm the hands of those in the BLUT/back of the Kop.

pommpey

I know he strikes it well but to hit the Kop from Loftus Road is stretching nit a bit !!

 

[FallowfieldBlade]

Odds on Norwood losing the ball leading to a counter attack where the other team nearly score - EVENS

Odds on hecky growing a pair and dropping him for Berge - 10000/1

 

[Sheff de party]

snort

It'll be another two years before we see another goal from Norwood.

Meanwhile there will be three hundred and fifty pointless boots of the ball to players out wide to set up some passing practice with three on fours until we give it up. Maybe he'll have a crack on goal every six games, which will warm the hands of those in the BLUT/back of the Kop.

pommpey

Lol.

Those “pointless boots of the ball” led to the greatest spell in our recent history. Try and enjoy it!

 

[Balham]

We are poor at defending a lead be it in a game or league position. Momentum is with Blackburn or Millwall. We fluffed it vs Preston, Stoke and Milwall.

I would rather see us a lot more attacking in the last third using the middle channel more and not the predictable triangles on the chalk line looking for MGW or a perfect goal. We are good at the fast passing perfect goal but not with the slow slow build up we are guilty of for 90% of the game.

All out attack like Blackburn did last night. No time to try and defend what we have, go out and ram it down QPR’s throats

Blackburn have won 3 out of their last 16 (D5, L8). Millwall have won 3 of 10 (D5, L2). Not sure the momentum is particularly with either?

By comparison, we've won 6 of our last 16 (D6, L4) and 4 of our last 10 (D3, L3).

 

[pommpey]

Lol.

Those “pointless boots of the ball” led to the greatest spell in our recent history. Try and enjoy it!

Pardon?

Let's recap:

Norwood joined us in our promotion year to the PL. Although we were on the crest of a wave with regard cohesion of the squad, it's difficult to actually point to a consistent run of goals we scored which were as a result of Norwood's propensity to spray balls out wide. Much of our success came from a nexus of Fleck/Stevens/O'Connell down one flank and Baldock/Lundstram/Basham down the other with Billy and Leon being the targets. Besides 'the greatest spell' had already begun., so this was in spite of Norwood, not 'because' of it. Our success in the PL was dismally short lived because on our return from lockdown against Villa, it was clear even a struggling team such as they had done their homework and the glory days were over and done. We faltered, yet finished ninth, losing five of our remaining nine games. The following season was a fucking disaster with Norwood being a consistent weak spot which teams would easily anticipate, bypass and exploit.

So your alignment with him pinging it across the park and our brief purple patch does not hold up to scrutiny, I'm afraid. He remains a one-trick show-pony who occasionally puts on a passable performance when opposition midfields deign to allow him time and space, and even then because they know exactly what his next step is.

pommpey

 

[mattbianco1]

Blackburn have won 3 out of their last 16 (D5, L8). Millwall have won 3 of 10 (D5, L2). Not sure the momentum is particularly with either?

By comparison, we've won 6 of our last 16 (D6, L4) and 4 of our last 10 (D3, L3).

What you bringing facts out for?

 

[Geordie Blade]

Pardon?

Let's recap:

Norwood joined us in our promotion year to the PL. Although we were on the crest of a wave with regard cohesion of the squad, it's difficult to actually point to a consistent run of goals we scored which were as a result of Norwood's propensity to spray balls out wide. Much of our success came from a nexus of Fleck/Stevens/O'Connell down one flank and Baldock/Lundstram/Basham down the other with Billy and Leon being the targets. Besides 'the greatest spell' had already begun., so this was in spite of Norwood, not 'because' of it. Our success in the PL was dismally short lived because on our return from lockdown against Villa, it was clear even a struggling team such as they had done their homework and the glory days were over and done. We faltered, yet finished ninth, losing five of our remaining nine games. The following season was a fucking disaster with Norwood being a consistent weak spot which teams would easily anticipate, bypass and exploit.

So your alignment with him pinging it across the park and our brief purple patch does not hold up to scrutiny, I'm afraid. He remains a one-trick show-pony who occasionally puts on a passable performance when opposition midfields deign to allow him time and space, and even then because they know exactly what his next step is.

pommpey

Out of interest, did you listen to the One Of Our Own podcast with Mark Duffy? He said that the key to our overloads was being about to switch sides so quickly. He said that Coutts did this very well, but Norwood was another level up, which is what helped us to push on.

Obviously you and he are entitled to your different opinions, but I know which I’ll go with.

 

[Willglynning]

Pardon?

Let's recap:

Norwood joined us in our promotion year to the PL. Although we were on the crest of a wave with regard cohesion of the squad, it's difficult to actually point to a consistent run of goals we scored which were as a result of Norwood's propensity to spray balls out wide. Much of our success came from a nexus of Fleck/Stevens/O'Connell down one flank and Baldock/Lundstram/Basham down the other with Billy and Leon being the targets. Besides 'the greatest spell' had already begun., so this was in spite of Norwood, not 'because' of it. Our success in the PL was dismally short lived because on our return from lockdown against Villa, it was clear even a struggling team such as they had done their homework and the glory days were over and done. We faltered, yet finished ninth, losing five of our remaining nine games. The following season was a fucking disaster with Norwood being a consistent weak spot which teams would easily anticipate, bypass and exploit.

So your alignment with him pinging it across the park and our brief purple patch does not hold up to scrutiny, I'm afraid. He remains a one-trick show-pony who occasionally puts on a passable performance when opposition midfields deign to allow him time and space, and even then because they know exactly what his next step is.

pommpey

Norwood was in the Championship team of the season for 2018/19; and was the only one of our players to make the cut. That might not mean much in the grand scheme of things, but to make out like he was a passenger in that team is just so far removed from reality it's astounding.


I appreciate that you're blatantly and aggressively biased against Norwood, and in general seem to lack understanding on what a player in his position should be offering to a team- but you're just literally rewriting history to suit your own narrative now.

I realise expressing any of this is redundant though as you've shown time and time again that you're just entrenched in your own opinion.

 

[Balham]

What you bringing facts out for?

Because it's what I do. Triggers some but I remain unapologetic.

 

[pommpey]

Norwood was in the Championship team of the season for 2018/19; and was the only one of our players to make the cut. That might not mean much in the grand scheme of things, but to make out like he was a passenger in that team is just so far removed from reality it's astounding.
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I appreciate that you're blatantly and aggressively biased against Norwood, and in general seem to lack understanding on what a player in his position should be offering to a team- but you're just literally rewriting history to suit your own narrative now.

I realise expressing any of this is redundant though as you've shown time and time again that you're just entrenched in your own opinion.

So, because we differ in opinion, and all you have to offer is 'he made the Championship Best XI' (in a 4-4-2, LCM role where he doesn't play) for one season to counter it, I am 'blatantly and aggressively biased against Norwood', 'rewriting history to suit my own narrative' and 'entrenched in my own opinion'. huh?

I mean, let's face it. Hardly any of his pings out wide resulted in goals, or have done since that fleeting flirtation with the top. And as further evidence, once teams had done their homework after the lockdown, our system was fucked. Even Villa dealt with it, and we were meant to win that game comfortably. Furthermore, I can hardly be considered 'biased' if last season he put in such laughably shit performances in what should be a pivotal, playmaking role. I seem to remember him being either played around, or simply ran through. And his assists and goals count for such a key player were frankly dismal. Or you'll obviously correct me on what else he was meant to be doing in central midfield, apart from ball winning, tackling, running with the ball, setting up goals, making a cross which beats the fucking first man or even - gasp - scoring. Coutts managed that. So did Duffy. So did Besic.

So forgive me for 'rewriting history'. It just seems I saw a different Oliver Norwood than you. Yours obviously did all of that and the stats are wrong.

pommpey

 

[Balham]

Norwood was in the Championship team of the season for 2018/19; and was the only one of our players to make the cut. That might not mean much in the grand scheme of things, but to make out like he was a passenger in that team is just so far removed from reality it's astounding.
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I appreciate that you're blatantly and aggressively biased against Norwood, and in general seem to lack understanding on what a player in his position should be offering to a team- but you're just literally rewriting history to suit your own narrative now.

I realise expressing any of this is redundant though as you've shown time and time again that you're just entrenched in your own opinion.

That team of the season now: fair to say there was some talent in the Championship that year.

Pantilimon: currently a free agent having left Denilizspor in Turkey. Had his Forest contract terminated in September 2020 when it had 9 months to run.
James: first choice right back for current European champions Chelsea. Widely lauded as one of the best young players in his position in world football
Cooper: first choice centre half for Leeds in the Premier League
Webster: first choice centre half for Brighton in the Premier League
Pedersen: still, somehow, at Birmingham. Contract expires at the end of this season and he would be a good option to replace Stevens
Buendia: gone to Villa, £30m
Grealish: gone from Villa, £100m. Most expensive ever British player
Norwood: still at United
Lolley: still at Forest but has become a substitute following a knee injury
Abraham: £34m signing for Roma last summer, linked with a £50m+ move back to the Premier League
Jutkiewicz: still at Birmingham for whom he's scored twice this season

 

[ATL Recs]

Odds on Norwood losing the ball leading to a counter attack where the other team nearly score - EVENS

Odds on hecky growing a pair and dropping him for Berge - 10000/1

Seem to recall he did that for Huddersfield away and that worked a treat not. and the best part of our game that day came when he took Gibbs White off with 15 or so to go for Norwood thus moving Berge further forward

 

[Cheesebored]

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It'll be another two years before we see another goal from Norwood.

If he plays 2 more seasons for us or anyone else for that matter, you don't think he'll score another goal? Are you prepared to back yourself? £50 to a charity of your choice/forum says he does.

 

[ATL Recs]

Pardon?

Let's recap:

Norwood joined us in our promotion year to the PL. Although we were on the crest of a wave with regard cohesion of the squad, it's difficult to actually point to a consistent run of goals we scored which were as a result of Norwood's propensity to spray balls out wide. Much of our success came from a nexus of Fleck/Stevens/O'Connell down one flank and Baldock/Lundstram/Basham down the other with Billy and Leon being the targets. Besides 'the greatest spell' had already begun., so this was in spite of Norwood, not 'because' of it. Our success in the PL was dismally short lived because on our return from lockdown against Villa, it was clear even a struggling team such as they had done their homework and the glory days were over and done. We faltered, yet finished ninth, losing five of our remaining nine games. The following season was a fucking disaster with Norwood being a consistent weak spot which teams would easily anticipate, bypass and exploit.

So your alignment with him pinging it across the park and our brief purple patch does not hold up to scrutiny, I'm afraid. He remains a one-trick show-pony who occasionally puts on a passable performance when opposition midfields deign to allow him time and space, and even then because they know exactly what his next step is.

pommpey

You are way off the mark here bud -Norwood came in in September at the back end of the Transfer window we had started pretty poorly as you know -he made his debut against Hull in that silly cup competition and it was clear here was the replacement for Coutts that we had so missed . And so it proved pal as he was an integral part of the evolution to the system that brought some much joy that season.

 

[ATL Recs]

Norwood was in the Championship team of the season for 2018/19; and was the only one of our players to make the cut. That might not mean much in the grand scheme of things, but to make out like he was a passenger in that team is just so far removed from reality it's astounding.
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I appreciate that you're blatantly and aggressively biased against Norwood, and in general seem to lack understanding on what a player in his position should be offering to a team- but you're just literally rewriting history to suit your own narrative now.

I realise expressing any of this is redundant though as you've shown time and time again that you're just entrenched in your own opinion.

Well said mate my thoughts exactly

 

[pommpey]

You are way off the mark here bud -Norwood came in in September at the back end of the Transfer window we had started pretty poorly as you know -he made his debut against Hull in that silly cup competition and it was clear here was the replacement for Coutts that we had so missed . And so it proved pal as he was an integral part of the evolution to the system that brought some much joy that season.

'That season'

And since?

pommpey

 

[pommpey]

If he plays 2 more seasons for us or anyone else for that matter, you don't think he'll score another goal? Are you prepared to back yourself? £50 to a charity of your choice/forum says he does.

Well, he's not exactly prolific, is he? Self styled 'defensive midfielder' who is usually found sat betwixt the centre backs, receiving and then whupping it over to the wingbacks, who these days aren't in any position to turn and run or even do anything constructive with it. Meanwhile, some in the watching audience have ejaculate dribbling down their legs, even when Stevens/Osborn/Baldock/RND has lost it.

And um ... that's it. That's all we've go him for isn't it. He can't beat a man. He can't go short, move into space, receive back. He can't hit a ball on target. He can't even beat the first man from a corner (or if he does, it's sailed over everyone's heads)

Anyway, what's with this fifty says he will score shit? How about fifty on how many times he hits the ball wide and it results in nowt? How about how many times he coughs up possession with a shit, telegraphed pass? How about how many times he gets bypassed in midfield? How about how many times he hits the first man from a corner? Still confident?

pommpey

 

[Willglynning]

So, because we differ in opinion, and all you have to offer is 'he made the Championship Best XI' (in a 4-4-2, LCM role where he doesn't play) for one season to counter it, I am 'blatantly and aggressively biased against Norwood', 'rewriting history to suit my own narrative' and 'entrenched in my own opinion'. huh?

I mean, let's face it. Hardly any of his pings out wide resulted in goals, or have done since that fleeting flirtation with the top. And as further evidence, once teams had done their homework after the lockdown, our system was fucked. Even Villa dealt with it, and we were meant to win that game comfortably. Furthermore, I can hardly be considered 'biased' if last season he put in such laughably shit performances in what should be a pivotal, playmaking role. I seem to remember him being either played around, or simply ran through. And his assists and goals count for such a key player were frankly dismal. Or you'll obviously correct me on what else he was meant to be doing in central midfield, apart from ball winning, tackling, running with the ball, setting up goals, making a cross which beats the fucking first man or even - gasp - scoring. Coutts managed that. So did Duffy. So did Besic.

So forgive me for 'rewriting history'. It just seems I saw a different Oliver Norwood than you. Yours obviously did all of that and the stats are wrong.

pommpey

Well if it's stats you want- for the players you mentioned:

(These stats are just for us in the league since the 16/17 season- pretty much the defining season in terms of shaping how we'd play even up until now. But for transparency's sake, if you want to add 52 league 1 apps, 0 goals and 8 assists onto Coutts because it reinforces your argument then be my guest)

Coutts: 72 apps; 3 goals; 7 assists- (2 goals and all 7 assists were in league 1).
Besic: 9 apps; 0 goals; 0 assists- (No comment).
Duffy: 111 apps; 15 goals; 25 assists- (6 goals and 9 assists in league 1).
Norwood: 155 apps; 5 goals; 13 assists- (70 of those apps was in the premier league- with 1 goal and 1 assist over those 2 seasons).

Not a fantastic return for Norwood, at a glance- but then again a significant chunk of that was whilst we were collectively one of the worst teams there's ever been at top flight level. He has had spells where he's not been consistent enough- and he does have weaknesses, but you seem to think that he's the lynchpin of everything that goes wrong with this team and simultaneously cannot be responsible for any of the positive aspects.


All-in-all, my biggest takeaway from this is that I cannot fathom how you seem to be implying that Norwood and Duffy remotely filled the same role; and even despite this he's only scored 4 less than him if we ignore league 1.

 

[Cheesebored]

Well, he's not exactly prolific, is he? Self styled 'defensive midfielder' who is usually found sat betwixt the centre backs, receiving and then whupping it over to the wingbacks, who these days aren't in any position to turn and run or even do anything constructive with it. Meanwhile, some in the watching audience have ejaculate dribbling down their legs, even when Stevens/Osborn/Baldock/RND has lost it.

And um ... that's it. That's all we've go him for isn't it. He can't beat a man. He can't go short, move into space, receive back. He can't hit a ball on target. He can't even beat the first man from a corner (or if he does, it's sailed over everyone's heads)

Anyway, what's with this fifty says he will score shit? How about fifty on how many times he hits the ball wide and it results in nowt? How about how many times he coughs up possession with a shit, telegraphed pass? How about how many times he gets bypassed in midfield? How about how many times he hits the first man from a corner? Still confident?

pommpey

You just had to say you didn't fancy backing yourself. No hard feelings.

 

[Sheff de party]

Pardon?

Let's recap:

Norwood joined us in our promotion year to the PL. Although we were on the crest of a wave with regard cohesion of the squad, it's difficult to actually point to a consistent run of goals we scored which were as a result of Norwood's propensity to spray balls out wide. Much of our success came from a nexus of Fleck/Stevens/O'Connell down one flank and Baldock/Lundstram/Basham down the other with Billy and Leon being the targets. Besides 'the greatest spell' had already begun., so this was in spite of Norwood, not 'because' of it. Our success in the PL was dismally short lived because on our return from lockdown against Villa, it was clear even a struggling team such as they had done their homework and the glory days were over and done. We faltered, yet finished ninth, losing five of our remaining nine games. The following season was a fucking disaster with Norwood being a consistent weak spot which teams would easily anticipate, bypass and exploit.

So your alignment with him pinging it across the park and our brief purple patch does not hold up to scrutiny, I'm afraid. He remains a one-trick show-pony who occasionally puts on a passable performance when opposition midfields deign to allow him time and space, and even then because they know exactly what his next step is.

pommpey

My "alignment" doesn't stand up to your 'scrutiny' is all You're just presenting your own opinion as fact and claiming it disproves another.

To put it another way:

Norwood was part of the best Championship side we've had in years. We scored a lot of those goals from out wide yes, but largely because Norwood's ping had got the ball out there quickly and we had men ready to overload that side. The system relied on his passing ability. He is a more accurate long range passer than anyone at the club, and anyone in my time watching the club for that matter.

If you don't believe that, during the 18/19 Championship season Sheffield United scored 78 goals. Norwood scored 3 and assisted 9, so 12% of our goals were scored or set up by him. That's one more goal and one fewer assist than Fleck, for reference.

In terms of the PL, he was a central part of a team that was 5th when Covid hit and finished 9th. Yes he struggled the next season, but so did everyone else.

I'm not disputing that he struggles when other teams shut him down in space, but to decry his style as "pointless boots of the ball" is madness in my view.

Either you can't see what he does, or you just don't value it. Either is fine, it's a discussion forum after all haha

 

[pommpey]

Well if it's stats you want- for the players you mentioned:

(These stats are just for us in the league since the 16/17 season- pretty much the defining season in terms of shaping how we'd play even up until now. But for transparency's sake, if you want to add 52 league 1 apps, 0 goals and 8 assists onto Coutts because it reinforces your argument then be my guest)

Coutts: 72 apps; 3 goals; 7 assists- (2 goals and all 7 assists were in league 1).
Besic: 9 apps; 0 goals; 0 assists- (No comment).
Duffy: 111 apps; 15 goals; 25 assists- (6 goals and 9 assists in league 1).
Norwood: 155 apps; 5 goals; 13 assists- (70 of those apps was in the premier league- with 1 goal and 1 assist over those 2 seasons).

Not a fantastic return for Norwood, at a glance- but then again a significant chunk of that was whilst we were collectively one of the worst teams there's ever been at top flight level. He has had spells where he's not been consistent enough- and he does have weaknesses, but you seem to think that he's the lynchpin of everything that goes wrong with this team and simultaneously cannot be responsible for any of the positive aspects.


All-in-all, my biggest takeaway from this is that I cannot fathom how you seem to be implying that Norwood and Duffy remotely filled the same role; and even despite this he's only scored 4 less than him if we ignore league 1.

Ah, right. So now it's my comparison of Norwood and Duffy, rather than Norwood's pretty ineffective contribution to anything forward-facing and attacking. And I don't buy that 'well, the whole team was shit' schtick. The truth was that with Wilder, with Slav and now with Hecky, we are predictable, boring and reliant on players like Sharp, Basham and MGW to prop things up. Without them three in particular, I doubt we'd be sweating on a sixth place right now, lets put it that way. And if Norwood is or 'distributor' and the start of our way up the field, then yes, he is responsible for the continued propensity for us to get mired out wide in a containable passing game whilst the forwards have to come short or move away from the danger zone to dig something out. All this 'he makes the team tick' is nonsense. He does nothing of the sort when compared with the cool control and advancing of Basham, the threat that MGW causes and the battling that Billy Sharp does.

Norwood could do Duffy's role. Instead he's more comfortable spraying airborne missiles out wide into an area where oppositions just kill us off.

pommpey

 

[Willglynning]

Ah, right. So now it's my comparison of Norwood and Duffy, rather than Norwood's pretty ineffective contribution to anything forward-facing and attacking. And I don't buy that 'well, the whole team was shit' schtick. The truth was that with Wilder, with Slav and now with Hecky, we are predictable, boring and reliant on players like Sharp, Basham and MGW to prop things up. Without them three in particular, I doubt we'd be sweating on a sixth place right now, lets put it that way. And if Norwood is or 'distributor' and the start of our way up the field, then yes, he is responsible for the continued propensity for us to get mired out wide in a containable passing game whilst the forwards have to come short or move away from the danger zone to dig something out. All this 'he makes the team tick' is nonsense. He does nothing of the sort when compared with the cool control and advancing of Basham, the threat that MGW causes and the battling that Billy Sharp does.

Norwood could do Duffy's role. Instead he's more comfortable spraying airborne missiles out wide into an area where oppositions just kill us off.

pommpey

I'm not sure what point you're making here.

This was Duffy's heatmap the season we went up:


And this is Norwood's for this season:


Compeletely different roles and positions. Norwood could play in Duffy's role; but that's like saying that Egan could play upfront. It doesn't make sense when it doesn't play into any of his strengths.

"He does nothing of the sort when compared with the cool control and advancing of Basham, the threat that MGW causes and the battling that Billy Sharp does."

Norwood plays a lot deeper than both Gibbs-White and Sharp, and his central position doesn't allow for the runs that Basham goes on- none of those three are comparable players.

So I guess the conclusion that we've got here is that attacking players are more attacking than he is. No shit; he's a defensive midfielder. Even if he were physically capable of going on runs it would leave our defence woefully exposed.

The more direct comparison you could make is with Fleck:

Norwood clearly has more of the ball, covers a much larger area of the pitch- and plays a much deeper role. If we want to dive into specific stats he's also among the best in the league for the stats that directly relate to the holding role that he plays.

Yes, he is not a goalscorer; but he outperforms a lot of players who play in a similar role to him- including £25m Jefferson Lerma (who has also scored 1 goal and got 3 assists- but has created half the amount of total chances). It's been really interesting seeing how well the stats back up Norwood in comparison to similar players at other clubs, (as opposed to arbitrary comparisons to strikers and attacking midfielders)- particularly as I didn't and don't think he's been particularly outstanding this season.


"Norwood could do Duffy's role. Instead he's more comfortable spraying airborne missiles out wide into an area where oppositions just kill us off."

Norwood can definitely have frustrating games, and he can be ineffective at times; but you can't saddle him with blame for when other players underperform. If he puts in a decent corner and Egan heads it wide; or if a long ball to Baldock get's ineffectively passed around until it comes to nothing then the blame is not with Norwood- it's whoever has made the mistakes later on.

I imagine you'd expect Norwood to put in a corner and then sprint at breakneck speed into the box to score an overhead volley from his own corner kick; and even then he'd not be doing enough.

 

[Tarqs]

We are poor at defending a lead be it in a game or league position. Momentum is with Blackburn or Millwall. We fluffed it vs Preston, Stoke and Milwall.

I would rather see us a lot more attacking in the last third using the middle channel more and not the predictable triangles on the chalk line looking for MGW or a perfect goal. We are good at the fast passing perfect goal but not with the slow slow build up we are guilty of for 90% of the game.

All out attack like Blackburn did last night. No time to try and defend what we have, go out and ram it down QPR’s throats

11 points in 15 games before last night blackburn - some momentum that is.