Hecky

[Mojo]

I would argue that is because of injuries and the players we have that Hecky has changed formation and it is the wilder structure as he has said that before

No I don't think we have , we haven't reached the levels of consistency under wilder

The Derby/Milwall games we were abysmal but we have been very average in other games WBA/Forest/Blackburn/Hull/Huddersfield and scraped results

Id say we have only seen us at full tilt last night and Swansea if we play like that 4 games out of 5 then id be impressed

Its no slight on Hecky he is doing a top job but he is nowhere near the level of Wilder and people saying he is are deluded IMO

No one ever claimed that he has hit the levels of Wilder, he needs achievements to be able to do that.

All that was stated is he is doing a grand job so far, which he undoubtedly is

 

[dc_blade]

 

[wadblade]

As I said previously the club is going through its Skankly to Paisley transition

 

[Berkshire Blade]

If joc was fit we'd be very similar to the 2019 blue print and just as successful imo

 

[Brewster Cost £70 million]

Managers are like players,for some reason or another it works at some clubs and some it doesn't,hecky at Leeds and hibs meh here fantastic every manager appointed or player brought in is a gamble for every team.

 

[Deadly_D'Jaffo]

I don't think it's fair to comprehensively say Hecky > Wilder regarding tactics just yet just yet but one thing for sure is Hecky has identified how to play Berge & arguably Brewster alot quicker then Wilder did.

 

[Mumbo]

He is just copying what wilder has done though is that not the case ?

He has done a great job doing that BTW but I will reserve judgement as we haven't consistently performed well and i would say hecky has a far better squad than the one wilder had in the champ season

 

[bongleblade]

also Norwood why Wilder didnt try to nullify him like Forest i cant understand to be fair im struggling to pick out a poor performance from anyone last night

Norwood looked a completely different player v boro, making robust tackles, got stuck in on a number of occasions and really battled. All speculation but I feel like Hecky had a word and asked him to play aggressive, to anticipate boro/wilder exploiting his weaknesses when being pressed

 

[Greasy Chap Butty]

He's built the players confidence back to a great level after having it knocked out of them for a year.
That has taken some doing. Plus his experience with the youngsters is gold-dust.
Brilliant bloke, just what was needed.

 

[Weston blade]

He is just copying what wilder has done though is that not the case ?

He has done a great job doing that BTW but I will reserve judgement as we haven't consistently performed well and i would say hecky has a far better squad than the one wilder had in the champ season

Tell me have you finished that 2 piece jigsaw yet or still struggling without the lid and picture

 

[FallowfieldBlade]

Tell me have you finished that 2 piece jigsaw yet or still struggling without the lid and picture

I’ll finish the jigsaw when you come up with a coherent argument against my posts instead of resorting to childish insults

I bet I finish the jigsaw before I get a reply

 

[Bladesman]

He is just copying what wilder has done though is that not the case ?

He has done a great job doing that BTW but I will reserve judgement as we haven't consistently performed well and i would say hecky has a far better squad than the one wilder had in the champ season

Nope, he is prepared to try different ways to play unlike Wilder. Even if some of these things have come about due to injuries.

 

[Broomhall Blade]

Bump

I stand by my prediction if we don't go up this season he will take us down.

 

[Jan Age]

I think we can safely say the players raised their performance to prove a point to wilder which for me is unacceptable when they can’t be bothered producing the same or even remotely similar level week in week out

 

[Sheffsteel]

I think we can safely say the players raised their performance to prove a point to wilder which for me is unacceptable when they can’t be bothered producing the same or even remotely similar level week in week out

If it was simply about raising a performance don't you think they've do it every match.
Common sense says every player wants promotion, bigger salaries playing in bigger matches.

I do agree that the players seemed so fired up against Boro, even Fleck was sprinting around like a madman, no wonder he picked up a muscle strain early in the match.

It's probably more about the players being fired up and exceeding their normal energy levels for that one match.
So a few days later all our players have energy levels 10% lower than what they should be, small details make a difference.
The important factor is how we bounce back next game.

 

[Jan Age]

If it was simply about raising a performance don't you think they've do it every match.
Common sense says every player wants promotion, bigger salaries playing in bigger matches.

It's probably more about the players being fired up and exceeding their normal energy levels for that one match.
So a few days later all our players have energy levels 10% lower than what they should be, small details make a difference.

So they raised performance levels by being more fired up... regardless of that you don’t turn up the next game and put that performance level...

You set the bar and then try to emulate it consistently

 

[AdamSufc1997]

Bump

I stand by my prediction if we don't go up this season he will take us down.

Depends what players we sign when a load go out. If we ar eplanning on playing youngsters and not signing anyone then i agree

 

[Harry's Game]

He’s done a great job, but this is now his first big test.. The best Warnock and Wilder sides always bounced back after a bad one.. now we shall see in midweek.

 

[Northernsoulblade]

We will bounce back Hecky will sort hopefully

 

[HarryHaslam]

He’s done a great job, but this is now his first big test.. The best Warnock and Wilder sides always bounced back after a bad one.. now we shall see in midweek.

He has done a great job, of putting round pegs in round holes. Wasn’t rocket science what needed to happen with this group of players when he got the job. Play a formation they were used too, and replicate what has been drilled into them for the previous few years. We could have all done that surely? Could we all do something different when it’s not working though? Come up with new tactics and formation to combat teams overrunning us? I doubt we could because you would have to be really clued up to do that, Hecky struggles to find a solution to any problems the tried and tested formation and tactics create when they are not working, at times when it’s not going well he seems as clueless as us sat in the stands.

 

[steve26272]

Bump

I stand by my prediction if we don't go up this season he will take us down.

we mathematically cannot go down, Given 3 teams go up and 3 down, 18 do neither, so quite a bold prediction I feel.

Bumping a thread to say “ relegation“ on the day we have a shit result is a bit “pick me pick me”

we know we are far from the finished article, as such crap results will happen, but we go again, as we have done all season.

im off to search for the “I was wrong” bump you did when we tonked Boro the other day…….

 

[Yogi]

He certainly had a job done on him today. The test will be to develop a competent plan B now for when teams play to completely bypass midfield quickly

 

[Harry's Game]

He has done a great job, of putting round pegs in round holes. Wasn’t rocket science what needed to happen with this group of players when he got the job. Play a formation they were used too, and replicate what has been drilled into them for the previous few years. We could have all done that surely? Could we all do something different when it’s not working though? Come up with new tactics and formation to combat teams overrunning us? I doubt we could because you would have to be really clued up to do that, Hecky struggles to find a solution to any problems the tried and tested formation and tactics create when they are not working, at times when it’s not going well he seems as clueless as us sat in the stands.

I don’t necessarily think that’s true. Things were going wrong in the Blackburn and Forest games but we found a way to stick in and get something from them.

This is his first major setback here, how he responds will be instructive and will show if he’s learned from his bitter experiences at Leeds and Hibs

 

[Eddiecolquhounsleg]

we mathematically cannot go down, Given 3 teams go up and 3 down, 18 do neither, so quite a bold prediction I feel.

Bumping a thread to say “ relegation“ on the day we have a shit result is a bit “pick me pick me”

we know we are far from the finished article, as such crap results will happen, but we go again, as we have done all season.

im off to search for the “I was wrong” bump you did when we tonked Boro the other day…….

I thought he meant take us down next season.

 

[steve26272]

I thought he meant take us down next season.

So do I, I was been equally as ridiculous.

 

[robbiez666]

We're down to bare bones. There are some tired players out there today. Many of whom put their performance of the season in just 3 days ago. They ran their socks off in midweek. Nothing left in the tank today but no chance of resting anyone. One of those days. Move on.

 

[HarryHaslam]

I don’t necessarily think that’s true. Things were going wrong in the Blackburn and Forest games but we found a way to stick in and get something from them.

This is his first major setback here, how he responds will be instructive and will show if he’s learned from his bitter experiences at Leeds and Hibs

Disagree, players battled as they always do at home, but we got lucky, as we did the point away at Huddersfield, we could have lost that by a few goals and no one would have complained. This result has been coming surely we can all see that, when we have ground out a result it’s been the players not tactical nouse by Hecky. When the players are not performing and no luck is going to save us we need the manager to very quickly change the set up and tactics of the side. If they had got 6 or 7 I believe he would still have been on the sidelines with his arms folded not having a clue what to do to combat all their space and energy. Let’s hope today is a wake up call because he really needs a plan B & C. He is yet to show neither and the players have dug deep at times that has kept the spotlight or should I say stares away from Hecky.

 

[Mojo]

Big wake up call for everyone today, I have to agree. True test of Hecky how we come back from this with a threadbare squad as we took a big big pummeling today.

 

[Millhousesblade1889]

Disagree, players battled as they always do at home, but we got lucky, as we did the point away at Huddersfield, we could have lost that by a few goals and no one would have complained. This result has been coming surely we can all see that, when we have ground out a result it’s been the players not tactical nouse by Hecky. When the players are not performing and no luck is going to save us we need the manager to very quickly change the set up and tactics of the side. If they had got 6 or 7 I believe he would still have been on the sidelines with his arms folded not having a clue what to do to combat all their space and energy. Let’s hope today is a wake up call because he really needs a plan B & C. He is yet to show neither and the players have dug deep at times that has kept the spotlight or should I say stares away from Hecky.

Away from home is a bit of a worry for me. N’Diaye would have been perfect fit today with fresh legs, he absolutely tore Birmingham apart a few weeks ago but has been completely phased out since then. The midfield 3 just didn’t work. Robinson / Egan had games they’ll want to forget

 

[Broomhall Blade]

we mathematically cannot go down, Given 3 teams go up and 3 down, 18 do neither, so quite a bold prediction I feel.

Bumping a thread to say “ relegation“ on the day we have a shit result is a bit “pick me pick me”

we know we are far from the finished article, as such crap results will happen, but we go again, as we have done all season.

im off to search for the “I was wrong” bump you did when we tonked Boro the other day…….

I didn't say we would go down this season.

Crap result is a bit of an under statement today.

Don't waste your time there isn't one.
I didn't join in the kiss Hecky's backside after the Middlesbrough game, because he's not actually achieved anything yet.
He was a cheap option with nothing on his CV to suggest he should get a job managing a club of Uniteds size.