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If anyone would like to know why there is a neo-Nazi threat in Ukraine that has grown since 2014, it has everything to do with the USA and the EU.

This post is for anyone who cares about the truth and would like to understand more about how the situation in the Ukraine has escalated to where it is today - not just what the media tell us, which is littered with lies and half-truths.

In 2013, the EU wanted to make a trade deal with the Ukraine. They were offering millions of dollars to the country - cash incentives in exchange for loyalty. At the time, the democratically-elected president Janokovich was in power. The EU (and America's) aim was to establish a power base in the Ukraine, hence the offer of money.

When Putin heard about it, he then made Janokovich an offer himself in a bid to stop the USA- $15 billion dollars and an offer of cheap gas.

Janokovich decided to go with Putin's offer. That was when the USA decided he needed to be removed.

They started to empower the worst elements of Ukrainian society - neo-Nazis who have a deep-rooted hatred of Russians. They began to fund them, provoking riots and instigating demonstrations. It was not difficult to do. Ukraine has a strong nationalist tradition.

Don't forget that Ukraine has justifiable reason to hate the Russians - millions were wiped out by Stalin in the Holodomor where roughly 7 million starved to death. So, of course, there are Ukraine people who are not neo-Nazis who joined in with the riots and demonstrations.

The United States built up the fascist element within the Ukraine, violent and intolerant neo-Nazis, and used them to ensure Janokovich was removed. The MPs voted him out and a pro-USA Jewish president, Zelensky, was put in power.

Since 2014, this neo-Nazi element has grown, backed and funded by the United States. If anyone has been confused as to how neo-Nazis can exist with a Jewish president in power, it is because it is not the president who has the real power. These Nazis, who openly honour the Ukraine hero, Stephen Bandera, who worked with Hitler, have an intense hatred of Russians, which is why so many pro-Russians have been persecuted by them for the last eight years.

So when Putin says he is going to 'de-nazify' the Ukraine, what he really means is that he wants to remove US power, which has been funding and building neo-Nazism in the country. The Ukraine is a power playground between the USA and Russia. The USA's underhanded actions are viewed as provocotive - which is why it makes little sense when the media says that it is unprovoked. You could compared it to one person spreading rumours about another behind the scenes (USA), and the person being talked about punches them in the face (Russia). Punching them in the face is definitely not OK, but because people only witness the punch and not the source of the rumours, they only condemn the one who did the punching.

This is not to say that Russia is justified in its current actions; but it helps us understand better why the situation has unravelled in this way. It reminds us that nothing is black and white, and that the media are not being honest with us. We have a right as the public to know the truth so we can reach our own conclusions about this conflict, and the media has no right to try and force us what to think by only providing us with selective information and hiding the rest.
 
1973Blade said:
How about a chant of 'whilst we don't hate the Russian people, we do condemn the actions of its government and support the strongest possible economic sanctions until Russia agrees to the right of Ukraine to exist as a sovereign nation and its borders are respected '. If I lead this chant on Friday v Forest will others follow?
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Will proudly accompany this on my triangle 1973Blade.
 
DIRTY HARRY said:
If anyone would like to know why there is a neo-Nazi threat in Ukraine that has grown since 2014, it has everything to do with the USA and the EU.

This post is for anyone who cares about the truth and would like to understand more about how the situation in the Ukraine has escalated to where it is today - not just what the media tell us, which is littered with lies and half-truths.

In 2013, the EU wanted to make a trade deal with the Ukraine. They were offering millions of dollars to the country - cash incentives in exchange for loyalty. At the time, the democratically-elected president Janokovich was in power. The EU (and America's) aim was to establish a power base in the Ukraine, hence the offer of money.

When Putin heard about it, he then made Janokovich an offer himself in a bid to stop the USA- $15 billion dollars and an offer of cheap gas.

Janokovich decided to go with Putin's offer. That was when the USA decided he needed to be removed.

They started to empower the worst elements of Ukrainian society - neo-Nazis who have a deep-rooted hatred of Russians. They began to fund them, provoking riots and instigating demonstrations. It was not difficult to do. Ukraine has a strong nationalist tradition.

Don't forget that Ukraine has justifiable reason to hate the Russians - millions were wiped out by Stalin in the Holodomor where roughly 7 million starved to death. So, of course, there are Ukraine people who are not neo-Nazis who joined in with the riots and demonstrations.

The United States built up the fascist element within the Ukraine, violent and intolerant neo-Nazis, and used them to ensure Janokovich was removed. The MPs voted him out and a pro-USA Jewish president, Zelensky, was put in power.

Since 2014, this neo-Nazi element has grown, backed and funded by the United States. If anyone has been confused as to how neo-Nazis can exist with a Jewish president in power, it is because it is not the president who has the real power. These Nazis, who openly honour the Ukraine hero, Stephen Bandera, who worked with Hitler, have an intense hatred of Russians, which is why so many pro-Russians have been persecuted by them for the last eight years.

So when Putin says he is going to 'de-nazify' the Ukraine, what he really means is that he wants to remove US power, which has been funding and building neo-Nazism in the country. The Ukraine is a power playground between the USA and Russia. The USA's underhanded actions are viewed as provocotive - which is why it makes little sense when the media says that it is unprovoked. You could compared it to one person spreading rumours about another behind the scenes (USA), and the person being talked about punches them in the face (Russia). Punching them in the face is definitely not OK, but because people only witness the punch and not the source of the rumours, they only condemn the one who did the punching.

This is not to say that Russia is justified in its current actions; but it helps us understand better why the situation has unravelled in this way. It reminds us that nothing is black and white, and that the media are not being honest with us. We have a right as the public to know the truth so we can reach our own conclusions about this conflict, and the media has no right to try and force us what to think by only providing us with selective information and hiding the rest.
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Unfortunately 100% correct. I say Unfortunately because this has caused the situation that a mad man has taken advantage of. The whole world is a fkin mess. Run by those not looking out for your interests, hence the question, "how do you know when a politician is lying?"
 
DIRTY HARRY said:
If anyone would like to know why there is a neo-Nazi threat in Ukraine that has grown since 2014, it has everything to do with the USA and the EU.

This post is for anyone who cares about the truth and would like to understand more about how the situation in the Ukraine has escalated to where it is today - not just what the media tell us, which is littered with lies and half-truths.

In 2013, the EU wanted to make a trade deal with the Ukraine. They were offering millions of dollars to the country - cash incentives in exchange for loyalty. At the time, the democratically-elected president Janokovich was in power. The EU (and America's) aim was to establish a power base in the Ukraine, hence the offer of money.

When Putin heard about it, he then made Janokovich an offer himself in a bid to stop the USA- $15 billion dollars and an offer of cheap gas.

Janokovich decided to go with Putin's offer. That was when the USA decided he needed to be removed.

They started to empower the worst elements of Ukrainian society - neo-Nazis who have a deep-rooted hatred of Russians. They began to fund them, provoking riots and instigating demonstrations. It was not difficult to do. Ukraine has a strong nationalist tradition.

Don't forget that Ukraine has justifiable reason to hate the Russians - millions were wiped out by Stalin in the Holodomor where roughly 7 million starved to death. So, of course, there are Ukraine people who are not neo-Nazis who joined in with the riots and demonstrations.

The United States built up the fascist element within the Ukraine, violent and intolerant neo-Nazis, and used them to ensure Janokovich was removed. The MPs voted him out and a pro-USA Jewish president, Zelensky, was put in power.

Since 2014, this neo-Nazi element has grown, backed and funded by the United States. If anyone has been confused as to how neo-Nazis can exist with a Jewish president in power, it is because it is not the president who has the real power. These Nazis, who openly honour the Ukraine hero, Stephen Bandera, who worked with Hitler, have an intense hatred of Russians, which is why so many pro-Russians have been persecuted by them for the last eight years.

So when Putin says he is going to 'de-nazify' the Ukraine, what he really means is that he wants to remove US power, which has been funding and building neo-Nazism in the country. The Ukraine is a power playground between the USA and Russia. The USA's underhanded actions are viewed as provocotive - which is why it makes little sense when the media says that it is unprovoked. You could compared it to one person spreading rumours about another behind the scenes (USA), and the person being talked about punches them in the face (Russia). Punching them in the face is definitely not OK, but because people only witness the punch and not the source of the rumours, they only condemn the one who did the punching.

This is not to say that Russia is justified in its current actions; but it helps us understand better why the situation has unravelled in this way. It reminds us that nothing is black and white, and that the media are not being honest with us. We have a right as the public to know the truth so we can reach our own conclusions about this conflict, and the media has no right to try and force us what to think by only providing us with selective information and hiding the rest.
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Nevertheless when SheepdipBlade comments on some nutter threatening to nuke the world you see fit to argue against his point rather than side with him. Theres an absolute madman changing peoples lives by the minute and threatening the world cos he's in a rage. Countries, governments politicians go hand in hand with corruption, it really does become worrying when Putin issues "Ive got nuclear missiles ready" threats. Still, suppose it could've been China instead.
 
DIRTY HARRY said:
If anyone would like to know why there is a neo-Nazi threat in Ukraine that has grown since 2014, it has everything to do with the USA and the EU.

This post is for anyone who cares about the truth and would like to understand more about how the situation in the Ukraine has escalated to where it is today - not just what the media tell us, which is littered with lies and half-truths.

In 2013, the EU wanted to make a trade deal with the Ukraine. They were offering millions of dollars to the country - cash incentives in exchange for loyalty. At the time, the democratically-elected president Janokovich was in power. The EU (and America's) aim was to establish a power base in the Ukraine, hence the offer of money.

When Putin heard about it, he then made Janokovich an offer himself in a bid to stop the USA- $15 billion dollars and an offer of cheap gas.

Janokovich decided to go with Putin's offer. That was when the USA decided he needed to be removed.

They started to empower the worst elements of Ukrainian society - neo-Nazis who have a deep-rooted hatred of Russians. They began to fund them, provoking riots and instigating demonstrations. It was not difficult to do. Ukraine has a strong nationalist tradition.

Don't forget that Ukraine has justifiable reason to hate the Russians - millions were wiped out by Stalin in the Holodomor where roughly 7 million starved to death. So, of course, there are Ukraine people who are not neo-Nazis who joined in with the riots and demonstrations.

The United States built up the fascist element within the Ukraine, violent and intolerant neo-Nazis, and used them to ensure Janokovich was removed. The MPs voted him out and a pro-USA Jewish president, Zelensky, was put in power.

Since 2014, this neo-Nazi element has grown, backed and funded by the United States. If anyone has been confused as to how neo-Nazis can exist with a Jewish president in power, it is because it is not the president who has the real power. These Nazis, who openly honour the Ukraine hero, Stephen Bandera, who worked with Hitler, have an intense hatred of Russians, which is why so many pro-Russians have been persecuted by them for the last eight years.

So when Putin says he is going to 'de-nazify' the Ukraine, what he really means is that he wants to remove US power, which has been funding and building neo-Nazism in the country. The Ukraine is a power playground between the USA and Russia. The USA's underhanded actions are viewed as provocotive - which is why it makes little sense when the media says that it is unprovoked. You could compared it to one person spreading rumours about another behind the scenes (USA), and the person being talked about punches them in the face (Russia). Punching them in the face is definitely not OK, but because people only witness the punch and not the source of the rumours, they only condemn the one who did the punching.

This is not to say that Russia is justified in its current actions; but it helps us understand better why the situation has unravelled in this way. It reminds us that nothing is black and white, and that the media are not being honest with us. We have a right as the public to know the truth so we can reach our own conclusions about this conflict, and the media has no right to try and force us what to think by only providing us with selective information and hiding the rest.
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found an interesting article here which does appear to align with what Harry says. US installing CIA-trained Paramilitiaries in Ukraine when Crimea was annexed (of which the far-right Azov batallion were part of).

Absolutely no excuse for Putin's invasion, i am thoroughly anti-war and anti-Putin. I think he is a fascist see you next Tuesday.

But it gives a bit more context in that the action is not unprovoked. It is frustrating that US had provided this excuse (let's face, Putin wouldn't need much of one!). But we've seen it numerous times in history with Cuba and Afghanistan. CIA give weapons and train paramilitaries, and it blows up in their faces... 2022 is no different

www.yahoo.com

CIA-trained Ukrainian paramilitaries may take central role if Russia invades

The CIA is overseeing a secret training program in the U.S. for elite Ukrainian special operations forces and other intelligence personnel.
www.yahoo.com www.yahoo.com
 
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DIRTY HARRY said:
If anyone would like to know why there is a neo-Nazi threat in Ukraine that has grown since 2014, it has everything to do with the USA and the EU.

This post is for anyone who cares about the truth and would like to understand more about how the situation in the Ukraine has escalated to where it is today - not just what the media tell us, which is littered with lies and half-truths.

In 2013, the EU wanted to make a trade deal with the Ukraine. They were offering millions of dollars to the country - cash incentives in exchange for loyalty. At the time, the democratically-elected president Janokovich was in power. The EU (and America's) aim was to establish a power base in the Ukraine, hence the offer of money.

When Putin heard about it, he then made Janokovich an offer himself in a bid to stop the USA- $15 billion dollars and an offer of cheap gas.

Janokovich decided to go with Putin's offer. That was when the USA decided he needed to be removed.

They started to empower the worst elements of Ukrainian society - neo-Nazis who have a deep-rooted hatred of Russians. They began to fund them, provoking riots and instigating demonstrations. It was not difficult to do. Ukraine has a strong nationalist tradition.

Don't forget that Ukraine has justifiable reason to hate the Russians - millions were wiped out by Stalin in the Holodomor where roughly 7 million starved to death. So, of course, there are Ukraine people who are not neo-Nazis who joined in with the riots and demonstrations.

The United States built up the fascist element within the Ukraine, violent and intolerant neo-Nazis, and used them to ensure Janokovich was removed. The MPs voted him out and a pro-USA Jewish president, Zelensky, was put in power.

Since 2014, this neo-Nazi element has grown, backed and funded by the United States. If anyone has been confused as to how neo-Nazis can exist with a Jewish president in power, it is because it is not the president who has the real power. These Nazis, who openly honour the Ukraine hero, Stephen Bandera, who worked with Hitler, have an intense hatred of Russians, which is why so many pro-Russians have been persecuted by them for the last eight years.

So when Putin says he is going to 'de-nazify' the Ukraine, what he really means is that he wants to remove US power, which has been funding and building neo-Nazism in the country. The Ukraine is a power playground between the USA and Russia. The USA's underhanded actions are viewed as provocotive - which is why it makes little sense when the media says that it is unprovoked. You could compared it to one person spreading rumours about another behind the scenes (USA), and the person being talked about punches them in the face (Russia). Punching them in the face is definitely not OK, but because people only witness the punch and not the source of the rumours, they only condemn the one who did the punching.

This is not to say that Russia is justified in its current actions; but it helps us understand better why the situation has unravelled in this way. It reminds us that nothing is black and white, and that the media are not being honest with us. We have a right as the public to know the truth so we can reach our own conclusions about this conflict, and the media has no right to try and force us what to think by only providing us with selective information and hiding the rest.
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All seems sensible and logical thanks.
 
1973Blade said:
How about a chant of 'whilst we don't hate the Russian people, we do condemn the actions of its government and support the strongest possible economic sanctions until Russia agrees to the right of Ukraine to exist as a sovereign nation and its borders are respected '. If I lead this chant on Friday v Forest will others follow?
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I'll be too busy singing Fallowfield's new McBurnie song.
 
bongleblade said:
found an interesting article here which does appear to align with what Harry says. US installing CIA-trained Paramilitiaries in Ukraine when Crimea was annexed (of which the far-right Azov batallion were part of).

Absolutely no excuse for Putin's invasion, i am thoroughly anti-war and anti-Putin. I think he is a fascist see you next Tuesday.

But it gives a bit more context in that the action is not unprovoked. It is frustrating that US had provided this excuse (let's face, Putin wouldn't need much of one!). But we've seen it numerous times in history with Cuba and Afghanistan. CIA give weapons and train paramilitaries, and it blows up in their faces... 2022 is no different

www.yahoo.com

CIA-trained Ukrainian paramilitaries may take central role if Russia invades

The CIA is overseeing a secret training program in the U.S. for elite Ukrainian special operations forces and other intelligence personnel.
www.yahoo.com www.yahoo.com
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Like i said..putin neaded a reason and they gave him one. Never said putin is right what he is doing but there is an element on hete who just cant wait call you pro war ant vaxxer nazi racist...dumb fucks.
 
DIRTY HARRY said:
Like i said..putin neaded a reason and they gave him one. Never said putin is right what he is doing but there is an element on hete who just cant wait call you pro war ant vaxxer nazi racist...dumb fucks.
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i'm just not sure people are given both sides (ion fact i know for a fact they aren't.. for example BBC today:


Question from vieiwer: Why did Russia choose to invade Ukraine now?
That is an important question and we still don't have all the answers. This war is often called Vladimir Putin’s war - it's widely believed he is the one driving it and no-one is clear how far he is able and willing to go to try to control a neighbour he says shouldn't exist as a country.

Many ask if he sensed a weakness in the Nato alliance, in the US in particular, after the messy debacle of the troop pull-out from Afghanistan and a Taliban takeover.

Many also speculate about the Russian leader's state of mind after the isolation and anxiety of the pandemic.




there is no other way of seeing that last bit. Pure slanderous speculation and propaganda. I don't blame people for only believing one side when this is what we're fed... BBC is the UK's RT.
 
DIRTY HARRY said:
Like i said..putin neaded a reason and they gave him one. Never said putin is right what he is doing but there is an element on hete who just cant wait call you pro war ant vaxxer nazi racist...dumb fucks.
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The west has antagonised Putin. But your neo Nazi explanation is the most bonkers post I've read in a while.
 



DIRTY HARRY said:
Not mine..i copied and pasted after looking into it.Makes alot of sense then.
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Ok, your post.
I've got a couple of questions. The previous president was democratically elected, but the new guy Zelensky was 'put in power' .
How was he put in power'?
 
Greasy Chap Butty said:
Ok, your post.
I've got a couple of questions. The previous president was democratically elected, but the new guy Zelensky was 'put in power' .
How was he put in power'?
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I've also got another question.

Has anyone considered that had the internet, this forum and telegram been operational in 1939, what sort of batshit crazy nonsense would be being spouted on here.
 
Deleted Member said:
I've also got another question.

Has anyone considered that had the internet, this forum and telegram been operational in 1939, what sort of batshit crazy nonsense would be being spouted on here.
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Churchill is spreading conspiracy theories aided and abetted by the beeb?
 
raul said:
The MSM then?
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The MSM was wielded far too much power spreading false news.

It's been dominated by woke, leftist snowflakes, who are more bothered about taking the knee and putting rainbows on police cars, whilst completely ignoring a zionist plot by Sleepy Joe to besmirch the good name of that nice Mr Putin.

I read it on telegram.
 



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