Sack the board

[blade too long]

If McCabe hasn't done enough to convince you that he's been a flop for us, then there's no chance that I can convince you.....

I agree with your last sentence we are. Though he's landed us firmly in the shit, we are where we are.



UTB

I have stated elsewhere its undoubted we need fresh impetus , new money , but , even if I think he is a flop now , hes all we have and getting shot is not an option as we cant afford to get shot
plain n simple

 

[pommpey]

And still, questions lie:

Post PL relegation -

Parachute payments
Gate takings
Merchandise takings
Tevez money

Where has it all gone, guys? You can speculate all you want about where McCabe fucked it up, we all know that now. Our gates have been pretty healthy since PL drop day, with anything from 27-11k in almost every match. There no massive earners at the club, all we've done with the ground is tart up the BL End and I haven't seen any million pounders walking across the JS Car Park recently.

So where's it gone?

I'm no businessman. But I'm sure most of us understand input and output. Where's the Tevez money McCabe, you weasly twat?

pommpey

 

[shorehamview]

post: 374883"]All Lenner's did was call it how he saw it.

The sad irony is that with most of it he wasn't that far wrong.

What lenners did was patronise the rest of the world. If you didn't agree exactly, word for word with what he'd said, if you dared to challenge even the slightest aspect of his argument, then you were fair game for the lenners condescending and patronising bullshit. He was right on more than one occasion, but it wasn't what he said - it was how he said it. No doubt he's still at it on some other forum, belittling anyone and everyone who dares to challenge anything he says.

Lenners is the pub bore. He might well be right, but people soon get tired of his droning and tell him to get out of the pub.

 

[Bergen Blade]

What lenners did was patronise the rest of the world. If you didn't agree exactly, word for word with what he'd said, if you dared to challenge even the slightest aspect of his argument, then you were fair game for the lenners condescending and patronising bullshit. He was right on more than one occasion, but it wasn't what he said - it was how he said it. No doubt he's still at it on some other forum, belittling anyone and everyone who dares to challenge anything he says.

Lenners is the pub bore. He might well be right, but people soon get tired of his droning and tell him to get out of the pub.

He was regularly wrong, or primarily on the wind up, when Warnock was here. After that we've slowly been on the decline and more of his points became valid and relevant. Other posters often seemed to take the opposite view because it came from Len, which maybe was understandable given of the tone of his posts.

 

[Darren]

He was regularly wrong, or primarily on the wind up, when Warnock was here. After that we've slowly been on the decline and more of his points became valid and relevant. Other posters often seemed to take the opposite view because it came from Len, which maybe was understandable given of the tone of his posts.

Its the old adage about a stopped clock being right twice a day. All clubs go through ups and downs. Given that Len always predicted doom and gloom he was obviously going to be right when United hit a down.

 

[Bergen Blade]

And still, questions lie:

There no massive earners at the club

My assumption is that we are currently paying the following vastly more than the average third division wage:

Steve Simonsen
Matt Lowton
Chris Morgan
Johannes Ertl
Neill Collins
Marcus Williams
Matt Phillips
Lee Williamson
Nick Montgomery
Michael Doyle
Kevin McDonald
Stephen Quinn
Nathaniel Mendez-Laing
Richard Cresswell
Ched Evans
Billy Clarke

---------- Post added at 11:13 AM ---------- Previous post was at 11:03 AM ----------

Its the old adage about a stopped clock being right twice a day. All clubs go through ups and downs. Given that Len always predicted doom and gloom he was obviously going to be right when United hit a down.

Yes. And what does that say about the many Len-triggered (automatically opposing) replies?

 

[Robbie]

The reactions are here: http://www.s24su.com/forum/showthread.php?19092-New-Deal-for-Cresswell

Some concerns, but not many.

I stick by my comments

 

[alcoblade]

And still, questions lie:

Post PL relegation -

Parachute payments
Gate takings
Merchandise takings
Tevez money

Where has it all gone, guys? You can speculate all you want about where McCabe fucked it up, we all know that now. Our gates have been pretty healthy since PL drop day, with anything from 27-11k in almost every match. There no massive earners at the club, all we've done with the ground is tart up the BL End and I haven't seen any million pounders walking across the JS Car Park recently.

So where's it gone?

I'm no businessman. But I'm sure most of us understand input and output. Where's the Tevez money McCabe, you weasly twat?

pommpey

pommpey,

Our wagebill was over £20M for several years, and is still liudicrously high given the quality of players. Evans was signed as "one of the highest earners outside the premiership".

Sadly, we do have big earners, just low achievers.


We lost £2M in China in one season alone, lots chasing the casino and WC bid. We flew nothing players to Hungary and back on a regular basis. We sent them our chief exec. It's not hard to see where the money went. I just find it impossible to justify the decisions that were made.

UTB

 

[Darren]

pommpey,

Our wagebill was over £20M for several years, and is still liudicrously high given the quality of players. Evans was signed as 2one of the highest earners outside the premiership".

Sadly, we do have big earners, just low achievers.


We lost £2M of China, lots chasing the casino and WC bid. We flew nothing players to Hungary and back on a regular basis. We sent them our chief exec. It's not hard to see where the money went. I just find it impossible to justify the decisions that were made.

UTB

Evans must be the highest earner in League One and Simonsen, Cresswell,Quinn and Monty must all; be in the top 10.

 

[raul]

I'd even suggest Nos 2 to 5 Dazzler, unless the Piggy Fuckwit at PNE is still living off Anfield being on the c.v.

 

[Bladesway]

What lenners did was patronise the rest of the world. If you didn't agree exactly, word for word with what he'd said, if you dared to challenge even the slightest aspect of his argument, then you were fair game for the lenners condescending and patronising bullshit.
Lenners is the pub bore. He might well be right, but people soon get tired of his droning and tell him to get out of the pub.

I have said it before and I'll say it again, people in glass houses really shouldn't go around chucking rocks.

 

[Deleted member 875]

Lenners might have been a bit extreme in his views, but his message was there for all to see, and despite not being taken seriously, he was right in a lot of what he said.

Looking at our wage bill a few years back, letting Terry Robinson and Bryan Robson run amok with the largest wage bill in the clubs history in the Championship without any guarantee of promotion was crass stupidity in the extreme.

We are where we are because we haven't been good enough on the pitch, but people don't seem to grasp about how much of a fuck up, Kevin McCabe has made of his time as Chairman over the last 5 years. It was nice having a season in the Premiership, but if we had been managed properly then we could and should still be either a decent Premiership side or at the very least one of the Yo Yo clubs.

 

[Patrick Suffaux]

Just wait to see how this season will end up being managed brownie!

I can envisage it already. We'll sell one of the few good players we have in January.

We will then bring someone crap in on loan who plays in a different position.

The remainder of the season will be littered with emergency loan signings.

 

[Bergen Blade]

Just wait to see how this season will end up being managed brownie!

I can envisage it already. We'll sell one of the few good players we have in January.

We will then bring someone crap in on loan who plays in a different position.

The remainder of the season will be littered with emergency loan signings.

So we're criticising the club for overspending in the past. We know that the wage bill is still far too high. Shouldn't we be applauding the decision to get rid of high earners in January?

 

[secretchief]

So we're criticising the club for overspending in the past. We know that the wage bill is still far too high. Shouldn't we be applauding the decision to get rid of high earners in January?

The high earners aren't necessarily the best players. In fact you could argue that most of our highest earners are almost completely useless.

Historically speaking, we sell our best young players.

 

[beightonblade]

getting rid of the dross at BDTBL is the first part to recovery

 

[Bladesway]

So we're criticising the club for overspending in the past. We know that the wage bill is still far too high. Shouldn't we be applauding the decision to get rid of high earners in January?

Hey, is that the sound of distant music and a picture of kittens coming to the fore? While I don't think Brownie is on the money with all of what he says (not backing Warnock in the Prem??????), the club is riddled with problems and most of them come from McCabe and his dealings. We are criticising the club for MASSIVE overspending in the past yes. Right now we are speculating to accumulate in most cases. Not quite the cancer of the past.

FWIW I don't think McCabe should resign at this point. Its too late now as the damage has been done. What needs to happen is a disaster recovery plan be put in place (which I believe it now is) and we all have to come along for the ride. If we are in a position of strength come January we need to keep whatever we can in terms of quality. Its already been shown there is little to no interest in anyone outside of Squinny. I don't think that has changed. We can't give Chedders away right now, Monty isn't worth much to anyone and the rest have hardly put themselves in the shop window have they?

Many fans have always said bollocks to the chinese market, the Australian, Brazilian, Argentinian markets. Also, while those go on about how poor old Kev has lost shedloads, do they wonder how much capital he made out of SUFC in the first place? And unlike us, he made all the decisions that led to SUFC the team (not the brand) disappearing from first the Premiership and then the Championship.

 

[chipsncake]

getting rid of the dross at BDTBL is the first part to recovery

I hope you're including Wilson in that.

 

[stannyblade]

getting rid of the dross at BDTBL is the first part to recovery

Totally agree with this. We have to give Wilson time to get players out and in then judge him. A lot on here would have been happy with mid table this season so 5th isnt a disaster

 

[Patrick Suffaux]

So we're criticising the club for overspending in the past. We know that the wage bill is still far too high. Shouldn't we be applauding the decision to get rid of high earners in January?

Not really criticising anything per se.

Just prediciting our activity in the transfer window.

History suggests that I wont be far off.

You're also under the impression that I view the high earners as our better players.

 

[Sothall_Blade]

post: 374760"]For a man with a supposedly astute business brain, he has made some shocking errors.
Here is just a few of the mistakes he made
- Terry Robinson
- Not backing Warnock enough in the Premiership etc...

McCabe was doing a great job until he fell out with and lost faith in Warnock. All our subsequent problems stem from that...
Warnock helped to increase our turnover from £6.5M in 2000 to £39M in 2007.
McCabe repaid Warnock by refusing to offer him a new, improved contract following promotion.
He allowed him to spend only 58% of our turnover on wages in The Premier League, the lowest % in the division.
By contrast, he backed Robson with a three year contract and allowed him to spend 78% of our turnover in wages:-

http://www.footballeconomy.com/content/sheffield-united-football-club-ltd

In my opinion, we would still be in The Premiership now if McCabe had shown the same faith in Warnock as he did in Robson.

 

[Bergen Blade]

Right now we are speculating to accumulate in most cases. Not quite the cancer of the past.

Its already been shown there is little to no interest in anyone outside of Squinny. I don't think that has changed. We can't give Chedders away right now, Monty isn't worth much to anyone and the rest have hardly put themselves in the shop window have they?

We've tried to speculate to accumulate for years, gambling, desperately trying to bounce back. Plugging holes and going for short term fixes. At some point we have to start building long term and we can't do that as long as the wage bill prevents us from a) strengthening and b) keeping any youngster that becomes decent.

 

[Worksop II]

a) strengthening and b) keeping any youngster that becomes decent.

c) the bloke at the Top is Interested in the Footballing Side of SUFC

 

[Bergen Blade]

Not really criticising anything per se.

Just prediciting our activity in the transfer window.

History suggests that I wont be far off.

You're also under the impression that I view the high earners as our better players.

Wasn't having a go at you PS. I think you should be criticising the club for overspending, and agree that it's likely we may be forced to sell players we'd rather have kept, if noone wants the high earners.

 

[Tuns]

McCabe was doing a great job until he fell out with and lost faith in Warnock. All our subsequent problems stem from that...
Warnock helped to increase our turnover from £6.5M in 2000 to £39M in 2007.
McCabe repaid Warnock by refusing to offer him a new, improved contract following promotion.
He allowed him to spend only 58% of our turnover on wages in The Premier League, the lowest % in the division.
By contrast, he backed Robson with a three year contract and allowed him to spend 78% of our turnover in wages:-

http://www.footballeconomy.com/content/sheffield-united-football-club-ltd

In my opinion, we would still be in The Premiership now if McCabe had shown the same faith in Warnock as he did in Robson.

Shame McCabe couldn't have sacked Warnock straight after promotion. He was not ready to manage in the top flight at that time and relegation was always likely with him in charge. Unfortunatley you can't sack a manager that has just got you up.

NW was given an incredible 7 years to get us up. What other manager has been given that amount of time at a big Champ club?

We had some good times under NW and some bad ones. He was given more than a good chance by McCabe and let's not forget the big Blade nearly repaid us by going to Portsmouth during the season.

I have issues about some of McCabe's decisions but you can't fault his backing of Warnock - perhaps he could have given him a few more million in the prem but Warnock's spending record with us hardly suggests he would have spent it well.

It was certainly time for NW to go especially given the hangover about all that had happened. It was McCabe's appointment of his replacements that have been the problem.

 

[beightonblade]

what a load of drivel ........................ McCabe shud have pushed the boat out when we reached the Premiership........... a great opportunity fooked up !

 

[Robbie]

Shame McCabe couldn't have sacked Warnock straight after promotion. He was not ready to manage in the top flight at that time and relegation was always likely with him in charge.

I thought with the team that we had in the PL, we looked certs for relegation.
However, I believe that as a whole, the team did well and did themselves credit. It is disappointing though, that after we achieved a decent points advantage over the bottom 3, we threw it away.... this was a lot down to Warnock's defensive policy away from home, where we scored a paltry amount of goals (7 in total I think it was).

NW was given an incredible 7 years to get us up. What other manager has been given that amount of time at a big Champ club?

It's not that cut and dry though is it.
It wasn't just 7 years to get us up, he built the fan base from an average 13,000 to over 30,000 when he left.
The turnover between the 2 timescales are massively different too (I think they were documentated fully elsewhere on this thread)..... this was mainly down to Warnock.

Look at the fan base now, it still looks decent, and that is because of Warnocks legacy.

let's not forget the big Blade nearly repaid us by going to Portsmouth during the season..

Why is that an issue?
He was offered a job elsewhere, he went to see what they were offering and declined it (even though they were going to double his wages, as was reported). I think that is a pretty decent thing from him.

You'd be foolish to not go and see what someone else is offering.
I've never understood this issue with Warnock listening to what Pompey had to offer.

 

[Wapping Blade]

NW was given an incredible 7 years to get us up. What other manager has been given that amount of time at a big Champ club?

Does it matter what might happen at other clubs? Everyone is on the treadmill to faster and faster sackings and I'm waiting for the day when a manager gets sacked during his first match.

I heard someone comment this weekend that Sralex would never be given the time he had at the beginning of his ManU tenure these days as if that was a good thing!

 

[DuncDisorderly]

Ferguson was one defeat from the sack in his first year, so they say...

 

[Deleted member 875]

While I don't think Brownie is on the money with all of what he says (not backing Warnock in the Prem??????), the club is riddled with problems and most of them come from McCabe and his dealings. We are criticising the club for MASSIVE overspending in the past yes. Right now we are speculating to accumulate in most cases. Not quite the cancer of the past.

Not backing him enough in the Premiership, by which i meant if Warnock had been allowed to spend in the Premiership like Robson did in the Championship then maybe, just maybe we would have retained our place in the Premiership.