Sack the board

[alcoblade]

Agree, I've wanted us to have a Director of Football to oversee such things. A real football man, not a bunch of business men. How would things have been if Graham Taylor had accepted the job offer?

Probably another £500,000 per year worse off. Surely you can expect the manager to manage such things?


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[Deleted member 875]

Graham Taylor on £500,000 a year, i'd guess Terry Robinson wasn't on far off that for doing more or less the same job.

 

[MunXy]

£50 million then another £10+ million a season after thats roughly £60 million now my maths tells me even at a wage budget of £15 million (i know way over actual wage budget) means 4 years at that level so how come they have said wages have to be cut and belts tightened?
no matter how you look at it, money has gone AWOL somewhere.
also im pretty sure such as chengdu blades wasn't "given away" after time and money invested by SUFC not solely KM.
Kevin McCabe IF you love the blades as much as you claim either put up or walk away, otherwise my beloved blades are going to die.

MunXy

 

[Deleted member 875]

My rough Maths.

£50m from the Premiership Seasons
£10m a season from the last 4 Championship Seasons.

That means that the club must had a turnover of at least £90m over the last 5 seasons, and yet we find ourselves in League 1 and going down to an abject defeat at Stevenage.

The buck has to stop somewhere.......

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

Lenners had it sussed:

"Frightening where our club is heading."

 

[judge]

Agree with most of that aprt from not backing Warnock....Warnock was backed with plenty of money but wasted money in that January transfer window on Shelton and Fathi instead of getting someone in to back Hulse up. Warnock was also backed on wages

Don't forget the money he wasted in the 12 months previous on Akinbiyi,Horsfield,Flitcroft etc. Don't forget he didn't have the common sense to have a recall clause on Horsefield

Warnock blew it

backed on wages ???? where do you get that from ?
jags was the highest earner on £13k a week that season ,get your facts right before you spout shit

 

[DuncDisorderly]

Len had nothing. He was predicting doom and gloom in our last promotion season, along with the endless 'nailed on' defeats which he would crow about if it happened, and would forget (or experience 'computer problems') if it didn't. Not so 'insightful' as much as 'broken clock'. There is no skill in predicting failure. If we try then we will fail, and when we fail there will be consequences. Not much earth shattering news there.

I know! Maybe my standing with the slashers will be improved if I make a prediction like Len, here goes...

This club will continue to go nowhere without a complete top to bottom clear-out, owner and manager included neither of whom know what they are doing. We will obviously fail to get anywhere near the play-offs this year, and once the loan players go back we'll be lucky not to get sucked into a relegation battle. If we avoid it this year, it will only be thanks to our lucky start playing teams who were frightened of our 'reputation' until they realised that we are as bad as they are. Next season, with the same tired players on ludicrous contracts, we will be found out from the off, and that means we are nailed on candidates for the drop to L2. The last of our season ticket holders will be gone, and we'll be playing in front of 10,000 again, while Wednesday sail on with their special offers in the Star and leave us behind as they and their lovely long sufffering fans march to the Premier League.

See, its not so difficult. If it comes true I will tell you every day. If it doesn't, I will never mention it again...

 

[judge]

Len had nothing. He was predicting doom and gloom in our last promotion season, along with the endless 'nailed on' defeats which he would crow about if it happened, and would forget (or experience 'computer problems') if it didn't. Not so 'insightful' as much as 'broken clock'. There is no skill in predicting failure. If we try then we will fail, and when we fail there will be consequences. Not much earth shattering news there.

I know! Maybe my standing with the slashers will be improved if I make a prediction like Len, here goes...

This club will continue to go nowhere without a complete top to bottom clear-out, owner and manager included neither of whom know what they are doing. We will obviously fail to get anywhere near the play-offs this year, and once the loan players go back we'll be lucky not to get sucked into a relegation battle. If we avoid it this year, it will only be thanks to our lucky start playing teams who were frightened of our 'reputation' until they realised that we are as bad as they are. Next season, with the same tired players on ludicrous contracts, we will be found out from the off, and that means we are nailed on candidates for the drop to L2. The last of our season ticket holders will be gone, and we'll be playing in front of 10,000 again, while Wednesday sail on with their special offers in the Star and leave us behind as they and their lovely long sufffering fans march to the Premier League.

See, its not so difficult. If it comes true I will tell you every day. If it doesn't, I will never mention it again...

so what youre saying is micalijo really wants to be len ?

 

[grafikhaus]

Some extremely valid points here.

I particularly agree with the 'where has the money gone?' and have long thought that we've been fed bullshit. I needn't go through it all again but PL money + parachute payments (x2) + the two Kyles + Tevez etc. etc. is serious money and certainly can't be explained away on a few contracts for a few players. Add our remarkable support over this period (hardly small change) and far from United owing McCabe money, it's more like 'where the f*** has all the money gone?

People say 'who would buy us?'. There's got to be somebody out there. Look at the chicken farmers who've bought Blackburn. Hardly a 'sleeping giant' are they? Fuck, even Wilkinson managed to find a buyer for the pigs (and I'm not referring to that page 3 bird). I'm sure that if a buyer expressed interest in United, McCabe would throw up so many objections they'd walk away. United are probably the only going concern left in McCabe's 'portfolio'.

It disappoints me when I read some comments on here (and news of the atmosphere at Stevenage). I've long believed that football exactly mirrors politics and United are like Greece. Those at the top have totally screwed up, but the bloke on the street takes all the grief.

Finally (I'm going soon, don't worry! ), regardless of McCabe, Birch, Robinson and all the other bright sparks who've landed us in this shit, they'll drift on to cause further damage without being questioned. They always do. That's life. My gripe is with the recent managers - including the present incumbent - we've been saddled with. They seem to get away with a lot of things under the 'When they cross that white line, there's nothing I can do.' bollocks.

Two things on MoTD last night. 'Whatever is happening on the pitch, he's there, observing, directing and influencing things.' Obviously Danny Wilson (or anybody else) can't compare with Fergie, but is there any evidence of Wilson doing any of the above? More like a Robson-esque tailors dummy. And:

'You've instilled a never-say-die attitude into your team.' That's Paul Lambert after Norwich played at Villa. You know, that Norwich who were exactly where United are now just 2 years ago.

 

[shorehamview]

Just exactly how do you "sack the board"? They're in charge. They do the sacking. Kevin McCabe can ultimately sack the men he has appointed, but who sacks him? Only someone with a big pile of cash can replace Kevin McCabe, or indeed any other football club owner.

So perhaps "saxk the board" should be replaced with "buy out the board" and who has the finances to do that? And even if you had got the money to buy United, would you? Even a big Euromillions lottery win wouldn't buy you much in these days of mega transfers and rich, thick footballers.

 

[Micalijo]

Len had nothing. He was predicting doom and gloom in our last promotion season, along with the endless 'nailed on' defeats which he would crow about if it happened, and would forget (or experience 'computer problems') if it didn't. Not so 'insightful' as much as 'broken clock'. There is no skill in predicting failure. If we try then we will fail, and when we fail there will be consequences. Not much earth shattering news there.

I know! Maybe my standing with the slashers will be improved if I make a prediction like Len, here goes...

This club will continue to go nowhere without a complete top to bottom clear-out, owner and manager included neither of whom know what they are doing. We will obviously fail to get anywhere near the play-offs this year, and once the loan players go back we'll be lucky not to get sucked into a relegation battle. If we avoid it this year, it will only be thanks to our lucky start playing teams who were frightened of our 'reputation' until they realised that we are as bad as they are. Next season, with the same tired players on ludicrous contracts, we will be found out from the off, and that means we are nailed on candidates for the drop to L2. The last of our season ticket holders will be gone, and we'll be playing in front of 10,000 again, while Wednesday sail on with their special offers in the Star and leave us behind as they and their lovely long sufffering fans march to the Premier League.

See, its not so difficult. If it comes true I will tell you every day. If it doesn't, I will never mention it again...

Pure comedy gold.

 

[Bergen Blade]

Probably another £500,000 per year worse off. Surely you can expect the manager to manage such things?


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500k? The equivalent of five games from Sun Jihai then? Or four goals from Ched?

I agree that it's frustrating that such an employee is needed and it would have had to be the right man of course. But if it meant we had by now adopted a specific club playing style, with clearly defined roles and signings being made to fit into them, aiming to progress year by year, we may possibly have missed out on the 2009 play offs, but I think we'd be much better off financially and on the pitch now.

 

[blade too long]

lets not forget stevenage beat Charlton , who then started their current good run

You cant blame McCabe for Quinn wrong footing our defence and sending them through

comparison with the pigs results
v brentford home we won 2-0 they drew 0-0
v stevenage we lost 1-2 they lost 1-5
so we got 3 points gd 3-2
owls got 1 point gd 1-5

dont hear wednesday calling for MMs head

 

[Bergen Blade]

Not suprising that fans are happy when they tie up, at the time, the best striker in the cub. I maintain my point about it taking subsequent accounts to expose just how much we've paid the players.

Either way, fans will always encourage spending. That doesn't justify those actually in control running up an unmanageable debt pile.

UTB

True, but I think finances and long term effects should be part of the debate when we discuss potential signings though. We have a new chance to have our say on the club's spending policy with the latest rumour saying Jamie Beattie is willing to sign for us for £12k a week.

 

[Wards]

Again, ridiculous.

Granted I like Beattie and he's up there with Deane as the best striker I've seen at the Lane but to be even considering 12k on a single player in the 3rd tier is suicide.

If there is a 12k wage underspend (which we fully well know there isn't) then I'd rather us bring in 2 good defensive players.

 

[bartman]

backed on wages ???? where do you get that from ?
jags was the highest earner on £13k a week that season ,get your facts right before you spout shit

Nice and pleasant all because someone disagrees with you !!!

Better check your facts cos you are wrong...i.e you are spouting shit

See you didn't agree about Warnock wasting money on transfers thou....or are you content to kiss his backside

 

[judge]

Nice and pleasant all because someone disagrees with you !!!

Better check your facts cos you are wrong...i.e you are spouting shit

See you didn't agree about Warnock wasting m
oney on transfers thou....or are you content to kiss his backside

I have checked my facts and I'm not wrong ,

 

[bartman]

I have checked my facts and I'm not wrong ,

LOL ....we will have to agree to disagree.....remember I was talking about the overall wage bill not Jags wages.

Doesn't take away the fact that Warnock was heavily backed(by our standards) in the season before promotion and the season in the top league and he wasted money when he could have secured safety

 

[alcoblade]

lets not forget stevenage beat Charlton , who then started their current good run

You cant blame McCabe for Quinn wrong footing our defence and sending them through

comparison with the pigs results
v brentford home we won 2-0 they drew 0-0
v stevenage we lost 1-2 they lost 1-5
so we got 3 points gd 3-2
owls got 1 point gd 1-5

dont hear wednesday calling for MMs head

Wednesday were not in the premier laeuge and buying propoerites aroun the world ust a few years ago. And they didn't employ Bryan Robson and allow him the bankcrupt them.

The list of things we can blame McCabe for is so long, there's no point attaching anything to the bottom of it.


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[blade too long]

there wasnt a world recession in 2006

building firms were booming

unemployment wasnt bad

football s top earners got 100k

in your world has everything stayed the same
try putting 50 million in a club and running several businesses hit by the worst crash in history see how easy you cope

 

[Patrick Suffaux]

If only they could be sacked! McCabe wont be going anywhere soon.

A change at the top is cetainly needed and results like the one yesterday highlight it.

The club doesnt just need a cash injection, it needs a shift in momentum.

We have plenty of it at the moment but its all backwards momentum.

The team is about as good as where it is in the league and I commend the manager for that.

However in relative terms, both Sheffield clubs should be storming the division.

The fact that neither of them are is a sad indictment of how they've been run.

 

[blade too long]

we do need fresh impetus , of that theres no doubt
but just trying to alienate our financial anchor is not the way to do it
He stated hed had enough 2 years ago , had it been me getting the abuse hes had Id HAVE WALKED
We cant afford him to walk away , without securing new investment

chicken- egg situation we are in
His income from his firms has been decimated since the prem days
So hes bound to be feeling the pinch, We need a new sugar daddy , but we cant just get rid of McCabe , not till theres some finance alternatives

 

[yorkshirecoast]

we do need fresh impetus , of that theres no doubt
but just trying to alienate our financial anchor is not the way to do it

anchor is not quite the word I'd use to describe McCabe

 

[mpjacko]

Len had nothing. He was predicting doom and gloom in our last promotion season, along with the endless 'nailed on' defeats which he would crow about if it happened, and would forget (or experience 'computer problems') if it didn't. Not so 'insightful' as much as 'broken clock'. There is no skill in predicting failure. If we try then we will fail, and when we fail there will be consequences. Not much earth shattering news there.

I know! Maybe my standing with the slashers will be improved if I make a prediction like Len, here goes...

This club will continue to go nowhere without a complete top to bottom clear-out, owner and manager included neither of whom know what they are doing. We will obviously fail to get anywhere near the play-offs this year, and once the loan players go back we'll be lucky not to get sucked into a relegation battle. If we avoid it this year, it will only be thanks to our lucky start playing teams who were frightened of our 'reputation' until they realised that we are as bad as they are. Next season, with the same tired players on ludicrous contracts, we will be found out from the off, and that means we are nailed on candidates for the drop to L2. The last of our season ticket holders will be gone, and we'll be playing in front of 10,000 again, while Wednesday sail on with their special offers in the Star and leave us behind as they and their lovely long sufffering fans march to the Premier League.

See, its not so difficult. If it comes true I will tell you every day. If it doesn't, I will never mention it again...

I agree with everything you say Dunc. Maybe we need to go into L2 for KM to realise what mess we are in or even go into admistration. At least all the deadwood would get thrown out and we could start a fresh.

However, we're going to get the same old stories from KM saying he can't believe how we didn't manage to get promoted / how we didn't avoid relegation with the players we have.

Also, the season is a final example of what happends when you get a poor manager like Wilson. He hasn't achieved anything for years, he didn't apply for the job yet KM though he was the best person since slice bread.

Here is a thought. Does KM make as many mistakes when running his own company as he has done for the blades? Would you invest in his company if you knew that he did?

I can't see the blades doing anything of note for the next couple of years. We are either going to stay in L1 or be relegated to L2. I bet we lose to Oxford in the first round of the cup.


Finally, I have to disagree with the comment who said one of KM mistakes was to sack KB after two games. He should never been appointed in the first place.

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Forgot to add. I wish journalists had the balls to ask proper questions to KM. i.e why have you made so many mistakes or KM had the balls to listen to real fan questions on radio Sheffield instead of getting them filtered

 

[alcoblade]

there wasnt a world recession in 2006

building firms were booming

unemployment wasnt bad

football s top earners got 100k

in your world has everything stayed the same
try putting 50 million in a club and running several businesses hit by the worst crash in history see how easy you cope

The Chinese club losing £2M in one year isn't linked to recession
Employing Bryan Robson isnt linked to recesion
Flying players and chief execs over Europe to a Hungarin flop isn't linked to recession
Giving Robson a premier league budget in the 2nd division isn't linked to recession
Signing up to adding 15,000 empty seats costing tens of millions isn't linked to recession
Backing a manager in the summer and sacking him after 2 games isn't kinked to recession

His decisions have been abysmal. He's ALSO been hit by recession. 2 issues.

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PS

"I can't believe we were relegated with Players like Simmo and Evans".......Kevin McCabe. The man with his finger on the pulse. Not.

 

[Deleted member 875]

Lenners had it sussed:

"Frightening where our club is heading."

All Lenner's did was call it how he saw it.

The sad irony is that with most of it he wasn't that far wrong.

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Len had nothing. He was predicting doom and gloom in our last promotion season, along with the endless 'nailed on' defeats which he would crow about if it happened, and would forget (or experience 'computer problems') if it didn't. Not so 'insightful' as much as 'broken clock'. There is no skill in predicting failure. If we try then we will fail, and when we fail there will be consequences. Not much earth shattering news there.

I know! Maybe my standing with the slashers will be improved if I make a prediction like Len, here goes...

This club will continue to go nowhere without a complete top to bottom clear-out, owner and manager included neither of whom know what they are doing. We will obviously fail to get anywhere near the play-offs this year, and once the loan players go back we'll be lucky not to get sucked into a relegation battle. If we avoid it this year, it will only be thanks to our lucky start playing teams who were frightened of our 'reputation' until they realised that we are as bad as they are. Next season, with the same tired players on ludicrous contracts, we will be found out from the off, and that means we are nailed on candidates for the drop to L2. The last of our season ticket holders will be gone, and we'll be playing in front of 10,000 again, while Wednesday sail on with their special offers in the Star and leave us behind as they and their lovely long sufffering fans march to the Premier League.

See, its not so difficult. If it comes true I will tell you every day. If it doesn't, I will never mention it again...

I'll keep that, because with the way things are going that might not be too far from the truth.

 

[alcoblade]

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I'll keep that, because with the way things are going that might not be too far from the truth.

Don't lose too much faith. All it takes is the stumbling on a few key players and things can quickly look different. Deane and Agana catapulted an incredibly ordinary side upwards 2 divisions into the premiership.

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[blade too long]

The Chinese club losing £2M in one year isn't linked to recession
Employing Bryan Robson isnt linked to recesion
Flying players and chief execs over Europe to a Hungarin flop isn't linked to recession
Giving Robson a premier league budget in the 2nd division isn't linked to recession
Signing up to adding 15,000 empty seats costing tens of millions isn't linked to recession
Backing a manager in the summer and sacking him after 2 games isn't kinked to recession.

I said his decisions in picking managers shows hes a better business man than a football man
the 15000 was a means to an end , adding 20000 hasnt hurt man city, attracted super rich owners
hungary was linked to the recession , was a gamble as was china
flying execs about though , dont all clubs do that
Strafford went to LA and russia when wednesday were close to admin

but he is our overdraft facility, pushing him out does us no favours

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A look at the league 1 table a year ago shows theres no need to panic
After 16 games
Peterborough were 8th and had already lost 7 games
Southampton were 10th and had already lost 6

sothampton lost 10 in the season peterboro 13 which is 1 in 4

we get too panicky and have little faith

 

[Deleted member 875]

By the same token Sheffield Wednesday won all of their first 5 last season and look where they finished.

 

[alcoblade]

I said his decisions in picking managers shows hes a better business man than a football man
the 15000 was a means to an end , adding 20000 hasnt hurt man city, attracted super rich owners
hungary was linked to the recession , was a gamble as was china
flying execs about though , dont all clubs do that

but he is our overdraft facility, pushing him out does us no favours

If McCabe hasn't done enough to convince you that he's been a flop for us, then there's no chance that I can convince you.....

I agree with your last sentence. Though he's landed us firmly in the shit, we are where we are.

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post: 374889"]By the same token Sheffield Wednesday won all of their first 5 last season and look where they finished.

Yes, football has a habit of quickly changing. And when you're in the middle of a bad spell, it's almost impossible to see the light.

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