After Getting Rammed 🐏🍆 - Another Perspective

[Flatcap]

I'm not trying to say that the performance levels last night were acceptable, not in the slightest but I'm going to be that one person each week who tries to offer a little perspective.

Were we terrible last night? Yes. Did we get outfought and outthought? Yes.

However, with their backs firmly against the wall and fighting with a real chance of going under, Derby beat Bournemouth 3-2 on Nov 21st, beat West Brom 1-0 on Dec 27th and beat Stoke 1-2 on Dec 30th. They've drawn many and now they've beaten us.

They were never going to roll over as they haven't all season and if you take away the -21, they are above us in the league on merit. You can't just look at them as the bottom placed team because they would be firmly midtable without the points deduction.

Don't think it helped that Hecky wasn't present in the dugout after testing positive too. May have had an affect on players, especially regarding the half time talk where we needed to step it up a level and pressure Derby.

We hadn't even played a league game during the Christmas period through no fault of our own and the players have had to prepare for each one so they haven't been relaxing.

Any way, there's always one who tries to put it in perspective so this time it's me.

We can't go from "We've got a chance of playoffs" after the impressive Fulham win where people also stated that Hourihane and Robinson had good games to "We'll be lucky to stay up. Ship everybody out" after the lacklustre Derby defeat.

Just my opinion if it helps anybody calm down a little.

 

[Deadly_D'Jaffo]

I think it's right that we realign our expectations after the wonderful start Heck has made.

Let's remember that this squad is largely still the same one that was catastrophic for 2020 Wilder, average for Heck pt1 and lacklustre for Slav.

No manager is going to inherit an aging, bloated, mediocre quality squad and turn it around with no funds. Whether we like it or not, we're in the early days of a long term project now.

Priority 1
Get rid of the offensively bad & expensive (Burke, McBurnie, Berge, Mousse, Freeman, Robinson, Hourihane & Olsen)

Priority 2
Get rid of the "meh" & elders (Stevens, Lowe, RND, Slater & Didsy)

Priority 3
Make some astute signings that give us what we miss - pace, strength, athleticism and some quality to work with.

Priority 4
Develop for the future. There's cause for optimism if Brewster, Jebbo, Ndiaye, Coulibaly, Brunt, Neale, Lopata, Seriki & Gordon can fulfill their potential with us.


None of this is going to be done in a season let alone a transfer window. We're about to plateau as a Championship side so expect some 10th-15th place finishes for the next couple or seasons. The best we can hope for is that we don't financially implode and/or get sucked into the relegation quagmire.

 

[Blacksea]

I think it's right that we realign our expectations after the wonderful start Heck has made.

Let's remember that this squad is largely still the same one that was catastrophic for 2020 Wilder, average for Heck pt1 and lacklustre for Slav.

No manager is going to inherit an aging, bloated, mediocre quality squad and turn it around with no funds. Whether we like it or not, we're in the early days of a long term project now.

Priority 1
Get rid of the offensively bad & expensive (Burke, McBurnie, Berge, Mousse, Freeman, Robinson, Hourihane & Olsen)

Priority 2
Get rid of the "meh" & elders (Stevens, Lowe, RND, Slater & Didsy)

Priority 3
Make some astute signings that give us what we miss - pace, strength, athleticism and some quality to work with.

Priority 4
Develop for the future. There's cause for optimism if Brewster, Jebbo, Ndiaye, Coulibaly, Brunt, Neale, Lopata, Seriki & Gordon can fulfill their potential with us.


None of this is going to be done in a season let alone a transfer window. We're about to plateau as a Championship side so expect some 10th-15th place finishes for the next couple or seasons. The best we can hope for is that we don't financially implode and/or get sucked into the relegation quagmire.

A start would be a good idea,another half a month already gone.

 

[robbiez666]

I'm not trying to say that the performance levels last night were acceptable, not in the slightest but I'm going to be that one person each week who tries to offer a little perspective.

Were we terrible last night? Yes. Did we get outfought and outthought? Yes.

However, with their backs firmly against the wall and fighting with a real chance of going under, Derby beat Bournemouth 3-2 on Nov 21st, beat West Brom 1-0 on Dec 27th and beat Stoke 1-2 on Dec 30th. They've drawn many and now they've beaten us.

They were never going to roll over as they haven't all season and if you take away the -21, they are above us in the league on merit. You can't just look at them as the bottom placed team because they would be firmly midtable without the points deduction.

Don't think it helped that Hecky wasn't present in the dugout after testing positive too. May have had an affect on players, especially regarding the half time talk where we needed to step it up a level and pressure Derby.

We hadn't even played a league game during the Christmas period through no fault of our own and the players have had to prepare for each one so they haven't been relaxing.

Any way, there's always one who tries to put it in perspective so this time it's me.

We can't go from "We've got a chance of playoffs" after the impressive Fulham win where people also stated that Hourihane and Robinson had good games to "We'll be lucky to stay up. Ship everybody out" after the lacklustre Derby defeat.

Just my opinion if it helps anybody calm down a little.

But this sadly is modern football fans. Everything has to be amazing or terrible. Very little critical thinking. No grey areas.

It was obvious this squad wasn't going to walk the league and yet most seemed convinced we were. It's like the doom and gloom predictions of rekegation.

There are people in the rumours thread who think we're going to spend millions on players.

We're basically acting and sounding more like Wednesday fans by the week.

 

[JayGreen17]

I think it's right that we realign our expectations after the wonderful start Heck has made.

Let's remember that this squad is largely still the same one that was catastrophic for 2020 Wilder, average for Heck pt1 and lacklustre for Slav.

No manager is going to inherit an aging, bloated, mediocre quality squad and turn it around with no funds. Whether we like it or not, we're in the early days of a long term project now.

Priority 1
Get rid of the offensively bad & expensive (Burke, McBurnie, Berge, Mousse, Freeman, Robinson, Hourihane & Olsen)

Priority 2
Get rid of the "meh" & elders (Stevens, Lowe, RND, Slater & Didsy)

Priority 3
Make some astute signings that give us what we miss - pace, strength, athleticism and some quality to work with.

Priority 4
Develop for the future. There's cause for optimism if Brewster, Jebbo, Ndiaye, Coulibaly, Brunt, Neale, Lopata, Seriki & Gordon can fulfill their potential with us.


None of this is going to be done in a season let alone a transfer window. We're about to plateau as a Championship side so expect some 10th-15th place finishes for the next couple or seasons. The best we can hope for is that we don't financially implode and/or get sucked into the relegation quagmire.

Great post but I don’t think no3 is in the owners options……..

 

[Deadly_D'Jaffo]

A start would be a good idea,another half a month already gone.

A start at what? Moving players on?

Nobody is going to be banging our door down with offers for an overweight french pudding, a braindead chav or a 50m sprinter with the footballing brain of a scarecrow. The one talented, saleable asset we have skulks around a football pitch with zero desire.

The only hope of moving any of them on in this JTW is if a club gets desperate to fill a role in the dying hours of the transfer window.

 

[Harry's Game]

I think it's right that we realign our expectations after the wonderful start Heck has made.

Let's remember that this squad is largely still the same one that was catastrophic for 2020 Wilder, average for Heck pt1 and lacklustre for Slav.

No manager is going to inherit an aging, bloated, mediocre quality squad and turn it around with no funds. Whether we like it or not, we're in the early days of a long term project now.

Priority 1
Get rid of the offensively bad & expensive (Burke, McBurnie, Berge, Mousse, Freeman, Robinson, Hourihane & Olsen)

Priority 2
Get rid of the "meh" & elders (Stevens, Lowe, RND, Slater & Didsy)

Priority 3
Make some astute signings that give us what we miss - pace, strength, athleticism and some quality to work with.

Priority 4
Develop for the future. There's cause for optimism if Brewster, Jebbo, Ndiaye, Coulibaly, Brunt, Neale, Lopata, Seriki & Gordon can fulfill their potential with us.


None of this is going to be done in a season let alone a transfer window. We're about to plateau as a Championship side so expect some 10th-15th place finishes for the next couple or seasons. The best we can hope for is that we don't financially implode and/or get sucked into the relegation quagmire.

Agree with much of that..

See a slight snag with priority 3…. we are potless

 

[Deadly_D'Jaffo]

Agree with much of that..

See a slight snag with priority 3…. we are potless

I'd guess that if we achieved priority 1 & 2, we'd significantly free up the budget.

 

[BrayfordsBushyBeard]

Priority 1 agree with !
Priority 2 Lowe (as proving at forest) is more than good enough to be our left back in this division with RND as back up !
Priority 3 why no suggestions like in your other priorities? It’s not always as easy as you make it sound.
Priority 4 spot on but should be priority 1 as much as possible for the rest of the season and write this season off ! Your priority 1 might have to be done gradually as can’t imagine a queue of clubs coming calling !
As ever UTB !

 

[Boxer Blade]

I'm not trying to say that the performance levels last night were acceptable, not in the slightest but I'm going to be that one person each week who tries to offer a little perspective.

Were we terrible last night? Yes. Did we get outfought and outthought? Yes.

However, with their backs firmly against the wall and fighting with a real chance of going under, Derby beat Bournemouth 3-2 on Nov 21st, beat West Brom 1-0 on Dec 27th and beat Stoke 1-2 on Dec 30th. They've drawn many and now they've beaten us.

They were never going to roll over as they haven't all season and if you take away the -21, they are above us in the league on merit. You can't just look at them as the bottom placed team because they would be firmly midtable without the points deduction.

Don't think it helped that Hecky wasn't present in the dugout after testing positive too. May have had an affect on players, especially regarding the half time talk where we needed to step it up a level and pressure Derby.

We hadn't even played a league game during the Christmas period through no fault of our own and the players have had to prepare for each one so they haven't been relaxing.

Any way, there's always one who tries to put it in perspective so this time it's me.

We can't go from "We've got a chance of playoffs" after the impressive Fulham win where people also stated that Hourihane and Robinson had good games to "We'll be lucky to stay up. Ship everybody out" after the lacklustre Derby defeat.

Just my opinion if it helps anybody calm down a little.

Calm down a little? I was fucking great till I read that, CALM DOWN? In a real mood now, wait till the cat gets in.

 

[Blacksea]

A start at what? Moving players on?

Nobody is going to be banging our door down with offers for an overweight french pudding, a braindead chav or a 50m sprinter with the footballing brain of a scarecrow. The one talented, saleable asset we have skulks around a football pitch with zero desire.

The only hope of moving any of them on in this JTW is if a club gets desperate to fill a role in dying hours of the transfer window.

What transfer window do you think they will get moved on then?,are they improving to make themselves more attractive to other clubs while they have disappeared from ours?
We are employing people to solve problems like these,it's up to them to get creative and move the club forward,time for them to do what they are paid for instead of waiting for the phone to ring.

 

[Eddiecolquhounsleg]

I think it's right that we realign our expectations after the wonderful start Heck has made.

Let's remember that this squad is largely still the same one that was catastrophic for 2020 Wilder, average for Heck pt1 and lacklustre for Slav.

No manager is going to inherit an aging, bloated, mediocre quality squad and turn it around with no funds. Whether we like it or not, we're in the early days of a long term project now.

Priority 1
Get rid of the offensively bad & expensive (Burke, McBurnie, Berge, Mousse, Freeman, Robinson, Hourihane & Olsen)

Priority 2
Get rid of the "meh" & elders (Stevens, Lowe, RND, Slater & Didsy)

Priority 3
Make some astute signings that give us what we miss - pace, strength, athleticism and some quality to work with.

Priority 4
Develop for the future. There's cause for optimism if Brewster, Jebbo, Ndiaye, Coulibaly, Brunt, Neale, Lopata, Seriki & Gordon can fulfill their potential with us.


None of this is going to be done in a season let alone a transfer window. We're about to plateau as a Championship side so expect some 10th-15th place finishes for the next couple or seasons. The best we can hope for is that we don't financially implode and/or get sucked into the relegation quagmire.

I largely agree with priorities 1 and 2. Every manager and chairman in the league is trying to do priority 3, but with much deeper pockets than United. Blooding so many youngsters as outlined in priority 4 gets you relegated to league one, or worse.
I don't know what the answer is. Unfortunately, Idon't think our management team know either.

 

[PaulHalfway]

The way some of them are playing we are stuck with them until their contracts are finished

 

[steve26272]

Priority 1 get rid of the offensively bad & expensive
Priority 2
Get rid of the "meh" & elders
Priority 3
Make some astute signings
Priority 4
Develop for the future.

Agree with all those mate
But sadly and I say this with no offence intended, this isn’t Football Manager on the PC

1) No one wants them, they have spent the last 18months in the shop window, unfortunately that means everyone can see they’re wank.
2) if we can’t get shut of a 25 yr old crap player, who would take a decrepit crap player? Someone like Rotherham may see Stevens as an option, but they wouldn’t offer 25% of his wages to him, so why he he leave his last big salary??
3) for example? Obvious in theory, very difficult in practice
4) agree, I think we would all accept the mistakes and fuck ups, danger is we have a whole bunch of kids mentally broken, rather than just Brewster for the experience of been thrown to the lions

Bring the youth in slowly, let the big contracts run down, accept we are abou 3 years off clearing out this shite

Remember Leeds spending too much in the prem thinking they were bulletproof???
Look how that ended……

 

[Nicolaus_Copernicus]

A start at what? Moving players on?

Nobody is going to be banging our door down with offers for an overweight french pudding, a braindead chav or a 50m sprinter with the footballing brain of a scarecrow. The one talented, saleable asset we have skulks around a football pitch with zero desire.

The only hope of moving any of them on in this JTW is if a club gets desperate to fill a role in the dying hours of the transfer window.

We should make a start this JTW & show a sign of intent and get rid of Mousset. One way or the other.

 

[MK4BLADE]

Just on point 3, i'd potentially take a look at Kabongo Tshimanga from down the road in Chesterfield. I might get stick for this but hes scored 20 in 20, ok only at conference level but when Chesterfield played Chelsea he gave the Chelsea defenders a bit of a torrid time and showed some speed and nice flicks and set up their goal.

He'd fall into a cheap signing bracket probably 1-2 million max, so not losing much if he cant hack it. Hes 24. assuming we can offload Burke, McBurnie, Mousset, Berge for a combined 10 mill (2-3 each which lets face it is the most we will get) it might be worth a gamble

 

[dn5 shaun]

I think it's right that we realign our expectations after the wonderful start Heck has made.

Let's remember that this squad is largely still the same one that was catastrophic for 2020 Wilder, average for Heck pt1 and lacklustre for Slav.

No manager is going to inherit an aging, bloated, mediocre quality squad and turn it around with no funds. Whether we like it or not, we're in the early days of a long term project now.

Priority 1
Get rid of the offensively bad & expensive (Burke, McBurnie, Berge, Mousse, Freeman, Robinson, Hourihane & Olsen)

Priority 2
Get rid of the "meh" & elders (Stevens, Lowe, RND, Slater & Didsy)

Priority 3
Make some astute signings that give us what we miss - pace, strength, athleticism and some quality to work with.

Priority 4
Develop for the future. There's cause for optimism if Brewster, Jebbo, Ndiaye, Coulibaly, Brunt, Neale, Lopata, Seriki & Gordon can fulfill their potential with us.


None of this is going to be done in a season let alone a transfer window. We're about to plateau as a Championship side so expect some 10th-15th place finishes for the next couple or seasons. The best we can hope for is that we don't financially implode and/or get sucked into the relegation quagmire.

When will people get it into their heads that priority 1 & 2 won't happens cos nobody's coming in for our shit, overpaid, overweight duck eggs. Not one of them will go in the January window so we're stuck with them. The rudderless club will be getting skinter by the day, no outs means no ins and we've all see how poor we are without our best (loan) player.

 

[Snowflake]

But this sadly is modern football fans. Everything has to be amazing or terrible. Very little critical thinking. No grey areas.

It was obvious this squad wasn't going to walk the league and yet most seemed convinced we were. It's like the doom and gloom predictions of rekegation.

There are people in the rumours thread who think we're going to spend millions on players.

We're basically acting and sounding more like Wednesday fans by the week.

Given that £2m is “millions” I am one of those who think we will spend that much !

 

[Speedracer]

I'm not trying to say that the performance levels last night were acceptable, not in the slightest but I'm going to be that one person each week who tries to offer a little perspective.

Were we terrible last night? Yes. Did we get outfought and outthought? Yes.

However, with their backs firmly against the wall and fighting with a real chance of going under, Derby beat Bournemouth 3-2 on Nov 21st, beat West Brom 1-0 on Dec 27th and beat Stoke 1-2 on Dec 30th. They've drawn many and now they've beaten us.

They were never going to roll over as they haven't all season and if you take away the -21, they are above us in the league on merit. You can't just look at them as the bottom placed team because they would be firmly midtable without the points deduction.

Don't think it helped that Hecky wasn't present in the dugout after testing positive too. May have had an affect on players, especially regarding the half time talk where we needed to step it up a level and pressure Derby.

We hadn't even played a league game during the Christmas period through no fault of our own and the players have had to prepare for each one so they haven't been relaxing.

Any way, there's always one who tries to put it in perspective so this time it's me.

We can't go from "We've got a chance of playoffs" after the impressive Fulham win where people also stated that Hourihane and Robinson had good games to "We'll be lucky to stay up. Ship everybody out" after the lacklustre Derby defeat.

Just my opinion if it helps anybody calm down a little.

I think you are being far too easy on the players if I am honest. I personally don't like hurling criticism at the players, but the fact I now sometimes do is down to being so disappointed at them week after week after month.
Your point about Derby fighting for each other should equally apply to our own team, the level of performance from them for so long has been unacceptable. The vast majority of them got to 9th in the Premier League, so why the hell are they looking like they have no professional pride or even personal pride? We had a golden change to change the future of our club after that 9th place finish, but just a few short months later we look to be a shambles from top to bottom & don't show anything to give fans optimism that is was all a terrible nightmare & they have woken up to the situation they find themselves in & get back to the standards they have shown themselves of producing.
I don't care what position Derby, or any other club are in, but I expect our players to care & give everything they have to stop the slide we are in.

 

[Stu_Blade]

I don't know how accurate this wage structure is, I know with Ben Davies we are covering a proportion of the wages not sure exact amounts https://salarysport.com/football/premier-league/sheffield-united-f.c./ but if this is accurate I believe Freeman is gone in the summer so that will free up some wages.

 

[Broomhall Blade]

I'm not trying to say that the performance levels last night were acceptable, not in the slightest but I'm going to be that one person each week who tries to offer a little perspective.

Were we terrible last night? Yes. Did we get outfought and outthought? Yes.

However, with their backs firmly against the wall and fighting with a real chance of going under, Derby beat Bournemouth 3-2 on Nov 21st, beat West Brom 1-0 on Dec 27th and beat Stoke 1-2 on Dec 30th. They've drawn many and now they've beaten us.

They were never going to roll over as they haven't all season and if you take away the -21, they are above us in the league on merit. You can't just look at them as the bottom placed team because they would be firmly midtable without the points deduction.

Don't think it helped that Hecky wasn't present in the dugout after testing positive too. May have had an affect on players, especially regarding the half time talk where we needed to step it up a level and pressure Derby.

We hadn't even played a league game during the Christmas period through no fault of our own and the players have had to prepare for each one so they haven't been relaxing.

Any way, there's always one who tries to put it in perspective so this time it's me.

We can't go from "We've got a chance of playoffs" after the impressive Fulham win where people also stated that Hourihane and Robinson had good games to "We'll be lucky to stay up. Ship everybody out" after the lacklustre Derby defeat.

Just my opinion if it helps anybody calm down a little.

Your point might have been valid except for the fact Derby were really poor, and do you honestly think if Hecky was in the dugout it would have made any difference ?

The side is desperately in need of new additions and some players moving on, and by new additions I don't mean from Middlesbrough reserves.
We are skint the Prince seems to have lost interest and buggered off, all clubs in 'United World' are struggling.
Unfortunately we are stuck with Hecky, McCall and Lester and any hope of a return to the Premiership has gone, infact while I don't think for one minute we will go down this season I am really worried about next season, and more so that even if the worst did happen we would still be stuck with the three stooges.
The only hope i can see and its very slim hope i admit is somebody buying us.

 

[ATL Recs]

I'm not trying to say that the performance levels last night were acceptable, not in the slightest but I'm going to be that one person each week who tries to offer a little perspective.

Were we terrible last night? Yes. Did we get outfought and outthought? Yes.

However, with their backs firmly against the wall and fighting with a real chance of going under, Derby beat Bournemouth 3-2 on Nov 21st, beat West Brom 1-0 on Dec 27th and beat Stoke 1-2 on Dec 30th. They've drawn many and now they've beaten us.

They were never going to roll over as they haven't all season and if you take away the -21, they are above us in the league on merit. You can't just look at them as the bottom placed team because they would be firmly midtable without the points deduction.

Don't think it helped that Hecky wasn't present in the dugout after testing positive too. May have had an affect on players, especially regarding the half time talk where we needed to step it up a level and pressure Derby.

We hadn't even played a league game during the Christmas period through no fault of our own and the players have had to prepare for each one so they haven't been relaxing.

Any way, there's always one who tries to put it in perspective so this time it's me.

We can't go from "We've got a chance of playoffs" after the impressive Fulham win where people also stated that Hourihane and Robinson had good games to "We'll be lucky to stay up. Ship everybody out" after the lacklustre Derby defeat.

Just my opinion if it helps anybody calm down a little.

Fulham wax a one off