Ched out

[Rattly Noise]

Whatever happens it's likely that Ched will be leaving us soon, either as an outcome of the court case or if he's found not-guilty, in the January sales. As probably the highest earner at the club we simply can't afford him but given that he appears to have now found his form should we expect the club to go for broke and keep him and if so, at what cost? Who will we have to sell instead?

 

[blade too long]

I think the departure of Bogdanovic and the million plus for Slew has given us less cause to hold a fire sale, on top of Henderson and Yeates leaving ,the budget cant be so unhealthy now , especially if theyre on about a possible offer to Beattie

 

[blader]

I would happily let him go if we commanded a reasonable fee for him. He would free up a lot of wages and is by no means a superstar. I'd rather we got rid of him and went for broke ensuring we kept Quinn Lowton and Maguire to be honest. Hopefully, if he was off the wage bill, it would allow us to bring in a couple more additions preferably with a bit of pace!!

 

[Ollessendro]

Surely it depends on where we are Rattly. If we are 1st of 2nd and Chedwynn is firing them in then Wilson will have a case for saying to McCabe/the board 'let me keep him tio the end of the season and I'll get us promoted'.

 

[Bladesway]

If he has banged in 15 goals by Christmas then we are faced with a real problem. But it might also force the clubs valuation of him to be reasessed upwards. Also depends on how many goals those around him have scored by then as well. If he is banging them in and playing well I would like to see us keep him and forget BT. As for the court case. No one knows how that is going to go so best we say nowt about it.

 

[madeinsheffield]

If Ched IS on £20k a week, and we can get BT for £6k it would allow a pacey winger and keeper back up, although Ched did look sharper on Saturday than he has in a long time

 

[Tuns]

McCabe has said he wants the money back from the debts the club has accrued during his tenure.

The hole in the finances is tens of millions. Any idea that Ched's wages can somehow be re-invested in other players seems a non starter i=n this context.

The cuts the club wants to the wage bill are huge. And I guess they assumed they'd be off loading Ched, Quinn and Monty in the summer.

Hopefully McCabe will feel he has a better chance of getting money out of the club if there is a sensible and calculated gamble with the budget this season in order to make greater gains in higher leagues down the line.

Having said that I'd sell Ched anyway (if only we could) - even if we could only use 25% of the wages for a pacy striker - it's going to take months of top performances in League One to convince me he is a player.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

McCabe has said he wants the money back from the debts the club has accrued during his tenure.

Has he? I can't remember Mica mentioning this, and he surely would have if McCabe made this statement?

 

[beechblade]

Has he? I can't remember Mica mentioning this, and he surely would have if McCabe made this statement?

I thought he'd translated that debt it into shares.

 

[ColUDave]

You have quite a player on your hands with Evans.

He has looked a cut above the other forwards in this division. Whilst he hasn't got blistering pace, he has fantastic movement and a clinical eye for goal.

It was his intelligent play that lead directly to your second on Sat.

Don't know too much about his off the field discretions, but if he keeps up the form he showed on Sat he should rip teams apart in this league.

Like Lids with Beckford, his goals could be key in shooting you to promotion. But if you can get some dosh for him and reinforce, Cresswell and Porter in theory should be enough to walk the league anyway!

Would love a player like Evans in my team, he linked brilliant with Quinn all game.

 

[Bladesway]

You have quite a player on your hands with Evans.

He has looked a cut above the other forwards in this division. Whilst he hasn't got blistering pace, he has fantastic movement and a clinical eye for goal.

It was his intelligent play that lead directly to your second on Sat.

Don't know too much about his off the field discretions, but if he keeps up the form he showed on Sat he should rip teams apart in this league.

Like Lids with Beckford, his goals could be key in shooting you to promotion. But if you can get some dosh for him and reinforce, Cresswell and Porter in theory should be enough to walk the league anyway!

Would love a player like Evans in my team, he linked brilliant with Quinn all game.

Always pays to hear what the oppo think about him. If you forget what we paid for him (McCabe seems to) and if we can pay his wages (£1m for slew means we should be able to) then we should perhaps speculate to accumulate. Not that we will of course

 

[JohnDenver]

You have quite a player on your hands with Evans.

He has looked a cut above the other forwards in this division. Whilst he hasn't got blistering pace, he has fantastic movement and a clinical eye for goal.

It was his intelligent play that lead directly to your second on Sat.

Don't know too much about his off the field discretions, but if he keeps up the form he showed on Sat he should rip teams apart in this league.

Like Lids with Beckford, his goals could be key in shooting you to promotion. But if you can get some dosh for him and reinforce, Cresswell and Porter in theory should be enough to walk the league anyway!

Would love a player like Evans in my team, he linked brilliant with Quinn all game.

Honestly, it's just amazing to read that paragraph. He's been so bad for the past two years that the fact we put all our eggs in one (his) basket effectively got us relegated.

We pay him £20k a week for pity's sake. To play in the third tier.

 

[Darren]

Honestly, it's just amazing to read that paragraph. He's been so bad for the past two years that the fact we put all our eggs in one (his) basket effectively got us relegated.

We pay him £20k a week for pity's sake. To play in the third tier.

I know this 20K figure gets bandied about a lot, but is there any evidence for it?

 

[JohnDenver]

I know this 20K figure gets bandied about a lot, but is there any evidence for it?

I can't back it up, no, but it seems to go largely uncontested.

He was the highest paid player in our division when we signed him (according to McCabe).

Hearsay = fact. You know that.

 

[ColUDave]

Honestly, it's just amazing to read that paragraph. He's been so bad for the past two years that the fact we put all our eggs in one (his) basket effectively got us relegated.

We pay him £20k a week for pity's sake. To play in the third tier.

Can see where you are coming from.

But there could be a whole lot of other things involved such as style or play or the approach of the manager.

You have obviously seen a lot more of him than I have, but sometimes a player can come into a team for big money and be on a decent packet and struggle until someone puts an arm around him and says to him "Look here son, get it together"

He looked a super prospect at City and maybe he thought he had made it. Maybe the reality has set in now that he actually has to knuckle down and start afresh with your team?

I like Danny Wilson as a manager, he seems to do really well with his sides and he knows this division like the back of his hand. He has obviously restored some confidence back into Evans and it will pay dividends.

Adams was a terrible manager for you, he was the assistant gaffer for us when we got relegated from the Championship and I don't think he was a decent motivator or man manager where I think Wilson is the opposite.

 

[Darren]

Adams was a terrible manager for you, he was the assistant gaffer for us when we got relegated from the Championship and I don't think he was a decent motivator or man manager where I think Wilson is the opposite.

I think your blog had it right when it said you had to wonder what we were doing in this division given the players we have. The fact is that only a manager of utter and woeful incompetence could have seen us relegated last season. Adams was that manager.

 

[Ollessendro]

I think your blog had it right when it said you had to wonder what we were doing in this division given the players we have. The fact is that only a manager of utter and woeful incompetence could have seen us relegated last season. Adams was that manager.

Geez, this forum has turned on it's head. We've got Swiss as cynical, negative and in outright denial of anything positive associated with SUFC (Lenners anyone?) and now Darren is doing his Micalijo impression!?

For what it is worth I agree with old Dazzler.

You have quite a player on your hands with Evans.

He has looked a cut above the other forwards in this division. Whilst he hasn't got blistering pace, he has fantastic movement and a clinical eye for goal.

It was his intelligent play that lead directly to your second on Sat.

Don't know too much about his off the field discretions, but if he keeps up the form he showed on Sat he should rip teams apart in this league.

Like Lids with Beckford, his goals could be key in shooting you to promotion. But if you can get some dosh for him and reinforce, Cresswell and Porter in theory should be enough to walk the league anyway!

Would love a player like Evans in my team, he linked brilliant with Quinn all game.

Interesting stuff that Dave. To be fair Evans has been poor at United, but how much of this is down to poor man management. He had (semi pro ex goal keeper, arrogant buffoon, negative and tactially inept) Blackwell, Gary (rabbit in the headlights) Speed and (ale house manager) Micky Adams trying to motivate him. The early signs are that Wilson might get the best out of him.

Despite Evans being poor at United, I think he has something to offer. He has shown flashes of brilliance, but this has been outshadow by his poor workrate, poor goalscoring record, apparent lazy-ness, and lack of a footballing brain. I do remember occassions where he has looked shit hot (though they are few and far between). When he first signed we played Watford and he scored a good goal. A mate of mine was saying he was a young (poor mans) Alan Shearer. I remember away at QPR in the cup him and Cresswell looked really good together, but Evans just lacked a bit of confidence. Same away against Derby last season: got himself in all the right positions, won headers and held the ball up, linked well BUT just could not score.

Ale house Micky seemed to be getting the best out of Ched (and Quinn) last season and Wilson has carried this on. By all accounts on Saturday Evans looked confident. That could be the deciding factor. Throughout his United career he has never looked confident and we all know that strikers feed off this. A lot of people are (quite rightly) sceptical about Evans and it is up to him to prove them wrong. Over to you Chedwyn (keep up the good work).

 

[Trafford]

I don't have a problem with Ched's workrate but I have yet to see any evidence that he is a natural goalscorer and his positional play isn't brilliant. Three times on Saturday the ball whizzed across the goal and just missed the far post and nobody was there to poke it in - that's the main thing that Cresswell brings to the party, he's much better at getting on the end of them.

 

[mattbianco1]

Ale house Micky seemed to be getting the best out of Ched (and Quinn) last season and Wilson has carried this on. By all accounts on Saturday Evans looked confident. That could be the deciding factor. Throughout his United career he has never looked confident and we all know that strikers feed off this. A lot of people are (quite rightly) sceptical about Evans and it is up to him to prove them wrong. Over to you Chedwyn (keep up the good work).

Beat me to that, I thought he played very well towards the back end of the season. I put that down to Alan Cork's influence. NOT Mickey adams

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

If he has banged in 15 goals by Christmas

He'll still be 100 short of where he should be

 

[Blade Blade]

Whatever happens it's likely that Ched will be leaving us soon, either as an outcome of the court case or if he's found not-guilty, in the January sales. As probably the highest earner at the club we simply can't afford him but given that he appears to have now found his form should we expect the club to go for broke and keep him and if so, at what cost? Who will we have to sell instead?

I really can't see the court case being finished by the end of January. These things drag on for a long time. I think he's ours for the season, whether that's good or bad.

 

[Darren]

I really can't see the court case being finished by the end of January. These things drag on for a long time. I think he's ours for the season, whether that's good or bad.

His pleas and directions hearing is next month if I remember rightly. A gap of three months between that and a trial in a relatively simple case with probably only 3 substantive witnesses (the complainant, Ched and his mate) would be normal in London and courts in north Wales are probably somewhat less busy.

 

[Blade Blade]

His pleas and directions hearing is next month if I remember rightly. A gap of three months between that and a trial in a relatively simple case with probably only 3 substantive witnesses (the complainant, Ched and his mate) would be normal in London and courts in north Wales are probably somewhat less busy.

Well you'll know better than me but something always seems to crop up and delay cases in my experience! (not being the defendant of course)

 

[Micalijo]

I think your blog had it right when it said you had to wonder what we were doing in this division given the players we have. The fact is that only a manager of utter and woeful incompetence could have seen us relegated last season. Adams was that manager.

I agree with you obviously, but try and stick to what you do best Darren eh?

 

[alcoblade]

A player we bought to get us to the premier league might find his level in the third tier. I'll stick to my line and leave it to Evans to prove me wrong. That said, what can he do in 6 3rd division months to alter the fact that he has been a totally disasterous signing for us. Fire us to promotion Ched, you owe us that much.

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[Jehovah]

There seems to be a feeling of resentment towards our Ched even if he does well. He has been a poor signing, no doubt, but everyone deserves a new lease of life. Given that we are in a new division, with a new manager, are people still not going to be satisfied if he scores a goal a game (his current avaerage)?

 

[stannyblade]

He does look like a different player now. Hope we keep him and he is found not guilty. If he keeps scoring goals then who knows he may have the confidence to keep scoring in the championship next year

 

[alcoblade]

There seems to be a feeling of resentment towards our Ched even if he does well. He has been a poor signing, no doubt, but everyone deserves a new lease of life. Given that we are in a new division, with a new manager, are people still not going to be satisfied if he scores a goal a game (his current avaerage)?

Hands up. After we've blown £6M on the deal, I feel very resentful at what we've had in return. It's not his fault in so much as we offered the money, but he's now a multi millionaire at our expense so he'll be OK, and I expected far more. I hold him responsible for his ineptitude since he signed. Let's hope he pays a little back this season.

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[stannyblade]

Hands up. After we've blown £6M on the deal, I feel very resentful at what we've had in return. It's not his fault in so much as we offered the money, but he's now a multi millionaire at our expense so he'll be OK, and I expected far more. I hold him responsible for his ineptitude since he signed. Let's hope he pays a little back this season.

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Do you think his better form this season may be partly down to playing in a football team instead of as ollie would say HOOF ball? I know a lot of it will be down to being in league 1

 

[alcoblade]

Do you think his better form this season may be partly down to playing in a football team instead of as ollie would say HOOF ball? I know a lot of it will be down to being in league 1

Quite possibly fella. We've seen quite a few turn their game around. The disappointing thing, for me, is that I've never been able to spot a part of Ched's game that I could say we could play to under a differant style. He's not pacey, intelligent, skillfull or physical. I can see him getting 15 goals for us this season though and we're short up front, so I must leave my preconceptions behind.


***sits on hands***



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