The plan as always is to leave a legacy

[SB_90]

but but i was ganged up on shoutbox. for saying that people dont like chris wilder in same way people dont like neil warnock. that i was imagine these negative posts & that they never happened.

im assuming that this thread is mirage as well

 

[N20 Blade]

Foderingham
A figure of ridicule at almost every club he’s been at.

Lowe
Ushered out the door quicker than he came through it.

Stevens
A player who came up through the divisions as part of the journey. No longer up to it.

Egan
The only fit centre-half left from the Wilder era. A shadow of himself without O’Connell.

Robinson
Abysmal.

Bogle
A bog-standard Championship right-back who clearly isn’t up to it this season.

Baldock
Again, part of the journey. But just loves to complicate everything he does and a headless chicken in the opposition half.

O’Connell
Played through injury - one which could possibly end his career. No sign of being close to a return.

Basham
The only one who can still hold his head high. But without time on his side.

Osborn
Jack of all trades. Master of none.

Norwood
The most ‘confidence player’ I’ve ever seen. Awful without it. Lacks a midfield presence EVERY midfielder should have.

Fleck
Absolutely no idea what’s happened to him but he’s dog shit.

Freeman
What an outstanding £4m capture that was.

Berge
A £20m superstar who can’t stay fit but is a really nice lad, apparently.

Brewster
A £20m striker who couldn’t score in a brothel.

McBurnie
A £20m striker who looks like he won a competition.

Mousset
A £10m striker who can’t get close to 10 games without injury.

McGoldrick
A star of the journey who Wilder got the best out of. Even at his best he was turd in front of goal. Now looks like the player Ipswich released but 5 years older.

Burke
Looks like he lost a competition and turned up anyway.

Sharp
A club legend who, like Basham, can hold his head high and still offerBut can’t be far off retiring.

That’s some legacy, Chrissy.

Clough signed Bash & Adkins Sharp. I'm glad they did.

 

[nopigfansintown]

but but i was ganged up on shoutbox. for saying that people dont like chris wilder in same way people dont like neil warnock. that i was imagine these negative posts & that they never happened.

im assuming that this thread is mirage as well

Bassett got it too (although people like to rewrite history). I call it jilted lover syndrome. There is no need for any reference to the recent ex Blades manager. "A thank you for the journey and good luck in the future" would've sufficed. It's very unedifying, and isn't allowing the club to move on.

Incidentally - and this may just be coincidence - a lot of these types were in the "get Slav in he's the panacea for everything" camp . Now things aren't going well all our players are crap and it's all the former manager's fault .

 

[west_yorks_blade]

Foderingham
A figure of ridicule at almost every club he’s been at.

Lowe
Ushered out the door quicker than he came through it.

Stevens
A player who came up through the divisions as part of the journey. No longer up to it.

Egan
The only fit centre-half left from the Wilder era. A shadow of himself without O’Connell.

Robinson
Abysmal.

Bogle
A bog-standard Championship right-back who clearly isn’t up to it this season.

Baldock
Again, part of the journey. But just loves to complicate everything he does and a headless chicken in the opposition half.

O’Connell
Played through injury - one which could possibly end his career. No sign of being close to a return.

Basham
The only one who can still hold his head high. But without time on his side.

Osborn
Jack of all trades. Master of none.

Norwood
The most ‘confidence player’ I’ve ever seen. Awful without it. Lacks a midfield presence EVERY midfielder should have.

Fleck
Absolutely no idea what’s happened to him but he’s dog shit.

Freeman
What an outstanding £4m capture that was.

Berge
A £20m superstar who can’t stay fit but is a really nice lad, apparently.

Brewster
A £20m striker who couldn’t score in a brothel.

McBurnie
A £20m striker who looks like he won a competition.

Mousset
A £10m striker who can’t get close to 10 games without injury.

McGoldrick
A star of the journey who Wilder got the best out of. Even at his best he was turd in front of goal. Now looks like the player Ipswich released but 5 years older.

Burke
Looks like he lost a competition and turned up anyway.

Sharp
A club legend who, like Basham, can hold his head high and still offerBut can’t be far off retiring.

That’s some legacy, Chrissy.

I know what your point is here, but what is the value in this?

So you now hate a previous manager because you feel let down.

In reality he was far from perfect but equally he was far from terrible.

We had some great times, then we had embarked on the current journey into bad times.

Dry your eyes and look forward, this kind of stuff is just futile and boring.

 

[S64 Blade]

I don’t think you understand what legacy means…sure that’s an achievement but not a legacy.

100% this. Even if you said that the final league position he got us to could be deemed as a legacy, then it must be a weak one as we are currently in the lower half of the Championship.

It sadly looks more like a flash-in-pan period of success for the club, rather than a legacy.

 

[Hodgesleftpeg]

I can forgive him the mistakes. He's young and still learning. I just wish he stayed to pick up the pieces. Horrible seeing him and Knilly at boro they should still be here.

Granted he’s still learning…. But young? He’s 54!!

 

[alcoblade]

Foderingham
A figure of ridicule at almost every club he’s been at.

Lowe
Ushered out the door quicker than he came through it.

Stevens
A player who came up through the divisions as part of the journey. No longer up to it.

Egan
The only fit centre-half left from the Wilder era. A shadow of himself without O’Connell.

Robinson
Abysmal.

Bogle
A bog-standard Championship right-back who clearly isn’t up to it this season.

Baldock
Again, part of the journey. But just loves to complicate everything he does and a headless chicken in the opposition half.

O’Connell
Played through injury - one which could possibly end his career. No sign of being close to a return.

Basham
The only one who can still hold his head high. But without time on his side.

Osborn
Jack of all trades. Master of none.

Norwood
The most ‘confidence player’ I’ve ever seen. Awful without it. Lacks a midfield presence EVERY midfielder should have.

Fleck
Absolutely no idea what’s happened to him but he’s dog shit.

Freeman
What an outstanding £4m capture that was.

Berge
A £20m superstar who can’t stay fit but is a really nice lad, apparently.

Brewster
A £20m striker who couldn’t score in a brothel.

McBurnie
A £20m striker who looks like he won a competition.

Mousset
A £10m striker who can’t get close to 10 games without injury.

McGoldrick
A star of the journey who Wilder got the best out of. Even at his best he was turd in front of goal. Now looks like the player Ipswich released but 5 years older.

Burke
Looks like he lost a competition and turned up anyway.

Sharp
A club legend who, like Basham, can hold his head high and still offerBut can’t be far off retiring.

That’s some legacy, Chrissy.

Memories - 4 of the most enjoyable years in 50 years of supporting us. That’s a legacy for me.

 

[SB_90]

Bassett got it too (although people like to rewrite history). I call it jilted lover syndrome. There is no need for any reference to the recent ex Blades manager. "A thank you for the journey and good luck in the future" would've sufficed. It's very unedifying, and isn't allowing the club to move on.

Incidentally - and this may just be coincidence - a lot of these types were in the "get Slav in he's the panacea for everything" camp . Now things aren't going well all our players are crap and it's all the former manager's fault .

this was my point, as i said that why is it that 3 of the best managers, bassett, warnock & wilder we've had in our history, have always left with people hating them. but too many people too many mention on the shoutbox. told me quite emphatically that i was imagining this

 

[Revolution]

The Premier league games are not indicative of the adequacies/inadequacies of this squad. None of our players have proven premier league records, beyond a season at best. They should be doing much better in the Championship which is a gargantuan drop in quality. The reason why they aren't is obvious. If Warnock was given this squad (including six high cost additions and the emergence of Ndiaye by the way!) we'd be up by March.

I can't get on board with this notion that all our players are shit and that their proven records at the level count for nothing. I can get on board with the idea that some of the older players have declined, that's it. The management need to do much better.

I do not accept it is obvious that they should be doing better.

To give just two examples, it is readily apparent that Norwood and Fleck cannot cover the same ground that they were able to do 2 seasons ago.

Plus you must admit that one of the reasons we are not doing well is the sheer number of unforced errors committed by our players this season, ranging from Robinsons defensive lapses to McGoldricks misses. That is a player problem, not a manager problem.

I would also argue that last seasons dismal performance is indicative of squad inadequacy, which is why my pre season prediction was that we’d miss the playoffs.

 

[TJ blade]

Bogle is half decent imo

Bogle is League 1 at best. He cannot defend to save his fucking life.

 

[Superblades]

Foderingham
A figure of ridicule at almost every club he’s been at.

Lowe
Ushered out the door quicker than he came through it.

Stevens
A player who came up through the divisions as part of the journey. No longer up to it.

Egan
The only fit centre-half left from the Wilder era. A shadow of himself without O’Connell.

Robinson
Abysmal.

Bogle
A bog-standard Championship right-back who clearly isn’t up to it this season.

Baldock
Again, part of the journey. But just loves to complicate everything he does and a headless chicken in the opposition half.

O’Connell
Played through injury - one which could possibly end his career. No sign of being close to a return.

Basham
The only one who can still hold his head high. But without time on his side.

Osborn
Jack of all trades. Master of none.

Norwood
The most ‘confidence player’ I’ve ever seen. Awful without it. Lacks a midfield presence EVERY midfielder should have.

Fleck
Absolutely no idea what’s happened to him but he’s dog shit.

Freeman
What an outstanding £4m capture that was.

Berge
A £20m superstar who can’t stay fit but is a really nice lad, apparently.

Brewster
A £20m striker who couldn’t score in a brothel.

McBurnie
A £20m striker who looks like he won a competition.

Mousset
A £10m striker who can’t get close to 10 games without injury.

McGoldrick
A star of the journey who Wilder got the best out of. Even at his best he was turd in front of goal. Now looks like the player Ipswich released but 5 years older.

Burke
Looks like he lost a competition and turned up anyway.

Sharp
A club legend who, like Basham, can hold his head high and still offerBut can’t be far off retiring.

That’s some legacy, Chrissy.

I think you’re being kind to Moose with the 10 games. He’s lucky to be fire for 3 in a row these days.

 

[Blad]

Thinking all morning what can I post, what thread can I post to get more likes because I’m so sad. I’m not going to post a positive thread, think I’ll just do one on our ex manager for somert to do.

If you are that lonely stick to Facebook and post your dinner that will get you some likes off other smelly bastards

 

[Millhousesblade1889]

I guess we'll see the true extent of his ability at Boro. They're a mid-table team, maybe a sleeping giant based on their past premier league/cup success but I'm not so sure on that. Newcastle & Sunderland are the well supported teams up there.

I personally think he'll do well, until the owners dont back him then it will be world war 4 (ww3 being The Prince vs Wilder)

 

[nopigfansintown]

I'd readily accept that older players have declined e.g. Sharp and McGoldrick. That's human nature. Norwood and Fleck were always bad at covering ground. That was the genius of the system: covering up their weaknesses with the position of the centre backs and the extra midfielder. Fleck has never had the skill set to hold yet we persist in using him there. Norwood spent large swathes of matches deeper than the wide centre backs which made it much more difficult to catch him in defensive transitions until Wilder's system broke down. Now if you want to play those two in an orthodox system (particularly in a two) you better have an unbelievable box to box mid next to them. We don't...yet we persist.
There's been unforced errors yes. The Championship is a desperately poor league this year. If we were bang average we'd be sat 3rd or 4th or something. All we'd have to have done is close games out better and score some of those sitters.

 

[nopigfansintown]

I do not accept it is obvious that they should be doing better.

To give just two examples, it is readily apparent that Norwood and Fleck cannot cover the same ground that they were able to do 2 seasons ago.

Plus you must admit that one of the reasons we are not doing well is the sheer number of unforced errors committed by our players this season, ranging from Robinsons defensive lapses to McGoldricks misses. That is a player problem, not a manager problem.

I would also argue that last seasons dismal performance is indicative of squad inadequacy, which is why my pre season prediction was that we’d miss the playoffs.

I'd readily accept that older players have declined e.g. Sharp and McGoldrick. That's human nature. Norwood and Fleck were always bad at covering ground. That was the genius of the system: covering up their weaknesses with the position of the centre backs and the extra midfielder. Fleck has never had the skill set to hold yet we persist in using him there?! Norwood spent large swathes of matches deeper than the wide centre backs which made it much more difficult to catch him in defensive transitions - until Wilder's system broke down. Now if you want to play those two in an orthodox system (particularly in a two) you better have an unbelievable box to box mid next to them. We don't...yet we persist.
There's been unforced errors yes. The Championship is a desperately poor league this year. If we were bang average we'd be sat 3rd or 4th or something. All we'd have to have done is close games out better and score some of those sitters.

 

[jt64]

The £200m never touched the sides in our bank account unfortunately.

So where did the money for Berge, Brewster, McBurnie, Ramsdale etc come from? Did it grow on a magic tree?

 

[N20 Blade]

this was my point, as i said that why is it that 3 of the best managers, bassett, warnock & wilder we've had in our history, have always left with people hating them. but too many people too many mention on the shoutbox. told me quite emphatically that i was imagining this

I think all three had very different periods in charge, were contrasting personalities and faced unique difficulties within the club itself.

Sure, towards the end of Bassett, large sections turned on him, but hatred? Most understood he'd done his utmost in trying circumstances. A lesser man would have walked after Deano got sold, when he was on holiday. We neve recovered from that, although if the board had provided money for Blake earlier, who knows? Bassett should have left after Chelsea, he admits this, but again his loyalty was poignant. I'd be amazed if even a year after he left, whether any United fans felt anything but thanks and admiration for him and his achievements. But no legacy.

Warnock kept us up and gave us our pride back, especially in the triple assault season. Initially he worked well with McCabe, the crowds came back during this period and we played with passion and no little ability. The loss of Brown and the hangover from two semi and a final defeat stifled progress but the transfer activity was frenetic and he got the squad he needed, to eventually take up. There was the Portsmouth saga but Warnock has and always will be an idiosyncratic personality who would fall out with himself if it was just him in the room. Yes, his away tactics and signings cost us in the PL, but it was very close. A fit Hulse and who knows? Did people hate him when we were relegated, I really didn't sense this. We should have kept him for at least another season but didn't. Increasingly he became hated but in a Kaiser Soze way, where it was the myth that attracted attention. Legacy. Yes, the academy set up. We were cash rich when he left. Not his fault Robson blew the money and chance to bounce back.

So Wilder. Too much said and written already. Hated? Personally I feel depressed seeing him at Boro and jealous. That could and should have been us, there really was a chance for something special. After the Palace away game win when Berge debuted, it felt as if United were at the party, we'd arrived. No one would have believed what's unraveled since, it's so sad. I'm afraid to say that of the three, Wilder will become the devil incarnate and a figure of real hatred. He'll do well at Boro, working with a loyal, rich and level headed chairman (fan too) and will be given time and money. Boro fans are success starved (less then we were) and will respond to his working class cloak and honest approach. Our fans will become more embittered, as Boro rise and we fall. Boro in the PL and us back in League One within the next 18 months is possible, albeit not probable. Legacy? It's still being created and it isn't pretty.

In 36 years, I've had three managers who made an impression, but I fear Wilder's will be the most telling in the club's long term future.

 

[Davalon]

I'll only be happy when the Wilderettes fight the Wilder haters.

Mass brawl just off Little London Road.

For identification purposes, Wilder haters shirtless and Wilderettes bottomless.

 

[gordoncharles]

He'll do well at Boro, working with a loyal, rich and level headed chairman (fan too) and will be given time and money...

Let's see first, shall we? That's the interesting part about the experiment.

Middlesbrough should be perennial play-off challengers, at the very least.

I won't be putting any money on it myself, though.

 

[WigglyBlade]

I'd readily accept that older players have declined e.g. Sharp and McGoldrick. That's human nature. Norwood and Fleck were always bad at covering ground. That was the genius of the system: covering up their weaknesses with the position of the centre backs and the extra midfielder. Fleck has never had the skill set to hold yet we persist in using him there. Norwood spent large swathes of matches deeper than the wide centre backs which made it much more difficult to catch him in defensive transitions until Wilder's system broke down. Now if you want to play those two in an orthodox system (particularly in a two) you better have an unbelievable box to box mid next to them. We don't...yet we persist.
There's been unforced errors yes. The Championship is a desperately poor league this year. If we were bang average we'd be sat 3rd or 4th or something. All we'd have to have done is close games out better and score some of those sitters.

Fleck was always bad at covering ground?? Is that a serious comment? His performances might have dropped like a boulder in the last 12 months but for 4 years he was probably the best player in the squad at covering ground. I've lost count of how many last minute tackles or gut busting runs into the oppositions box he contributed between 2016-2020. He was all over the pitch.

The sad thing is how far he's fallen from those standards in just over a year

 

[nopigfansintown]

Fleck was always bad at covering ground?? Is that a serious comment? His performances might have dropped like a boulder in the last 12 months but for 4 years he was probably the best player in the squad at covering ground. I've lost count of how many last minute tackles or gut busting runs into the oppositions box he contributed between 2016-2020. He was all over the pitch.

The sad thing is how far he's fallen from those standards in just over a year

He was good at driving forward with the ball. He's never had (and never will have)the skill set to play the holding role in a two. Under Wilder much of his defensive work (and space) was covered by JOC and the extra midfielder.

 

[Cheesebored]

I'll only be happy when the Wilderettes fight the Wilder haters.

Mass brawl just off Little London Road.

For identification purposes, Wilder haters shirtless and Wilderettes bottomless.

Win, win. My manor and no one gets to see my man boobs.

 

[WigglyBlade]

He was good at driving forward with the ball. He's never had (and never will have)the skill set to play the holding role in a two. Under Wilde much of his defensive work (and space) was covered by JOC and the extra midfielder.

Totally agree that at the moment his defensive work is almost non existent but, in the past, think him and JOC complemented each other and the reason the system worked so well is they'd both be able to cover each other defensively when one went forward.

I'm just not sure we'll ever see that Flecky back.

 

[Cheesebored]

I guess we'll see the true extent of his ability at Boro. They're a mid-table team, maybe a sleeping giant based on their past premier league/cup success but I'm not so sure on that. Newcastle & Sunderland are the well supported teams up there.

I personally think he'll do well, until the owners dont back him then it will be world war 4 (ww3 being The Prince vs Wilder)

Why's the level of support relevant? He's had success at every club regardless of size.

 

[Bell4]

Christ, this forum is full of wankers.

can we PLEASE just now all move on .

 

[true99blade]

Jesus wept. Do some of you lot go a day without getting into a white hot rage over the bloke? It’s a really sad obsession.

 

[mancunianblade]

Hard to disagree with most of that

Are you an actual DJ called Bald Ken?

 

[JJ Sefton]

Foderingham
A figure of ridicule at almost every club he’s been at.

Lowe
Ushered out the door quicker than he came through it.

Stevens
A player who came up through the divisions as part of the journey. No longer up to it.

Egan
The only fit centre-half left from the Wilder era. A shadow of himself without O’Connell.

Robinson
Abysmal.

Bogle
A bog-standard Championship right-back who clearly isn’t up to it this season.

Baldock
Again, part of the journey. But just loves to complicate everything he does and a headless chicken in the opposition half.

O’Connell
Played through injury - one which could possibly end his career. No sign of being close to a return.

Basham
The only one who can still hold his head high. But without time on his side.

Osborn
Jack of all trades. Master of none.

Norwood
The most ‘confidence player’ I’ve ever seen. Awful without it. Lacks a midfield presence EVERY midfielder should have.

Fleck
Absolutely no idea what’s happened to him but he’s dog shit.

Freeman
What an outstanding £4m capture that was.

Berge
A £20m superstar who can’t stay fit but is a really nice lad, apparently.

Brewster
A £20m striker who couldn’t score in a brothel.

McBurnie
A £20m striker who looks like he won a competition.

Mousset
A £10m striker who can’t get close to 10 games without injury.

McGoldrick
A star of the journey who Wilder got the best out of. Even at his best he was turd in front of goal. Now looks like the player Ipswich released but 5 years older.

Burke
Looks like he lost a competition and turned up anyway.

Sharp
A club legend who, like Basham, can hold his head high and still offerBut can’t be far off retiring.

That’s some legacy, Chrissy.

Brutal, but hard to disagree. Our squad is largely made up of players who were crap until Wilder got hold of them who are crap again (McG, Stevens, Baldock, Fleck) and big money players who haven’t delivered (McB, Berge, Brewster). Add in some pure dross (Burke and Robinson), and the surgery required is massive.

 

[JJ Sefton]

Are you an actual DJ called Bald Ken?

He’s a bald guy called Ken who is a DJ.

 

[mancunianblade]

He’s a bald guy called Ken who is a DJ.

Well that opens a can of worms because his name should be DJ Ken who just so happens to be Bald.